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Xos, Inc. — Call Transcript 2026
May 14, 2026
Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to send the conference over to David Zlotchew, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Thank you everyone for joining us today. Hosting the call with me are Xos' Chief Executive Officer, Dakota Semler, Xos' Chief Operating Officer, Giordano Sordoni, and Xos' Chief Financial Officer, Liana Pogosyan. Today, after the close of regular trading, Xos issued its first quarter 2026 earnings press release. As you listen to today's conference call, we encourage you to have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as commentary on the quarter ended March 31, 2026. Management's statements today reflect management's views as of today, May 14, 2026 only, and will include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our fiscal year 2026, management's expectations for future financial and operational performance, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects, and expectations. These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. Additional information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially, including but not limited to Xos' ability to access capital when needed and continue as a going concern, Xos' ability to implement business plans and identify and realize opportunities, potential supply chain disruptions and/or economic downturns as a result of trade policies and tariffs or war in Ukraine, and shortages of access to oil, energy, or other key industrial inputs is included in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent filings. We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law. You should not put undue reliance in forward-looking statements. Further, today's presentation includes references to non-GAAP financial measures and performance metrics. Additional information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures, is included in the press release we issued today. Our press release and SEC filings are available on the investor relations section of our website at www.xostrucks.com/investor-overview. With that, I'll now turn it over to our CEO, Dakota. Thanks, David, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call. Q1 2026 was by many measures the strongest opening to a year in Xos' history and a clear signal of what this business is becoming. For a long time, we've described Xos as a commercial electric truck manufacturer. That description has become too narrow. Xos today is broader than that. We build trucks, we manufacture and operate mobile energy infrastructure with the Xos Hub, and we power vehicles for other OEMs through our Powered by Xos powertrain business. In Q1, two of those three product lines drove the majority of our deliveries, and the result was a quarter that looked different and performed differently than any we have reported before. We delivered 95 units in the quarter, including 63 powertrain systems for Blue Bird, 10 stripped chassis supporting our partnership with UPS, alongside record volumes of Hub units shipped to customers across our commercial and municipal pipeline. Revenue came in at $11.2 million, nearly double the same quarter last year. Most importantly, gross margins reached the highest level in Xos' history. Liana will walk you through the financial picture in detail. The headline I want to give you is this. This is what the business looks like when execution, mix, and discipline come together. Several things drove the margin performance in the quarter, and a few of them are worth calling out from a strategic standpoint. First is mix. The quarter shifted heavily towards Hub deliveries and powertrain sales. These are higher margin product categories than our truck business has historically been, and they're tied to the secular demand drivers, power, infrastructure, and electrification. As we continue to diversify away from being a single product company and into a broader power and infrastructure-driven business, we anticipate maintaining a higher overall margin profile across our product portfolio. Second is cost discipline. We've continued to rein in costs in every product we sell, and the structural improvements we've made over the last two years are now compounding. I want to be measured here. We do not expect margins to hold at this level quarter after quarter. Mix will move around. Some quarters will be heavier on trucks, some heavier on Hubs and powertrains. On a full year basis, we expect 2026 gross margins to be meaningfully better than 2025, and the structural drivers behind that improvement are durable. Cash management remained a high priority focus across the company in Q1. We delivered a substantial number of units while continuing to bring inventory down and managing collections with the same discipline we have applied for several quarters. That work, combined with the mix shift, is what allows us to scale this business without scaling our cash needs. Let me turn to the Hub, because it was the story of the quarter. We've made the decision to invest more aggressively in Hub production capacity and Hub engineering, and we believe you will see that show up in our results over the coming quarters. We have new iterations of the Hub in development that meaningfully expand the product's capabilities, and we'll be sharing more on that roadmap over the next quarter or two. Customer demand has been strong enough that we are leaning into this product, not waiting on it. Subsequent to quarter end, we've continued delivering hubs to a number of new customers, including a Q2 deployment with MacAllister Caterpillar. That hub will be deployed on a large data center construction project for a hyperscaler customer. Exactly the kind of application we built the hub for. Power-constrained sites, fast deployment, no permitting overhead, and customers who need uptime more than they need theory. We're also preparing to begin shipping hubs to Europe later this year and are actively standing up the service partnerships needed to meet customer SLAs as we expand internationally. I want to spend a moment on the demand environment because the noise in the regulatory landscape sometimes obscures what is happening on the ground. The federal climate has shifted. The EPA's removal of California's CARB waiver and its challenge to the Endangerment Finding have softened the regulatory tailwinds that supported zero-emissions adoption over the past few years. We have not been counting on these tailwinds. What we are seeing instead is a renewal of interest driven by economics. The fuel and energy crisis has reset how fleets think about total cost of ownership. Diesel in California is averaging roughly $7.50/gal as of this week, and the average price of regular gasoline in California is now above $6/gal. Meanwhile, our heavy-duty hub and vehicle customers in California are paying between $0.15 and $0.35/kWh for electricity. A heavy-duty electric vehicle uses about 1.75 kWh/mi. A medium-duty vehicle uses about 1 kWh/mi. The math becomes very straightforward. In heavy-duty applications, fleets are seeing per mile fuel cost savings of more than 60%. Those savings are real, they are robust, and they are what is driving renewed conversations across our pipeline, regardless of where federal policy lands. A related proof point in the quarter, we delivered our first units to customers redeeming CORE vouchers, the California Off-Road Equipment program that incentivizes the use of zero-emissions off-highway equipment, including hubs. We applied for the program last year, were awarded a number of allocations, and Q1 2026 marked the start of those deliveries. CORE opens up a meaningful new vertical for the hub, and we're seeing that vertical begin to hold momentum. The other significant shift this quarter, one that I want investors to internalize, is municipal and federal traction. Historically, Xos has been a private fleet business. The launch and growth of the hub has changed that. Today, we are working with a growing set of municipal, state, and federal customers, and the product mix is a natural fit for their needs. Earlier this month, we announced that Xos was selected as one of only 17 finalists in the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command Commercial Capabilities Showcase, where we are demonstrating the hub this week as a mobile deployable charging and power solution for the Air Force. In April, we participated in the ACT Expo in Las Vegas, where we engaged with powertrain customers, truck fleet customers, and a meaningful number of municipal accounts. In mid-April, we participated in TEVCON in San Diego, a defense-focused conference aligned with the Office of the Secretary of War, U.S. Army FUZE, the Defense Innovation Unit, and other defense and energy agencies focused on accelerating procurement for the modern battlefield. The last point deserves a comment. One of the most significant operational shifts inside today's military is the electrification of the battlefield. This is not just about vehicles. It's about unmanned aerial systems, counter-UAS systems for drone tracking and mitigation, distributed computing at the forward operating bases, expanded telecommunications, and the broader load growth that all of that creates. Reliable, quiet, deployable power generation and storage are becoming as critical as the systems they support. The Hub is built exactly for that environment. As a reminder, the Xos Hub is already on the GSA schedule through our FedHarmony partnership, which provides federal agencies with a streamlined procurement pathway. Between the AFGSC Showcase, TEVCON, ACT Expo, and a ride and drive we conducted in San Diego with CALSTART, the demand signal coming out of the public sector is the strongest we have ever seen. Stepping back, Q1 was a strong start to the year, but more importantly, it was a clear data point on where the business is going. We are diversifying away from being a single product company and into a broader commercial vehicle and power infrastructure manufacturer. The mix, the margins, and the customer set all moved in the right direction this quarter. We do not expect every quarter to look like Q1, but we do expect the trajectory to continue. With that, I'll turn it over to Gio to walk through the operational highlights of the quarter. Thank you, Dakota, and good afternoon, everyone. Over the course of the first quarter, our teams continued to execute across all three of our core product lines, delivering trucks, mobile charging hubs, and powertrain systems to customers while maintaining a strong focus on operational efficiency and disciplined cost management. The work we've done over the past several quarters to streamline operations, improve manufacturing execution, and optimize our supply chain showed up clearly in our results this quarter as we achieved the highest GAAP gross margins in the company's history. Just as importantly, we remain focused on continuing to find ways to engineer, source, and build our products more efficiently as we scale. Within engineering, the team continues to make strong progress on the next generation of our hub platform. This new version is being designed to expand the hub's opportunity set and broaden the range of customer segments and applications that we can address. We believe this evolution of the product will further strengthen the flexibility and competitiveness of our charging solutions, and we look forward to share more details in the future. In parallel, the engineering team also spent significant time during the quarter supporting the testing, validation, and certification of several new products and product configurations as we continue to expand our platform capabilities. On the supply chain side, our team remains highly engaged in managing sourcing strategy with an evolving tariff environment. We continue to work closely with our supplier base to identify opportunities for cost reduction, improve resiliency, and localize portions of the supply chain where it makes operational and economic sense. Our focus remains on maintaining flexibility while driving continued improvements in product costs and supply stability. In manufacturing, the investments we made to expand the hub and powertrain production areas at our Byrdstown, Tennessee facility supported efficient production as volumes increased during the quarter. The production team also successfully launched a new higher capacity hub configuration with our standard hub platform now increasing from 280 kWh to 420 kWh. This expanded capability allows us to better serve a broader set of fleet and infrastructure applications. We also continue to benefit from the flexibility of our production organization. Most technicians within the plant are trained to work across multiple product lines, allowing us to operate efficiently with a lean team while dynamically adjusting production mix across trucks, hubs, and powertrain systems as customer demand evolves. That flexibility continues to be an important operational advantage for us as we scale the business thoughtfully and efficiently. With those updates, I'll turn the call over to Liana for an in-depth look at our financial performance. Thank you. For Q1 2026, our revenue was $11.2 million on 95 units, up from $5.9 million on 29 units in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $5.2 million on 34 units in Q4 2025. This substantial increase in unit deliveries and total revenue is driven by our sales efforts and strategic shift to focus on powertrain and hub units. Revenue growth during the quarter was impacted by the lower average selling price associated with higher mix of powertrain unit sales. This quarter, we achieved our highest GAAP gross margin in the company's history with a profit of $4.3 million or 38.6% compared to $1.2 million or 20.6% in Q1 2025, up sequentially from a loss of $2.6 million or -50.5% in Q4 2025. This was driven by our continued cost discipline, savings achieved through optimized inventory management and sourcing strategies, and favorable margin impact from our evolving commercialization strategy, including a greater mix of higher margin hub and powertrain unit deliveries during the quarter. As a reminder, GAAP gross margin last quarter was significantly impacted by discrete items, including additional inventory reserves and write-offs, due to a shift in the commercialization strategy and warranty reserve updates. Non-GAAP gross profit during the quarter was approximately $4.2 million or 37.8% compared to $0.9 million or 15% in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $0.3 million or 5.2% in the prior quarter. This quarter marks our 11th consecutive quarter of positive non-GAAP gross margin performance, reflecting our operational refinements and the sustained momentum driving our path towards profitability. Turning to expenses, our Q1 2026 operating expenses were $9 million compared to $10.5 million in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $7.1 million in the prior quarter. The 14% drop from Q1 2025 reflects the impact of our strong operational discipline in managing our costs while continuing to invest in our multiple product offerings. As a reminder, Q4 2025 expenses benefited from $1.7 million of non-recurring favorable adjustments related to the settlement of finance equipment leases and certain vendor payables. We delivered the lowest quarterly operating loss since going public, with operating loss improving to $4.7 million compared to $9.3 million in Q1 2025 and $9.7 million in Q4 2025. Non-GAAP operating loss for the quarter was $2.6 million, also our lowest since going public compared to $8.1 million in Q1 2025 and $4.6 million last quarter, reflecting continuing momentum towards profitability driven by improved operating efficiency and cost discipline. Our quarterly EBITDA loss was cut by more than half, improving to a loss of $4.1 million from a loss of $8.8 million in Q1 2025 and from a loss of $8.5 million in Q4 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $2 million this quarter, representing an improvement of over 70% compared to both Q1 2025 and Q4 2025. Turning to the balance sheet, we closed Q1 2026 with cash and cash equivalents totaling $9.8 million. Operating cash flow less CapEx, or free cash flow, was -$1.6 million this quarter, reflecting a significant year-over-year reduction in cash usage compared to -$4.8 million in Q1 2025. Sequentially, free cash flow declined from positive $2.4 million in Q4 2025, primarily due to higher accounts receivable balances from customer deliveries late in the quarter, as well as the timing of payments related to accounts payable and other accrued liabilities. Inventory declined to $23.7 million at the end of Q1 2026 from $25 million at the end of Q4 2025 and $38 million at the end of Q1 2025, reflecting continued progress from our inventory management initiatives and broader operational discipline. On May 8th, 2026, we amended the convertible note with our long-term investor, Aljomaih Automotive Company, reducing the conversion price from $71.451-$12 per share and adding a mandatory conversion feature that allows us to require conversion if our stock trades above $15 per share for 20 out of 30 consecutive trading days. Importantly, the amendment had no impact on our financial statements. More broadly, our results reflect structural improvements across sourcing, inventory management, and cost control, not one-time actions. As we look ahead, we remain focused on sustaining this momentum and scaling efficiently. We opened the year with a continued focus on active liquidity management, disciplined capital allocation, and continued improvement in accounts receivable collection, alongside our structural cost improvements and record-breaking gross margins. Over the past several quarters, we have made meaningful progress strengthening collections from customers and organizations administering state grant programs, collecting $9.8 million during the quarter, following $14 million in Q4 2025 and $18.7 million in Q3 2025. This continued discipline remains a key pillar in our path toward building a more self-sustaining business with a stronger foundation for long-term stability. Turning to our outlook, we are reaffirming our full year 2026 guidance of revenue to fall within the range of $40 million-$50 million, unit deliveries to be within the range of 350 to 500 units, and non-GAAP operating loss to be in the range of $11.9 million-$13.3 million. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Dakota. Thank you, Liana. As we close out Q1 and look at the rest of 2026, the picture is becoming clearer. The three pillars guiding us, growth, liquidity, and margins, are no longer just an aspiration. They're showing up in the results. We delivered our highest ever gross margin quarter, our lowest operating loss since going public, and meaningful progress on liquidity, all while shifting the product mix towards the higher margin secular categories that define the next chapter of this company. The work we have done over the past two years to reduce cost, simplify operations, and bring discipline to every part of the business is now compounding. The demand environment, despite all of the regulatory noise, is moving in our direction. Customers are choosing Xos because the economics work, the products work, and the team behind them shows up. We do not take any of this for granted. The road ahead has its own set of challenges, tariffs, regulatory shifts, capital markets, and we will continue to navigate them with the same discipline that brought us here. Our confidence is only growing. We're building Xos to be a resilient, broadly capable commercial electric vehicle and power infrastructure company, and Q1 was another proof point that the work is gaining traction. With that, I'll hand it back over to the operator for questions. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. Please go ahead. Thanks very much, Dakota, Gio, Liana. Congratulations on all the progress you made. I mean, it's impressive everything you've done in the last, you know, year or two, and, you know, you really showed it up in this quarter. Liana, also, I wanna thank you for, the timely release of the Q. I saw it came out while the call started, and, it'll certainly help with me getting things turned around. I appreciate that as well. Yeah. Thank you. My first question, just kinda jumping in, you know, the queue came, I haven't gone through and looked at it, but you commented, Dakota, that you had 63 powertrains, 10 strip chassis. By inference, would I does that mean that you had 22 hubs go out the door during the first quarter? Yeah, approximately 22. I should be adding this up in my head as we speak, but it was around that many. Well, I mean, that's very impressive. Secondly, is kinda taking that and spinning it forward. You know, you've got a pretty wide spread in terms of the unit guidance. You know, given the, I mean, the strength you're seeing in hub and powertrains, how would we think about the mix of your shipments, you know, for the remainder of the year? You know, and recognizing that you're seeing, you know, some renewed engagement, you know, outside of your typical I mean, outside of those channels because of the fuel costs and such. Yeah. It's early to tell what the mix looks like for the rest of the year. The one thing I think we can reiterate is that with the various products, the hubs generally tend to have a higher ASP and higher margin profile, and the powertrains tend to have a lower ASP and a lower margin profile. The wide range of unit volumes is actually because we still are waiting on some of our pipeline to be firmed up for the second half of the year. With some of those lower ASP powertrain units, we still might have higher volumes, but the revenue contribution from them isn't as high as the hub. That's kind of what you're seeing in that broad range of unit guidance. When you think about I mean, let's step away from 26. I mean, you know, the hub is, it's just a fabulous product, and it meets so many different needs. Would you see the hub, you know, over, you know, say the next two, three, I don't know, five years, whatever timeframe you wanna put forward, being, you know, more of a primary driver of growth for Xos vis-a-vis, you know, kinda your other products or? If this quarter and the demand that we're seeing in our current pipeline is any indication, then your the answer to your question is absolutely. There's a tremendous amount of interest. The demand is not coming just from the existing vehicle fleets that we work with. It's coming from an entirely new segment of customers that we haven't serviced before. The DC charger hub that we've been delivering and shipping to customers. Entirely new set of customers. We've got several new variations that we're really excited to talk about, in another quarter or two, which will expand that market even further, and it's gonna really address some of the major challenges that we're experiencing in the U.S. right now, which are grid resiliency, power reliability and getting power based upon all of the demands that are coming from so many different industries, including, you know, data centers. We expect that to continue to be the primary growth engine and growth driver. But we obviously still have a lot of work to do in terms of getting that pipeline established and getting the product out there in front of customers to be completely aware of it. Okay. I mean, it's exciting. I actually have more questions. I wanna be polite. I'm gonna step out. I'll get back in queue if there aren't anyone else. You know, either to get in after other people ask questions or I just wanna make sure that I don't get disconnected. I have more questions in case no one else has any. I'm gonna step out of line to make sure there other people can ask them. Thanks. Thanks, Ted. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question comes from Craig Irwin of Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. It's Andrew on for Craig. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong results. First wanna touch on the real impressive gross margins here. I understand how mix can have an impact in the quarter. You touched on that earlier in the prepared remarks, but can you just kinda talk about the, you know, the structural cost changes you've made to allow you to set you up to post a quarter with gross margins this strong? Hi, Andrew. Thanks for the question. Just couple of things. You know, in addition to, you know, as Dakota and I mentioned in our remarks with the mix of the products being more favorable, but that was also as a result of the last several quarters' various initiatives we've made to reduce our overall direct material and overhead and direct labor costs that are directly contributing to our gross margins. Additionally, over the past several quarters, we've also significantly improved our inventory management processes, which have reduced other GAAP reserves. All in all of those factors contributed to the impressive gross margin results this quarter. Great. Appreciate the detail there. Just piggybacking off the questions on the Xos Hub, you guys, you know, now have over 1 GWh of energy charged across your units. Can you guys just kind of talk about what you've learned from the early deployments that have helped you know, develop these different variants and as you've prepared to launch these products, you know, and reaching out to different end markets? Yeah, absolutely. We've had some very demanding initial customers with this product, including some autonomous vehicle companies that have charged, you know, almost up to 100 vehicles per day on a single Hub unit. We've had Hubs that have charged nearly 2 MWh in a 24-hour period. They're really being put through their paces, and this is in extreme cold weather environments, extreme heat, you know, in Phoenix in the middle of summer. We've had several other partners and one major OEM, off-highway OEM, test the product at their proving ground here in the U.S. and put it through its paces for off-highway use too. There's been a tremendous amount of learning that came from that. I think the product actually probably performed even better than we had anticipated or expected. That's not to say that there aren't, you know, preventative maintenance items and wear and tear items like charge cables and trailer components that we don't intend to repair in the field or, you know, don't have parts to repair as our customers continue to use them aggressively. Overall, the core architecture of the system, the energy storage system, the DC fast chargers, the AC power conversion, the software and controls have performed incredibly well. I think now we've tested on over 50 different vehicles interoperability, so that ranges everything from a small Chevrolet Bolt all the way up to a fully electric Caterpillar front loader, and pretty much every type of vehicle in between. We're getting a wide range of different use cases, and that's contributed to future iterations that we're working on and developing and we'll be able to bring to market pretty soon. I'll let Gio add some additional context too. Yeah. The other thing I would say is that these mobile charging units and our energy platforms benefit from the years and years and hundreds and of vehicles that we have on the road with very similar systems. The architecture of the hub does share some power electronics software and some battery DNA with our trucks, which were designed for on-road use. The mobile charging hubs are designed with that same team that has extensive on-road vehicle experience as well. From a durability perspective, this is not just a stationary battery and a stationary charger slapped onto a trailer. This was a product that was very intentionally designed for this use case from the ground up, and that's why we're seeing it performing so well in so many different applications. Great. Really appreciate the color. Last from me, congrats on, you said a triple, delivery of powertrains to Blue Bird versus last year. Can you just kind of talk about how you see how the relationship has really evolved, you know, in the past? Maybe talk to ways you might be able to deepen the relationship with Blue Bird. May it be, like, additional product lines or other vehicle configurations. Absolutely. We've been very fortunate to have built a great partnership with Blue Bird. They're an incredible organization from their engineering team to their sourcing and supply chain team, all the way up to their leadership team. They're very disciplined in their execution and approach. That's the reason they've been around for over 100 years. They're also, I think it's important to call out, they're the leader in alternative fuel powertrains, delivering more propane and more alt-fuel, you know, electric buses than any other bus manufacturer in the U.S. For them to evaluate and select Xos as a part of their electric powertrains is a pretty big accomplishment for us, and I think a pretty big testament to our engineering team. We're excited. The first buses we've delivered last year are on the road working customer fleets. We're delivering that next batch pretty soon. I think one of the things that's critically important for these customers is to see the reliability. When they're performing in the field, and they're going out day after day, not having maintenance issues, not having service issues, that gives Blue Bird the confidence to be able to continue to grow this partnership with us. I think the other thing, Gio pointed out with the hub, is that our years of selling, you know, thousands of electric vehicles to our customers and other powertrain customers has built a tremendous amount of supply chain synergies in. A lot of those cost savings that accrue to our bottom line on truck sales and vehicle sales and Xos Hub sales now are benefiting our powertrain customers as we're buying in some of those larger volumes and have historical supply chain relationships with suppliers that have products that support the step van and our Powered by Xos division. We're very privileged and feel fortunate to have that opportunity, and I do anticipate that that opportunity will continue to grow over time. We're working right now on expanding that pipeline beyond just them and other off-highway OEM customers that we have, but also into other on-highway operators and OEMs that could potentially use our powertrain and don't have their own powertrain technology in-house. Great. Really appreciate the detail, and, congrats on the continued progress. Thank you. Our next question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. Please go ahead. Thanks. Dakota, my next question was on the MacAllister Caterpillar relationship. I wanted you to kind of walk through a little bit. I was taking notes, but I don't think I got it all down straight. Like exactly how the hub is being deployed. You said it was a data center hyperscaler. Are there more opportunities behind that? Is it being sold as a Caterpillar product, or is it going as an Xos product? When I say, let me step back. When I say more opportunities, you know, I mean, I would think there'd be two, and one would be maybe other opportunities with MacAllister Caterpillar. You know, I mean, all those guys know each other. You know, most people when they see, you know, someone With having success with the product, they'll start selling it too. If you see that as an opportunity to provide a lead into other Caterpillar distributors. Yeah. That's my first round of questions. Thanks. I got another one. Absolutely. The product is going to support some of their electric construction equipment that they're deploying at one of these big data center sites. It's all zero emissions equipment that they're gonna be charging with it. You know, when you start to look at these hyperscalers, they are concerned about their environmental footprint and the impact they're having on not just power generation, but also the construction of building all of these sites. They're deploying some zero emissions equipment, and the hub is what's being used to charge that equipment. I think the opportunity exists beyond just MacAllister. There's several Caterpillar dealerships that have been investors in Xos since we were a private company, and we've been reigniting several of those relationships, and evaluating multiple opportunities right now, specifically addressed at the data center segment, and short-term and temporary power for data center ramp-up and construction, but also long-term buffering. You know, we touched on it briefly, but right now the demands on the grid are beyond anything we have ever seen before. The demand for reliable grid utility scale power, can be years out from traditional IOUs or municipal utilities. What you see happening is a lot of behind the meter installations with gas turbines, with reciprocating generators, and more conventional power generation, and small scale power generation solutions. Some of the announcements we've got coming out are gonna be addressed specifically at that market opportunity that we believe will continue to grow at least for the next five years, but probably well beyond that. There's an immense opportunity that exists there that is currently pretty underserved. When you look at even doing behind the meter installations for something like a gas turbine plant, your lead times on equipment for a gas turbine plant is probably in the five-seven year range right now, depending if you're working with GE or Solar or other suppliers. Some of the quickest solutions to market are reciprocating generators, and those need battery energy storage systems to be able to manage these loads and not damage the equipment that they're powering. There really is an immense opportunity that we're focused on attacking right now, and we think the Hub is incredibly well-positioned with the existing architecture that we've developed. It's not really a lot of new technology we have to develop. It's an opportunity that leverages our core power electronics into a much, much bigger market. Sounds exciting. My next and kind of like last topic and question which ties into this is, you know, you're, you're seeing great uptake with the hub. You're seeing, you know, solid growth with the powertrains. I mean, there's a chance that, you know, we could see, you know, what's the word I'd be looking for? Like, you know, like, you know, renewed interest with regards to, you know, kind of the strip chassis in and of themselves. The company has, you know, hardly put any CapEx down in the last couple of years. You know, at what point, if the Like, for instance, the opportunity with the hub, which, you know, to me seems, you know, just tremendous and right in front of you. If it really takes off, at what point do you need to spend to handle that? Like, how much capacity do you have to be able to produce? Is there, you know, spend that has to happen to, you know, to fully utilize the capacity that you have? You know, do you see anyone with all this? You know, kind of as things ramp, I mean, we'll stop at that right now. That'd be my next one. I wanted to kind of get into, like, how it all tie back to where you start generating some free cash flow, which you've proven you can do also. Yeah, it's a fair question. You know, really the nice thing about all of our product segments is they are utilizing the core components and technology, the same core components and technology across all of those business units. When we pivot to a new vertical or a new segment with a new product like the hub, we're really leveraging a lot of the same supply chain, a lot of the same assembly tools. That's not to say that we can't improve the line efficiency and build, you know, better, more capacity with our existing line configuration. I do think there's gonna be some nominal CapEx, but low hundreds of thousands of dollars to low single-digit millions of dollars. The reality is because we're using so much of that same architecture, we're not having to invest in novel manufacturing CapEx or tooling or, you know, lift systems or facilities to support the ramp-up of that product. Obviously, there is an upper limit, but we've demonstrated in previous quarters our run rate for vehicles can get up to 150 units per month. We could easily parlay that working staff and the team that works on the truck line and a lot of the tooling that's utilized for the truck line to be able to build Hubs at that same run rate. We think there's a pretty significant opportunity just with the existing infrastructure and equipment and CapEx investments that we've already made to date. Okay. I think actually that does answer everything for me because obviously, if you don't need to make those kind of significant investments to grow and you can get, you know, you have that kind of demand to drive up there, the, kind of the cash generation will take care of itself. Okay. Thanks very much. Thanks so much, Ted. This concludes today's conference call and the Q&A session. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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Speaker 3: Thank you everyone for joining us today. Hosting the call with me are Xos' Chief Executive Officer, Dakota Semler, Xos' Chief Operating Officer, Giordano Sordoni, and Xos' Chief Financial Officer, Liana Pogosyan. Today, after the close of regular trading, Xos issued its first quarter 2026 earnings press release. As you listen to today's conference call, we encourage you to have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as commentary on the quarter ended March 31, 2026. Management's statements today reflect management's views as of today, May 14, 2026 only, and will include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our fiscal year 2026, management's expectations for future financial and operational performance, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects, and expectations. Thank you everyone for joining us today. thank you everyone for joining us today Hosting the call with me are Xos' Chief Executive Officer, Dakota Semler, Xos' Chief Operating Officer, Giordano Sordoni, and Xos' Chief Financial Officer, Liana Pogosyan. hosting the call with me are xos' chief executive officer dakota semler xos' chief operating officer giordano sordoni and xos' chief financial officer liana pogosyan Today, after the close of regular trading, Xos issued its first quarter 2026 earnings press release. today after the close of regular trading xos issued its first quarter 2026 earnings press release As you listen to today's conference call, we encourage you to have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as commentary on the quarter ended March 31, 2026. as you listen to today's conference call we encourage you to have our press release in front of you which includes our financial results as well as commentary on the quarter ended march 31 2026 Management's statements today reflect management's views as of today, May 14, 2026 only, and will include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our fiscal year 2026, management's expectations for future financial and operational performance, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects, and expectations. management's statements today reflect management's views as of today may 14 2026 only and will include forward-looking statements including statements regarding our fiscal year 2026 management's expectations for future financial and operational performance and other statements regarding our plans prospects and expectations These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. Additional information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially, including but not limited to Xos' ability to access capital when needed and continue as a going concern, Xos' ability to implement business plans and identify and realize opportunities, potential supply chain disruptions and/or economic downturns as a result of trade policies and tariffs or war in Ukraine, and shortages of access to oil, energy, or other key industrial inputs is included in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent filings. We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law. You should not put undue reliance in forward-looking statements. These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. these statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause them to differ materially from actual results Additional information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially, including but not limited to Xos' ability to access capital when needed and continue as a going concern, Xos' ability to implement business plans and identify and realize opportunities, potential supply chain disruptions and/or economic downturns as a result of trade policies and tariffs or war in Ukraine, and shortages of access to oil, energy, or other key industrial inputs is included in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent filings. additional information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially including but not limited to xos' ability to access capital when needed and continue as a going concern xos' ability to implement business plans and identify and realize opportunities potential supply chain disruptions and/or economic downturns as a result of trade policies and tariffs or war in ukraine and shortages of access to oil energy or other key industrial inputs is included in today's press release and in our filings with the sec including our most recently filed annual report on form 10-k and subsequent filings We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law. we undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law You should not put undue reliance in forward-looking statements. you should not put undue reliance in forward-looking statements Further, today's presentation includes references to non-GAAP financial measures and performance metrics. Additional information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures, is included in the press release we issued today. Our press release and SEC filings are available on the investor relations section of our website at www.xostrucks.com/investor-overview. With that, I'll now turn it over to our CEO, Dakota. Further, today's presentation includes references to non-GAAP financial measures and performance metrics. further today's presentation includes references to non-gaap financial measures and performance metrics Additional information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures, is included in the press release we issued today. additional information about these non-gaap measures including reconciliations of historical non-gaap measures to the comparable gaap measures is included in the press release we issued today Our press release and SEC filings are available on the investor relations section of our website at www.xostrucks.com/investor-overview. our press release and sec filings are available on the investor relations section of our website at www.xostrucks.com/investor-overview With that, I'll now turn it over to our CEO, Dakota. with that i'll now turn it over to our ceo dakota
Speaker 2: Thanks, David, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call. Q1 2026 was by many measures the strongest opening to a year in Xos' history and a clear signal of what this business is becoming. For a long time, we've described Xos as a commercial electric truck manufacturer. That description has become too narrow. Xos today is broader than that. We build trucks, we manufacture and operate mobile energy infrastructure with the Xos Hub, and we power vehicles for other OEMs through our Powered by Xos powertrain business. In Q1, two of those three product lines drove the majority of our deliveries, and the result was a quarter that looked different and performed differently than any we have reported before. Thanks, David, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call. thanks david and thank you everyone for joining us on the call Q1 2026 was by many measures the strongest opening to a year in Xos' history and a clear signal of what this business is becoming. q1 2026 was by many measures the strongest opening to a year in xos' history and a clear signal of what this business is becoming For a long time, we've described Xos as a commercial electric truck manufacturer. for a long time we've described xos as a commercial electric truck manufacturer That description has become too narrow. that description has become too narrow Xos today is broader than that. xos today is broader than that We build trucks, we manufacture and operate mobile energy infrastructure with the Xos Hub, and we power vehicles for other OEMs through our Powered by Xos powertrain business. we build trucks we manufacture and operate mobile energy infrastructure with the xos hub and we power vehicles for other oems through our powered by xos powertrain business In Q1, two of those three product lines drove the majority of our deliveries, and the result was a quarter that looked different and performed differently than any we have reported before. in q1 two of those three product lines drove the majority of our deliveries and the result was a quarter that looked different and performed differently than any we have reported before We delivered 95 units in the quarter, including 63 powertrain systems for Blue Bird, 10 stripped chassis supporting our partnership with UPS, alongside record volumes of Hub units shipped to customers across our commercial and municipal pipeline. Revenue came in at $11.2 million, nearly double the same quarter last year. Most importantly, gross margins reached the highest level in Xos' history. Liana will walk you through the financial picture in detail. The headline I want to give you is this. This is what the business looks like when execution, mix, and discipline come together. Several things drove the margin performance in the quarter, and a few of them are worth calling out from a strategic standpoint. First is mix. The quarter shifted heavily towards Hub deliveries and powertrain sales. We delivered 95 units in the quarter, including 63 powertrain systems for Blue Bird, 10 stripped chassis supporting our partnership with UPS, alongside record volumes of Hub units shipped to customers across our commercial and municipal pipeline. we delivered 95 units in the quarter including 63 powertrain systems for blue bird 10 stripped chassis supporting our partnership with ups alongside record volumes of hub units shipped to customers across our commercial and municipal pipeline Revenue came in at $11.2 million, nearly double the same quarter last year. revenue came in at $11.2 million nearly double the same quarter last year Most importantly, gross margins reached the highest level in Xos' history. most importantly gross margins reached the highest level in xos' history Liana will walk you through the financial picture in detail. liana will walk you through the financial picture in detail The headline I want to give you is this. the headline i want to give you is this This is what the business looks like when execution, mix, and discipline come together. this is what the business looks like when execution mix and discipline come together Several things drove the margin performance in the quarter, and a few of them are worth calling out from a strategic standpoint. several things drove the margin performance in the quarter and a few of them are worth calling out from a strategic standpoint First is mix. first is mix The quarter shifted heavily towards Hub deliveries and powertrain sales. the quarter shifted heavily towards hub deliveries and powertrain sales These are higher margin product categories than our truck business has historically been, and they're tied to the secular demand drivers, power, infrastructure, and electrification. As we continue to diversify away from being a single product company and into a broader power and infrastructure-driven business, we anticipate maintaining a higher overall margin profile across our product portfolio. Second is cost discipline. We've continued to rein in costs in every product we sell, and the structural improvements we've made over the last two years are now compounding. I want to be measured here. We do not expect margins to hold at this level quarter after quarter. Mix will move around. Some quarters will be heavier on trucks, some heavier on Hubs and powertrains. On a full year basis, we expect 2026 gross margins to be meaningfully better than 2025, and the structural drivers behind that improvement are durable. These are higher margin product categories than our truck business has historically been, and they're tied to the secular demand drivers, power, infrastructure, and electrification. these are higher margin product categories than our truck business has historically been and they're tied to the secular demand drivers power infrastructure and electrification As we continue to diversify away from being a single product company and into a broader power and infrastructure-driven business, we anticipate maintaining a higher overall margin profile across our product portfolio. as we continue to diversify away from being a single product company and into a broader power and infrastructure-driven business we anticipate maintaining a higher overall margin profile across our product portfolio Second is cost discipline. second is cost discipline We've continued to rein in costs in every product we sell, and the structural improvements we've made over the last two years are now compounding. we've continued to rein in costs in every product we sell and the structural improvements we've made over the last two years are now compounding I want to be measured here. i want to be measured here We do not expect margins to hold at this level quarter after quarter. we do not expect margins to hold at this level quarter after quarter Mix will move around. mix will move around Some quarters will be heavier on trucks, some heavier on Hubs and powertrains. some quarters will be heavier on trucks some heavier on hubs and powertrains On a full year basis, we expect 2026 gross margins to be meaningfully better than 2025, and the structural drivers behind that improvement are durable. on a full year basis we expect 2026 gross margins to be meaningfully better than 2025 and the structural drivers behind that improvement are durable Cash management remained a high priority focus across the company in Q1. We delivered a substantial number of units while continuing to bring inventory down and managing collections with the same discipline we have applied for several quarters. That work, combined with the mix shift, is what allows us to scale this business without scaling our cash needs. Let me turn to the Hub, because it was the story of the quarter. We've made the decision to invest more aggressively in Hub production capacity and Hub engineering, and we believe you will see that show up in our results over the coming quarters. We have new iterations of the Hub in development that meaningfully expand the product's capabilities, and we'll be sharing more on that roadmap over the next quarter or two. Customer demand has been strong enough that we are leaning into this product, not waiting on it. Cash management remained a high priority focus across the company in Q1. cash management remained a high priority focus across the company in q1 We delivered a substantial number of units while continuing to bring inventory down and managing collections with the same discipline we have applied for several quarters. we delivered a substantial number of units while continuing to bring inventory down and managing collections with the same discipline we have applied for several quarters That work, combined with the mix shift, is what allows us to scale this business without scaling our cash needs. that work combined with the mix shift is what allows us to scale this business without scaling our cash needs Let me turn to the Hub, because it was the story of the quarter. let me turn to the hub because it was the story of the quarter We've made the decision to invest more aggressively in Hub production capacity and Hub engineering, and we believe you will see that show up in our results over the coming quarters. we've made the decision to invest more aggressively in hub production capacity and hub engineering and we believe you will see that show up in our results over the coming quarters We have new iterations of the Hub in development that meaningfully expand the product's capabilities, and we'll be sharing more on that roadmap over the next quarter or two. Customer demand has been strong enough that we are leaning into this product, not waiting on it. we have new iterations of the hub in development that meaningfully expand the product's capabilities and we'll be sharing more on that roadmap over the next quarter or two. customer demand has been strong enough that we are leaning into this product not waiting on it Subsequent to quarter end, we've continued delivering hubs to a number of new customers, including a Q2 deployment with MacAllister Caterpillar. That hub will be deployed on a large data center construction project for a hyperscaler customer. Exactly the kind of application we built the hub for. Power-constrained sites, fast deployment, no permitting overhead, and customers who need uptime more than they need theory. We're also preparing to begin shipping hubs to Europe later this year and are actively standing up the service partnerships needed to meet customer SLAs as we expand internationally. I want to spend a moment on the demand environment because the noise in the regulatory landscape sometimes obscures what is happening on the ground. The federal climate has shifted. Subsequent to quarter end, we've continued delivering hubs to a number of new customers, including a Q2 deployment with MacAllister Caterpillar. subsequent to quarter end we've continued delivering hubs to a number of new customers including a q2 deployment with macallister caterpillar That hub will be deployed on a large data center construction project for a hyperscaler customer. that hub will be deployed on a large data center construction project for a hyperscaler customer Exactly the kind of application we built the hub for. exactly the kind of application we built the hub for Power-constrained sites, fast deployment, no permitting overhead, and customers who need uptime more than they need theory. power-constrained sites fast deployment no permitting overhead and customers who need uptime more than they need theory We're also preparing to begin shipping hubs to Europe later this year and are actively standing up the service partnerships needed to meet customer SLAs as we expand internationally. we're also preparing to begin shipping hubs to europe later this year and are actively standing up the service partnerships needed to meet customer slas as we expand internationally I want to spend a moment on the demand environment because the noise in the regulatory landscape sometimes obscures what is happening on the ground. i want to spend a moment on the demand environment because the noise in the regulatory landscape sometimes obscures what is happening on the ground The federal climate has shifted. the federal climate has shifted The EPA's removal of California's CARB waiver and its challenge to the Endangerment Finding have softened the regulatory tailwinds that supported zero-emissions adoption over the past few years. We have not been counting on these tailwinds. What we are seeing instead is a renewal of interest driven by economics. The fuel and energy crisis has reset how fleets think about total cost of ownership. Diesel in California is averaging roughly $7.50/gal as of this week, and the average price of regular gasoline in California is now above $6/gal. Meanwhile, our heavy-duty hub and vehicle customers in California are paying between $0.15 and $0.35/kWh for electricity. A heavy-duty electric vehicle uses about 1.75 kWh/mi. A medium-duty vehicle uses about 1 kWh/mi. The math becomes very straightforward. The EPA's removal of California's CARB waiver and its challenge to the Endangerment Finding have softened the regulatory tailwinds that supported zero-emissions adoption over the past few years. the epa's removal of california's carb waiver and its challenge to the endangerment finding have softened the regulatory tailwinds that supported zero-emissions adoption over the past few years We have not been counting on these tailwinds. we have not been counting on these tailwinds What we are seeing instead is a renewal of interest driven by economics. what we are seeing instead is a renewal of interest driven by economics The fuel and energy crisis has reset how fleets think about total cost of ownership. the fuel and energy crisis has reset how fleets think about total cost of ownership Diesel in California is averaging roughly $7.50/gal as of this week, and the average price of regular gasoline in California is now above $6/gal . diesel in california is averaging roughly $7.50/gal as of this week and the average price of regular gasoline in california is now above $6/gal Meanwhile, our heavy-duty hub and vehicle customers in California are paying between $0.15 and $0.35 /k Wh for electricity. meanwhile our heavy-duty hub and vehicle customers in california are paying between $0.15 and $0.35 /k wh for electricity A heavy-duty electric vehicle uses about 1.75 kWh/ mi. a heavy-duty electric vehicle uses about 1.75 kwh/ mi A medium-duty vehicle uses about 1 kWh/ mi. a medium-duty vehicle uses about 1 kwh/ mi The math becomes very straightforward. the math becomes very straightforward In heavy-duty applications, fleets are seeing per mile fuel cost savings of more than 60%. Those savings are real, they are robust, and they are what is driving renewed conversations across our pipeline, regardless of where federal policy lands. A related proof point in the quarter, we delivered our first units to customers redeeming CORE vouchers, the California Off-Road Equipment program that incentivizes the use of zero-emissions off-highway equipment, including hubs. We applied for the program last year, were awarded a number of allocations, and Q1 2026 marked the start of those deliveries. CORE opens up a meaningful new vertical for the hub, and we're seeing that vertical begin to hold momentum. The other significant shift this quarter, one that I want investors to internalize, is municipal and federal traction. Historically, Xos has been a private fleet business. The launch and growth of the hub has changed that. In heavy-duty applications, fleets are seeing per mile fuel cost savings of more than 60%. in heavy-duty applications fleets are seeing per mile fuel cost savings of more than 60% Those savings are real, they are robust, and they are what is driving renewed conversations across our pipeline, regardless of where federal policy lands. those savings are real they are robust and they are what is driving renewed conversations across our pipeline regardless of where federal policy lands A related proof point in the quarter, we delivered our first units to customers redeeming CORE vouchers, the California Off-Road Equipment program that incentivizes the use of zero-emissions off-highway equipment, including hubs. a related proof point in the quarter we delivered our first units to customers redeeming core vouchers the california off-road equipment program that incentivizes the use of zero-emissions off-highway equipment including hubs We applied for the program last year, were awarded a number of allocations, and Q1 2026 marked the start of those deliveries. we applied for the program last year were awarded a number of allocations and q1 2026 marked the start of those deliveries CORE opens up a meaningful new vertical for the hub, and we're seeing that vertical begin to hold momentum. core opens up a meaningful new vertical for the hub and we're seeing that vertical begin to hold momentum The other significant shift this quarter, one that I want investors to internalize, is municipal and federal traction. the other significant shift this quarter one that i want investors to internalize is municipal and federal traction Historically, Xos has been a private fleet business. historically xos has been a private fleet business The launch and growth of the hub has changed that. the launch and growth of the hub has changed that Today, we are working with a growing set of municipal, state, and federal customers, and the product mix is a natural fit for their needs. Earlier this month, we announced that Xos was selected as one of only 17 finalists in the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command Commercial Capabilities Showcase, where we are demonstrating the hub this week as a mobile deployable charging and power solution for the Air Force. In April, we participated in the ACT Expo in Las Vegas, where we engaged with powertrain customers, truck fleet customers, and a meaningful number of municipal accounts. In mid-April, we participated in TEVCON in San Diego, a defense-focused conference aligned with the Office of the Secretary of War, U.S. Army FUZE, the Defense Innovation Unit, and other defense and energy agencies focused on accelerating procurement for the modern battlefield. The last point deserves a comment. Today, we are working with a growing set of municipal, state, and federal customers, and the product mix is a natural fit for their needs. today we are working with a growing set of municipal state and federal customers and the product mix is a natural fit for their needs Earlier this month, we announced that Xos was selected as one of only 17 finalists in the U.S. earlier this month we announced that xos was selected as one of only 17 finalists in the u.s Air Force Global Strike Command Commercial Capabilities Showcase, where we are demonstrating the hub this week as a mobile deployable charging and power solution for the Air Force. air force global strike command commercial capabilities showcase where we are demonstrating the hub this week as a mobile deployable charging and power solution for the air force In April, we participated in the ACT Expo in Las Vegas, where we engaged with powertrain customers, truck fleet customers, and a meaningful number of municipal accounts. in april we participated in the act expo in las vegas where we engaged with powertrain customers truck fleet customers and a meaningful number of municipal accounts In mid-April, we participated in TEVCON in San Diego, a defense-focused conference aligned with the Office of the Secretary of War, U.S. in mid-april we participated in tevcon in san diego a defense-focused conference aligned with the office of the secretary of war u.s Army FUZE, the Defense Innovation Unit, and other defense and energy agencies focused on accelerating procurement for the modern battlefield. army fuze the defense innovation unit and other defense and energy agencies focused on accelerating procurement for the modern battlefield The last point deserves a comment. the last point deserves a comment One of the most significant operational shifts inside today's military is the electrification of the battlefield. This is not just about vehicles. It's about unmanned aerial systems, counter-UAS systems for drone tracking and mitigation, distributed computing at the forward operating bases, expanded telecommunications, and the broader load growth that all of that creates. Reliable, quiet, deployable power generation and storage are becoming as critical as the systems they support. The Hub is built exactly for that environment. As a reminder, the Xos Hub is already on the GSA schedule through our FedHarmony partnership, which provides federal agencies with a streamlined procurement pathway. Between the AFGSC Showcase, TEVCON, ACT Expo, and a ride and drive we conducted in San Diego with CALSTART, the demand signal coming out of the public sector is the strongest we have ever seen. One of the most significant operational shifts inside today's military is the electrification of the battlefield. one of the most significant operational shifts inside today's military is the electrification of the battlefield This is not just about vehicles. this is not just about vehicles It's about unmanned aerial systems, counter-UAS systems for drone tracking and mitigation, distributed computing at the forward operating bases, expanded telecommunications, and the broader load growth that all of that creates. it's about unmanned aerial systems counter-uas systems for drone tracking and mitigation distributed computing at the forward operating bases expanded telecommunications and the broader load growth that all of that creates Reliable, quiet, deployable power generation and storage are becoming as critical as the systems they support. reliable quiet deployable power generation and storage are becoming as critical as the systems they support The Hub is built exactly for that environment. the hub is built exactly for that environment As a reminder, the Xos Hub is already on the GSA schedule through our FedHarmony partnership, which provides federal agencies with a streamlined procurement pathway. as a reminder the xos hub is already on the gsa schedule through our fedharmony partnership which provides federal agencies with a streamlined procurement pathway Between the AFGSC Showcase, TEVCON, ACT Expo, and a ride and drive we conducted in San Diego with CALSTART, the demand signal coming out of the public sector is the strongest we have ever seen. between the afgsc showcase tevcon act expo and a ride and drive we conducted in san diego with calstart the demand signal coming out of the public sector is the strongest we have ever seen Stepping back, Q1 was a strong start to the year, but more importantly, it was a clear data point on where the business is going. We are diversifying away from being a single product company and into a broader commercial vehicle and power infrastructure manufacturer. The mix, the margins, and the customer set all moved in the right direction this quarter. We do not expect every quarter to look like Q1, but we do expect the trajectory to continue. With that, I'll turn it over to Gio to walk through the operational highlights of the quarter. Stepping back, Q1 was a strong start to the year, but more importantly, it was a clear data point on where the business is going. stepping back q1 was a strong start to the year but more importantly it was a clear data point on where the business is going We are diversifying away from being a single product company and into a broader commercial vehicle and power infrastructure manufacturer. we are diversifying away from being a single product company and into a broader commercial vehicle and power infrastructure manufacturer The mix, the margins, and the customer set all moved in the right direction this quarter. the mix the margins and the customer set all moved in the right direction this quarter We do not expect every quarter to look like Q1, but we do expect the trajectory to continue. we do not expect every quarter to look like q1 but we do expect the trajectory to continue With that, I'll turn it over to Gio to walk through the operational highlights of the quarter. with that i'll turn it over to gio to walk through the operational highlights of the quarter
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dakota, and good afternoon, everyone. Over the course of the first quarter, our teams continued to execute across all three of our core product lines, delivering trucks, mobile charging hubs, and powertrain systems to customers while maintaining a strong focus on operational efficiency and disciplined cost management. The work we've done over the past several quarters to streamline operations, improve manufacturing execution, and optimize our supply chain showed up clearly in our results this quarter as we achieved the highest GAAP gross margins in the company's history. Just as importantly, we remain focused on continuing to find ways to engineer, source, and build our products more efficiently as we scale. Within engineering, the team continues to make strong progress on the next generation of our hub platform. Thank you, Dakota, and good afternoon, everyone. thank you dakota and good afternoon everyone Over the course of the first quarter, our teams continued to execute across all three of our core product lines, delivering trucks, mobile charging hubs, and powertrain systems to customers while maintaining a strong focus on operational efficiency and disciplined cost management. over the course of the first quarter our teams continued to execute across all three of our core product lines delivering trucks mobile charging hubs and powertrain systems to customers while maintaining a strong focus on operational efficiency and disciplined cost management The work we've done over the past several quarters to streamline operations, improve manufacturing execution, and optimize our supply chain showed up clearly in our results this quarter as we achieved the highest GAAP gross margins in the company's history. the work we've done over the past several quarters to streamline operations improve manufacturing execution and optimize our supply chain showed up clearly in our results this quarter as we achieved the highest gaap gross margins in the company's history Just as importantly, we remain focused on continuing to find ways to engineer, source, and build our products more efficiently as we scale. Within engineering, the team continues to make strong progress on the next generation of our hub platform. just as importantly we remain focused on continuing to find ways to engineer source and build our products more efficiently as we scale. within engineering the team continues to make strong progress on the next generation of our hub platform This new version is being designed to expand the hub's opportunity set and broaden the range of customer segments and applications that we can address. We believe this evolution of the product will further strengthen the flexibility and competitiveness of our charging solutions, and we look forward to share more details in the future. In parallel, the engineering team also spent significant time during the quarter supporting the testing, validation, and certification of several new products and product configurations as we continue to expand our platform capabilities. On the supply chain side, our team remains highly engaged in managing sourcing strategy with an evolving tariff environment. We continue to work closely with our supplier base to identify opportunities for cost reduction, improve resiliency, and localize portions of the supply chain where it makes operational and economic sense. This new version is being designed to expand the hub's opportunity set and broaden the range of customer segments and applications that we can address. this new version is being designed to expand the hub's opportunity set and broaden the range of customer segments and applications that we can address We believe this evolution of the product will further strengthen the flexibility and competitiveness of our charging solutions, and we look forward to share more details in the future. we believe this evolution of the product will further strengthen the flexibility and competitiveness of our charging solutions and we look forward to share more details in the future In parallel, the engineering team also spent significant time during the quarter supporting the testing, validation, and certification of several new products and product configurations as we continue to expand our platform capabilities. in parallel the engineering team also spent significant time during the quarter supporting the testing validation and certification of several new products and product configurations as we continue to expand our platform capabilities On the supply chain side, our team remains highly engaged in managing sourcing strategy with an evolving tariff environment. on the supply chain side our team remains highly engaged in managing sourcing strategy with an evolving tariff environment We continue to work closely with our supplier base to identify opportunities for cost reduction, improve resiliency, and localize portions of the supply chain where it makes operational and economic sense. we continue to work closely with our supplier base to identify opportunities for cost reduction improve resiliency and localize portions of the supply chain where it makes operational and economic sense Our focus remains on maintaining flexibility while driving continued improvements in product costs and supply stability. In manufacturing, the investments we made to expand the hub and powertrain production areas at our Byrdstown, Tennessee facility supported efficient production as volumes increased during the quarter. The production team also successfully launched a new higher capacity hub configuration with our standard hub platform now increasing from 280 kWh to 420 kWh. This expanded capability allows us to better serve a broader set of fleet and infrastructure applications. We also continue to benefit from the flexibility of our production organization. Most technicians within the plant are trained to work across multiple product lines, allowing us to operate efficiently with a lean team while dynamically adjusting production mix across trucks, hubs, and powertrain systems as customer demand evolves. Our focus remains on maintaining flexibility while driving continued improvements in product costs and supply stability. our focus remains on maintaining flexibility while driving continued improvements in product costs and supply stability In manufacturing, the investments we made to expand the hub and powertrain production areas at our Byrdstown, Tennessee facility supported efficient production as volumes increased during the quarter. in manufacturing the investments we made to expand the hub and powertrain production areas at our byrdstown tennessee facility supported efficient production as volumes increased during the quarter The production team also successfully launched a new higher capacity hub configuration with our standard hub platform now increasing from 280 kWh to 420 kWh . the production team also successfully launched a new higher capacity hub configuration with our standard hub platform now increasing from 280 kwh to 420 kwh This expanded capability allows us to better serve a broader set of fleet and infrastructure applications. this expanded capability allows us to better serve a broader set of fleet and infrastructure applications We also continue to benefit from the flexibility of our production organization. we also continue to benefit from the flexibility of our production organization Most technicians within the plant are trained to work across multiple product lines, allowing us to operate efficiently with a lean team while dynamically adjusting production mix across trucks, hubs, and powertrain systems as customer demand evolves. most technicians within the plant are trained to work across multiple product lines allowing us to operate efficiently with a lean team while dynamically adjusting production mix across trucks hubs and powertrain systems as customer demand evolves That flexibility continues to be an important operational advantage for us as we scale the business thoughtfully and efficiently. With those updates, I'll turn the call over to Liana for an in-depth look at our financial performance. That flexibility continues to be an important operational advantage for us as we scale the business thoughtfully and efficiently. that flexibility continues to be an important operational advantage for us as we scale the business thoughtfully and efficiently With those updates, I'll turn the call over to Liana for an in-depth look at our financial performance. with those updates i'll turn the call over to liana for an in-depth look at our financial performance
Speaker 5: Thank you. For Q1 2026, our revenue was $11.2 million on 95 units, up from $5.9 million on 29 units in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $5.2 million on 34 units in Q4 2025. This substantial increase in unit deliveries and total revenue is driven by our sales efforts and strategic shift to focus on powertrain and hub units. Revenue growth during the quarter was impacted by the lower average selling price associated with higher mix of powertrain unit sales. Thank you. thank you For Q1 2026, our revenue was $11.2 million on 95 units, up from $5.9 million on 29 units in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $5.2 million on 34 units in Q4 2025. for q1 2026 our revenue was $11.2 million on 95 units up from $5.9 million on 29 units in q1 2025 and up sequentially from $5.2 million on 34 units in q4 2025 This substantial increase in unit deliveries and total revenue is driven by our sales efforts and strategic shift to focus on powertrain and hub units. this substantial increase in unit deliveries and total revenue is driven by our sales efforts and strategic shift to focus on powertrain and hub units Revenue growth during the quarter was impacted by the lower average selling price associated with higher mix of powertrain unit sales. revenue growth during the quarter was impacted by the lower average selling price associated with higher mix of powertrain unit sales This quarter, we achieved our highest GAAP gross margin in the company's history with a profit of $4.3 million or 38.6% compared to $1.2 million or 20.6% in Q1 2025, up sequentially from a loss of $2.6 million or -50.5% in Q4 2025. This was driven by our continued cost discipline, savings achieved through optimized inventory management and sourcing strategies, and favorable margin impact from our evolving commercialization strategy, including a greater mix of higher margin hub and powertrain unit deliveries during the quarter. As a reminder, GAAP gross margin last quarter was significantly impacted by discrete items, including additional inventory reserves and write-offs, due to a shift in the commercialization strategy and warranty reserve updates. This quarter, we achieved our highest GAAP gross margin in the company's history with a profit of $4.3 million or 38.6% compared to $1.2 million or 20.6% in Q1 2025, up sequentially from a loss of $2.6 million or -50.5% in Q4 2025. this quarter we achieved our highest gaap gross margin in the company's history with a profit of $4.3 million or 38.6% compared to $1.2 million or 20.6% in q1 2025 up sequentially from a loss of $2.6 million or -50.5% in q4 2025 This was driven by our continued cost discipline, savings achieved through optimized inventory management and sourcing strategies, and favorable margin impact from our evolving commercialization strategy, including a greater mix of higher margin hub and powertrain unit deliveries during the quarter. this was driven by our continued cost discipline savings achieved through optimized inventory management and sourcing strategies and favorable margin impact from our evolving commercialization strategy including a greater mix of higher margin hub and powertrain unit deliveries during the quarter As a reminder, GAAP gross margin last quarter was significantly impacted by discrete items, including additional inventory reserves and write-offs, due to a shift in the commercialization strategy and warranty reserve updates. as a reminder gaap gross margin last quarter was significantly impacted by discrete items including additional inventory reserves and write-offs due to a shift in the commercialization strategy and warranty reserve updates Non-GAAP gross profit during the quarter was approximately $4.2 million or 37.8% compared to $0.9 million or 15% in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $0.3 million or 5.2% in the prior quarter. This quarter marks our 11th consecutive quarter of positive non-GAAP gross margin performance, reflecting our operational refinements and the sustained momentum driving our path towards profitability. Turning to expenses, our Q1 2026 operating expenses were $9 million compared to $10.5 million in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $7.1 million in the prior quarter. The 14% drop from Q1 2025 reflects the impact of our strong operational discipline in managing our costs while continuing to invest in our multiple product offerings. Non-GAAP gross profit during the quarter was approximately $4.2 million or 37.8% compared to $0.9 million or 15% in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $0.3 million or 5.2% in the prior quarter. non-gaap gross profit during the quarter was approximately $4.2 million or 37.8% compared to $0.9 million or 15% in q1 2025 and up sequentially from $0.3 million or 5.2% in the prior quarter This quarter marks our 11th consecutive quarter of positive non-GAAP gross margin performance, reflecting our operational refinements and the sustained momentum driving our path towards profitability. this quarter marks our 11th consecutive quarter of positive non-gaap gross margin performance reflecting our operational refinements and the sustained momentum driving our path towards profitability Turning to expenses, our Q1 2026 operating expenses were $9 million compared to $10.5 million in Q1 2025, and up sequentially from $7.1 million in the prior quarter. turning to expenses our q1 2026 operating expenses were $9 million compared to $10.5 million in q1 2025 and up sequentially from $7.1 million in the prior quarter The 14% drop from Q1 2025 reflects the impact of our strong operational discipline in managing our costs while continuing to invest in our multiple product offerings. the 14% drop from q1 2025 reflects the impact of our strong operational discipline in managing our costs while continuing to invest in our multiple product offerings As a reminder, Q4 2025 expenses benefited from $1.7 million of non-recurring favorable adjustments related to the settlement of finance equipment leases and certain vendor payables. We delivered the lowest quarterly operating loss since going public, with operating loss improving to $4.7 million compared to $9.3 million in Q1 2025 and $9.7 million in Q4 2025. Non-GAAP operating loss for the quarter was $2.6 million, also our lowest since going public compared to $8.1 million in Q1 2025 and $4.6 million last quarter, reflecting continuing momentum towards profitability driven by improved operating efficiency and cost discipline. As a reminder, Q4 2025 expenses benefited from $1.7 million of non-recurring favorable adjustments related to the settlement of finance equipment leases and certain vendor payables. as a reminder q4 2025 expenses benefited from $1.7 million of non-recurring favorable adjustments related to the settlement of finance equipment leases and certain vendor payables We delivered the lowest quarterly operating loss since going public, with operating loss improving to $4.7 million compared to $9.3 million in Q1 2025 and $9.7 million in Q4 2025. we delivered the lowest quarterly operating loss since going public with operating loss improving to $4.7 million compared to $9.3 million in q1 2025 and $9.7 million in q4 2025 Non-GAAP operating loss for the quarter was $2.6 million, also our lowest since going public compared to $8.1 million in Q1 2025 and $4.6 million last quarter, reflecting continuing momentum towards profitability driven by improved operating efficiency and cost discipline. non-gaap operating loss for the quarter was $2.6 million also our lowest since going public compared to $8.1 million in q1 2025 and $4.6 million last quarter reflecting continuing momentum towards profitability driven by improved operating efficiency and cost discipline Our quarterly EBITDA loss was cut by more than half, improving to a loss of $4.1 million from a loss of $8.8 million in Q1 2025 and from a loss of $8.5 million in Q4 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $2 million this quarter, representing an improvement of over 70% compared to both Q1 2025 and Q4 2025. Turning to the balance sheet, we closed Q1 2026 with cash and cash equivalents totaling $9.8 million. Operating cash flow less CapEx, or free cash flow, was -$1.6 million this quarter, reflecting a significant year-over-year reduction in cash usage compared to -$4.8 million in Q1 2025. Our quarterly EBITDA loss was cut by more than half, improving to a loss of $4.1 million from a loss of $8.8 million in Q1 2025 and from a loss of $8.5 million in Q4 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $2 million this quarter, representing an improvement of over 70% compared to both Q1 2025 and Q4 2025. our quarterly ebitda loss was cut by more than half improving to a loss of $4.1 million from a loss of $8.8 million in q1 2025 and from a loss of $8.5 million in q4 2025. adjusted ebitda was a loss of $2 million this quarter representing an improvement of over 70% compared to both q1 2025 and q4 2025 Turning to the balance sheet, we closed Q1 2026 with cash and cash equivalents totaling $9.8 million. turning to the balance sheet we closed q1 2026 with cash and cash equivalents totaling $9.8 million Operating cash flow less CapEx, or free cash flow, was - $1.6 million this quarter, reflecting a significant year-over-year reduction in cash usage compared to - $4.8 million in Q1 2025. operating cash flow less capex or free cash flow was - $1.6 million this quarter reflecting a significant year-over-year reduction in cash usage compared to - $4.8 million in q1 2025 Sequentially, free cash flow declined from positive $2.4 million in Q4 2025, primarily due to higher accounts receivable balances from customer deliveries late in the quarter, as well as the timing of payments related to accounts payable and other accrued liabilities. Inventory declined to $23.7 million at the end of Q1 2026 from $25 million at the end of Q4 2025 and $38 million at the end of Q1 2025, reflecting continued progress from our inventory management initiatives and broader operational discipline. Sequentially, free cash flow declined from positive $2.4 million in Q4 2025, primarily due to higher accounts receivable balances from customer deliveries late in the quarter, as well as the timing of payments related to accounts payable and other accrued liabilities. sequentially free cash flow declined from positive $2.4 million in q4 2025 primarily due to higher accounts receivable balances from customer deliveries late in the quarter as well as the timing of payments related to accounts payable and other accrued liabilities Inventory declined to $23.7 million at the end of Q1 2026 from $25 million at the end of Q4 2025 and $38 million at the end of Q1 2025, reflecting continued progress from our inventory management initiatives and broader operational discipline. inventory declined to $23.7 million at the end of q1 2026 from $25 million at the end of q4 2025 and $38 million at the end of q1 2025 reflecting continued progress from our inventory management initiatives and broader operational discipline On May 8th, 2026, we amended the convertible note with our long-term investor, Aljomaih Automotive Company, reducing the conversion price from $71.451-$12 per share and adding a mandatory conversion feature that allows us to require conversion if our stock trades above $15 per share for 20 out of 30 consecutive trading days. Importantly, the amendment had no impact on our financial statements. More broadly, our results reflect structural improvements across sourcing, inventory management, and cost control, not one-time actions. As we look ahead, we remain focused on sustaining this momentum and scaling efficiently. We opened the year with a continued focus on active liquidity management, disciplined capital allocation, and continued improvement in accounts receivable collection, alongside our structural cost improvements and record-breaking gross margins. On May 8th, 2026, we amended the convertible note with our long-term investor, Aljomaih Automotive Company, reducing the conversion price from $71.451- $12 per share and adding a mandatory conversion feature that allows us to require conversion if our stock trades above $15 per share for 20 out of 30 consecutive trading days. on may 8th 2026 we amended the convertible note with our long-term investor aljomaih automotive company reducing the conversion price from $71.451- $12 per share and adding a mandatory conversion feature that allows us to require conversion if our stock trades above $15 per share for 20 out of 30 consecutive trading days Importantly, the amendment had no impact on our financial statements. importantly the amendment had no impact on our financial statements More broadly, our results reflect structural improvements across sourcing, inventory management, and cost control, not one-time actions. more broadly our results reflect structural improvements across sourcing inventory management and cost control not one-time actions As we look ahead, we remain focused on sustaining this momentum and scaling efficiently. as we look ahead we remain focused on sustaining this momentum and scaling efficiently We opened the year with a continued focus on active liquidity management, disciplined capital allocation, and continued improvement in accounts receivable collection, alongside our structural cost improvements and record-breaking gross margins. we opened the year with a continued focus on active liquidity management disciplined capital allocation and continued improvement in accounts receivable collection alongside our structural cost improvements and record-breaking gross margins Over the past several quarters, we have made meaningful progress strengthening collections from customers and organizations administering state grant programs, collecting $9.8 million during the quarter, following $14 million in Q4 2025 and $18.7 million in Q3 2025. This continued discipline remains a key pillar in our path toward building a more self-sustaining business with a stronger foundation for long-term stability. Turning to our outlook, we are reaffirming our full year 2026 guidance of revenue to fall within the range of $40 million-$50 million, unit deliveries to be within the range of 350 to 500 units, and non-GAAP operating loss to be in the range of $11.9 million-$13.3 million. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Dakota. Over the past several quarters, we have made meaningful progress strengthening collections from customers and organizations administering state grant programs, collecting $9.8 million during the quarter, following $14 million in Q4 2025 and $18.7 million in Q3 2025. over the past several quarters we have made meaningful progress strengthening collections from customers and organizations administering state grant programs collecting $9.8 million during the quarter following $14 million in q4 2025 and $18.7 million in q3 2025 This continued discipline remains a key pillar in our path toward building a more self-sustaining business with a stronger foundation for long-term stability. this continued discipline remains a key pillar in our path toward building a more self-sustaining business with a stronger foundation for long-term stability Turning to our outlook, we are reaffirming our full year 2026 guidance of revenue to fall within the range of $40 million-$50 million, unit deliveries to be within the range of 350 to 500 units, and non-GAAP operating loss to be in the range of $11.9 million-$13.3 million. turning to our outlook we are reaffirming our full year 2026 guidance of revenue to fall within the range of $40 million-$50 million unit deliveries to be within the range of 350 to 500 units and non-gaap operating loss to be in the range of $11.9 million-$13.3 million With that, I'll turn the call back over to Dakota. with that i'll turn the call back over to dakota
Speaker 2: Thank you, Liana. As we close out Q1 and look at the rest of 2026, the picture is becoming clearer. The three pillars guiding us, growth, liquidity, and margins, are no longer just an aspiration. They're showing up in the results. We delivered our highest ever gross margin quarter, our lowest operating loss since going public, and meaningful progress on liquidity, all while shifting the product mix towards the higher margin secular categories that define the next chapter of this company. The work we have done over the past two years to reduce cost, simplify operations, and bring discipline to every part of the business is now compounding. The demand environment, despite all of the regulatory noise, is moving in our direction. Customers are choosing Xos because the economics work, the products work, and the team behind them shows up. We do not take any of this for granted. Thank you, Liana. thank you liana As we close out Q1 and look at the rest of 2026, the picture is becoming clearer. as we close out q1 and look at the rest of 2026 the picture is becoming clearer The three pillars guiding us, growth, liquidity, and margins, are no longer just an aspiration. the three pillars guiding us growth liquidity and margins are no longer just an aspiration They're showing up in the results. they're showing up in the results We delivered our highest ever gross margin quarter, our lowest operating loss since going public, and meaningful progress on liquidity, all while shifting the product mix towards the higher margin secular categories that define the next chapter of this company. we delivered our highest ever gross margin quarter our lowest operating loss since going public and meaningful progress on liquidity all while shifting the product mix towards the higher margin secular categories that define the next chapter of this company The work we have done over the past two years to reduce cost, simplify operations, and bring discipline to every part of the business is now compounding. the work we have done over the past two years to reduce cost simplify operations and bring discipline to every part of the business is now compounding The demand environment, despite all of the regulatory noise, is moving in our direction. the demand environment despite all of the regulatory noise is moving in our direction Customers are choosing Xos because the economics work, the products work, and the team behind them shows up. customers are choosing xos because the economics work the products work and the team behind them shows up We do not take any of this for granted. we do not take any of this for granted The road ahead has its own set of challenges, tariffs, regulatory shifts, capital markets, and we will continue to navigate them with the same discipline that brought us here. Our confidence is only growing. We're building Xos to be a resilient, broadly capable commercial electric vehicle and power infrastructure company, and Q1 was another proof point that the work is gaining traction. With that, I'll hand it back over to the operator for questions. The road ahead has its own set of challenges, tariffs, regulatory shifts, capital markets, and we will continue to navigate them with the same discipline that brought us here. the road ahead has its own set of challenges tariffs regulatory shifts capital markets and we will continue to navigate them with the same discipline that brought us here Our confidence is only growing. our confidence is only growing We're building Xos to be a resilient, broadly capable commercial electric vehicle and power infrastructure company, and Q1 was another proof point that the work is gaining traction. we're building xos to be a resilient broadly capable commercial electric vehicle and power infrastructure company and q1 was another proof point that the work is gaining traction With that, I'll hand it back over to the operator for questions. with that i'll hand it back over to the operator for questions
Speaker 6: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. Please go ahead. Thank you. thank you We will now begin the question and answer session. we will now begin the question and answer session Our first question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. our first question comes from ted jackson of northland securities Please go ahead. please go ahead
Speaker 7: Thanks very much, Dakota, Gio, Liana. Congratulations on all the progress you made. I mean, it's impressive everything you've done in the last, you know, year or two, and, you know, you really showed it up in this quarter. Liana, also, I wanna thank you for, the timely release of the Q. I saw it came out while the call started, and, it'll certainly help with me getting things turned around. I appreciate that as well. Thanks very much, Dakota, Gio, Liana. thanks very much dakota gio liana Congratulations on all the progress you made. congratulations on all the progress you made I mean, it's impressive everything you've done in the last, you know, year or two, and, you know, you really showed it up in this quarter. i mean it's impressive everything you've done in the last you know year or two and you know you really showed it up in this quarter Liana, also, I wanna thank you for, the timely release of the Q. liana also i wanna thank you for the timely release of the q I saw it came out while the call started, and, it'll certainly help with me getting things turned around. i saw it came out while the call started and it'll certainly help with me getting things turned around I appreciate that as well. i appreciate that as well
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. yeah Thank you. thank you
Speaker 7: My first question, just kinda jumping in, you know, the queue came, I haven't gone through and looked at it, but you commented, Dakota, that you had 63 powertrains, 10 strip chassis. By inference, would I does that mean that you had 22 hubs go out the door during the first quarter? My first question, just kinda jumping in, you know, the queue came, I haven't gone through and looked at it, but you commented, Dakota, that you had 63 powertrains, 10 strip chassis. my first question just kinda jumping in you know the queue came i haven't gone through and looked at it but you commented dakota that you had 63 powertrains 10 strip chassis By inference, would I does that mean that you had 22 hubs go out the door during the first quarter? by inference would i does that mean that you had 22 hubs go out the door during the first quarter
Speaker 2: Yeah, approximately 22. I should be adding this up in my head as we speak, but it was around that many. Yeah, approximately 22. yeah approximately 22 I should be adding this up in my head as we speak, but it was around that many. i should be adding this up in my head as we speak but it was around that many
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, that's very impressive. Secondly, is kinda taking that and spinning it forward. You know, you've got a pretty wide spread in terms of the unit guidance. You know, given the, I mean, the strength you're seeing in hub and powertrains, how would we think about the mix of your shipments, you know, for the remainder of the year? You know, and recognizing that you're seeing, you know, some renewed engagement, you know, outside of your typical I mean, outside of those channels because of the fuel costs and such. Well, I mean, that's very impressive. well i mean that's very impressive Secondly, is kinda taking that and spinning it forward. secondly is kinda taking that and spinning it forward You know, you've got a pretty wide spread in terms of the unit guidance. you know you've got a pretty wide spread in terms of the unit guidance You know, given the, I mean, the strength you're seeing in hub and powertrains, how would we think about the mix of your shipments, you know, for the remainder of the year? you know given the i mean the strength you're seeing in hub and powertrains how would we think about the mix of your shipments you know for the remainder of the year You know, and recognizing that you're seeing, you know, some renewed engagement, you know, outside of your typical I mean, outside of those channels because of the fuel costs and such. you know and recognizing that you're seeing you know some renewed engagement you know outside of your typical i mean outside of those channels because of the fuel costs and such
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's early to tell what the mix looks like for the rest of the year. The one thing I think we can reiterate is that with the various products, the hubs generally tend to have a higher ASP and higher margin profile, and the powertrains tend to have a lower ASP and a lower margin profile. The wide range of unit volumes is actually because we still are waiting on some of our pipeline to be firmed up for the second half of the year. With some of those lower ASP powertrain units, we still might have higher volumes, but the revenue contribution from them isn't as high as the hub. That's kind of what you're seeing in that broad range of unit guidance. Yeah. yeah It's early to tell what the mix looks like for the rest of the year. it's early to tell what the mix looks like for the rest of the year The one thing I think we can reiterate is that with the various products, the hubs generally tend to have a higher ASP and higher margin profile, and the powertrains tend to have a lower ASP and a lower margin profile. the one thing i think we can reiterate is that with the various products the hubs generally tend to have a higher asp and higher margin profile and the powertrains tend to have a lower asp and a lower margin profile The wide range of unit volumes is actually because we still are waiting on some of our pipeline to be firmed up for the second half of the year. the wide range of unit volumes is actually because we still are waiting on some of our pipeline to be firmed up for the second half of the year With some of those lower ASP powertrain units, we still might have higher volumes, but the revenue contribution from them isn't as high as the hub. with some of those lower asp powertrain units we still might have higher volumes but the revenue contribution from them isn't as high as the hub That's kind of what you're seeing in that broad range of unit guidance. that's kind of what you're seeing in that broad range of unit guidance
Speaker 7: When you think about I mean, let's step away from 26. I mean, you know, the hub is, it's just a fabulous product, and it meets so many different needs. Would you see the hub, you know, over, you know, say the next two, three, I don't know, five years, whatever timeframe you wanna put forward, being, you know, more of a primary driver of growth for Xos vis-a-vis, you know, kinda your other products or? When you think about I mean, let's step away from 26. when you think about i mean let's step away from 26 I mean, you know, the hub is, it's just a fabulous product, and it meets so many different needs. i mean you know the hub is it's just a fabulous product and it meets so many different needs Would you see the hub, you know, over, you know, say the next two, three, I don't know, five years, whatever timeframe you wanna put forward, being, you know, more of a primary driver of growth for Xos vis-a-vis, you know, kinda your other products or? would you see the hub you know over you know say the next two three i don't know five years whatever timeframe you wanna put forward being you know more of a primary driver of growth for xos vis-a-vis you know kinda your other products or
Speaker 2: If this quarter and the demand that we're seeing in our current pipeline is any indication, then your the answer to your question is absolutely. There's a tremendous amount of interest. The demand is not coming just from the existing vehicle fleets that we work with. It's coming from an entirely new segment of customers that we haven't serviced before. The DC charger hub that we've been delivering and shipping to customers. Entirely new set of customers. If this quarter and the demand that we're seeing in our current pipeline is any indication, then your the answer to your question is absolutely. if this quarter and the demand that we're seeing in our current pipeline is any indication then your the answer to your question is absolutely There's a tremendous amount of interest. there's a tremendous amount of interest The demand is not coming just from the existing vehicle fleets that we work with. the demand is not coming just from the existing vehicle fleets that we work with It's coming from an entirely new segment of customers that we haven't serviced before. it's coming from an entirely new segment of customers that we haven't serviced before The DC charger hub that we've been delivering and shipping to customers. the dc charger hub that we've been delivering and shipping to customers Entirely new set of customers. entirely new set of customers We've got several new variations that we're really excited to talk about, in another quarter or two, which will expand that market even further, and it's gonna really address some of the major challenges that we're experiencing in the U.S. right now, which are grid resiliency, power reliability and getting power based upon all of the demands that are coming from so many different industries, including, you know, data centers. We expect that to continue to be the primary growth engine and growth driver. But we obviously still have a lot of work to do in terms of getting that pipeline established and getting the product out there in front of customers to be completely aware of it. We've got several new variations that we're really excited to talk about, in another quarter or two, which will expand that market even further, and it's gonna really address some of the major challenges that we're experiencing in the U.S. right now, which are grid resiliency, power reliability and getting power based upon all of the demands that are coming from so many different industries, including, you know, data centers. we've got several new variations that we're really excited to talk about in another quarter or two which will expand that market even further and it's gonna really address some of the major challenges that we're experiencing in the u.s right now which are grid resiliency power reliability and getting power based upon all of the demands that are coming from so many different industries including you know data centers We expect that to continue to be the primary growth engine and growth driver. we expect that to continue to be the primary growth engine and growth driver But we obviously still have a lot of work to do in terms of getting that pipeline established and getting the product out there in front of customers to be completely aware of it. but we obviously still have a lot of work to do in terms of getting that pipeline established and getting the product out there in front of customers to be completely aware of it
Speaker 7: Okay. I mean, it's exciting. I actually have more questions. I wanna be polite. I'm gonna step out. I'll get back in queue if there aren't anyone else. You know, either to get in after other people ask questions or I just wanna make sure that I don't get disconnected. I have more questions in case no one else has any. I'm gonna step out of line to make sure there other people can ask them. Thanks. Okay. okay I mean, it's exciting. i mean it's exciting I actually have more questions. i actually have more questions I wanna be polite. i wanna be polite I'm gonna step out. i'm gonna step out I'll get back in queue if there aren't anyone else. i'll get back in queue if there aren't anyone else You know, either to get in after other people ask questions or I just wanna make sure that I don't get disconnected. you know either to get in after other people ask questions or i just wanna make sure that i don't get disconnected I have more questions in case no one else has any. i have more questions in case no one else has any I'm gonna step out of line to make sure there other people can ask them. i'm gonna step out of line to make sure there other people can ask them Thanks. thanks
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ted. Thanks, Ted. thanks ted
Speaker 6: Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question comes from Craig Irwin of Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. once again if you have a question please press star then one Our next question comes from Craig Irwin of Roth Capital Partners. our next question comes from craig irwin of roth capital partners Please go ahead. please go ahead
Speaker 1: Hey, guys. It's Andrew on for Craig. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong results. First wanna touch on the real impressive gross margins here. I understand how mix can have an impact in the quarter. You touched on that earlier in the prepared remarks, but can you just kinda talk about the, you know, the structural cost changes you've made to allow you to set you up to post a quarter with gross margins this strong? Hey, guys. hey guys It's Andrew on for Craig. it's andrew on for craig Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong results. thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong results First wanna touch on the real impressive gross margins here. first wanna touch on the real impressive gross margins here I understand how mix can have an impact in the quarter. i understand how mix can have an impact in the quarter You touched on that earlier in the prepared remarks, but can you just kinda talk about the, you know, the structural cost changes you've made to allow you to set you up to post a quarter with gross margins this strong? you touched on that earlier in the prepared remarks but can you just kinda talk about the you know the structural cost changes you've made to allow you to set you up to post a quarter with gross margins this strong
Speaker 5: Hi, Andrew. Thanks for the question. Just couple of things. You know, in addition to, you know, as Dakota and I mentioned in our remarks with the mix of the products being more favorable, but that was also as a result of the last several quarters' various initiatives we've made to reduce our overall direct material and overhead and direct labor costs that are directly contributing to our gross margins. Additionally, over the past several quarters, we've also significantly improved our inventory management processes, which have reduced other GAAP reserves. All in all of those factors contributed to the impressive gross margin results this quarter. Hi, Andrew. hi andrew Thanks for the question. thanks for the question Just couple of things. just couple of things You know, in addition to, you know, as Dakota and I mentioned in our remarks with the mix of the products being more favorable, but that was also as a result of the last several quarters' various initiatives we've made to reduce our overall direct material and overhead and direct labor costs that are directly contributing to our gross margins. you know in addition to you know as dakota and i mentioned in our remarks with the mix of the products being more favorable but that was also as a result of the last several quarters' various initiatives we've made to reduce our overall direct material and overhead and direct labor costs that are directly contributing to our gross margins Additionally, over the past several quarters, we've also significantly improved our inventory management processes, which have reduced other GAAP reserves. additionally over the past several quarters we've also significantly improved our inventory management processes which have reduced other gaap reserves All in all of those factors contributed to the impressive gross margin results this quarter. all in all of those factors contributed to the impressive gross margin results this quarter
Speaker 1: Great. Appreciate the detail there. Just piggybacking off the questions on the Xos Hub, you guys, you know, now have over 1 GWh of energy charged across your units. Can you guys just kind of talk about what you've learned from the early deployments that have helped you know, develop these different variants and as you've prepared to launch these products, you know, and reaching out to different end markets? Great. great Appreciate the detail there. appreciate the detail there Just piggybacking off the questions on the Xos Hub, you guys, you know, now have over 1 GWh of energy charged across your units. just piggybacking off the questions on the xos hub you guys you know now have over 1 gwh of energy charged across your units Can you guys just kind of talk about what you've learned from the early deployments that have helped you know, develop these different variants and as you've prepared to launch these products, you know, and reaching out to different end markets? can you guys just kind of talk about what you've learned from the early deployments that have helped you know develop these different variants and as you've prepared to launch these products you know and reaching out to different end markets
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. We've had some very demanding initial customers with this product, including some autonomous vehicle companies that have charged, you know, almost up to 100 vehicles per day on a single Hub unit. We've had Hubs that have charged nearly 2 MWh in a 24-hour period. They're really being put through their paces, and this is in extreme cold weather environments, extreme heat, you know, in Phoenix in the middle of summer. We've had several other partners and one major OEM, off-highway OEM, test the product at their proving ground here in the U.S. and put it through its paces for off-highway use too. There's been a tremendous amount of learning that came from that. I think the product actually probably performed even better than we had anticipated or expected. Yeah, absolutely. yeah absolutely We've had some very demanding initial customers with this product, including some autonomous vehicle companies that have charged, you know, almost up to 100 vehicles per day on a single Hub unit. we've had some very demanding initial customers with this product including some autonomous vehicle companies that have charged you know almost up to 100 vehicles per day on a single hub unit We've had Hubs that have charged nearly 2 MWh in a 24-hour period. we've had hubs that have charged nearly 2 mwh in a 24-hour period They're really being put through their paces, and this is in extreme cold weather environments, extreme heat, you know, in Phoenix in the middle of summer. they're really being put through their paces and this is in extreme cold weather environments extreme heat you know in phoenix in the middle of summer We've had several other partners and one major OEM, off-highway OEM, test the product at their proving ground here in the U.S. and put it through its paces for off-highway use too. we've had several other partners and one major oem off-highway oem test the product at their proving ground here in the u.s and put it through its paces for off-highway use too There's been a tremendous amount of learning that came from that. there's been a tremendous amount of learning that came from that I think the product actually probably performed even better than we had anticipated or expected. i think the product actually probably performed even better than we had anticipated or expected That's not to say that there aren't, you know, preventative maintenance items and wear and tear items like charge cables and trailer components that we don't intend to repair in the field or, you know, don't have parts to repair as our customers continue to use them aggressively. Overall, the core architecture of the system, the energy storage system, the DC fast chargers, the AC power conversion, the software and controls have performed incredibly well. I think now we've tested on over 50 different vehicles interoperability, so that ranges everything from a small Chevrolet Bolt all the way up to a fully electric Caterpillar front loader, and pretty much every type of vehicle in between. That's not to say that there aren't, you know, preventative maintenance items and wear and tear items like charge cables and trailer components that we don't intend to repair in the field or, you know, don't have parts to repair as our customers continue to use them aggressively. that's not to say that there aren't you know preventative maintenance items and wear and tear items like charge cables and trailer components that we don't intend to repair in the field or you know don't have parts to repair as our customers continue to use them aggressively Overall, the core architecture of the system, the energy storage system, the DC fast chargers, the AC power conversion, the software and controls have performed incredibly well. overall the core architecture of the system the energy storage system the dc fast chargers the ac power conversion the software and controls have performed incredibly well I think now we've tested on over 50 different vehicles interoperability, so that ranges everything from a small Chevrolet Bolt all the way up to a fully electric Caterpillar front loader, and pretty much every type of vehicle in between. i think now we've tested on over 50 different vehicles interoperability so that ranges everything from a small chevrolet bolt all the way up to a fully electric caterpillar front loader and pretty much every type of vehicle in between We're getting a wide range of different use cases, and that's contributed to future iterations that we're working on and developing and we'll be able to bring to market pretty soon. I'll let Gio add some additional context too. We're getting a wide range of different use cases, and that's contributed to future iterations that we're working on and developing and we'll be able to bring to market pretty soon. we're getting a wide range of different use cases and that's contributed to future iterations that we're working on and developing and we'll be able to bring to market pretty soon I'll let Gio add some additional context too. i'll let gio add some additional context too
Speaker 4: Yeah. The other thing I would say is that these mobile charging units and our energy platforms benefit from the years and years and hundreds and of vehicles that we have on the road with very similar systems. The architecture of the hub does share some power electronics software and some battery DNA with our trucks, which were designed for on-road use. The mobile charging hubs are designed with that same team that has extensive on-road vehicle experience as well. From a durability perspective, this is not just a stationary battery and a stationary charger slapped onto a trailer. This was a product that was very intentionally designed for this use case from the ground up, and that's why we're seeing it performing so well in so many different applications. Yeah. yeah The other thing I would say is that these mobile charging units and our energy platforms benefit from the years and years and hundreds and of vehicles that we have on the road with very similar systems. the other thing i would say is that these mobile charging units and our energy platforms benefit from the years and years and hundreds and of vehicles that we have on the road with very similar systems The architecture of the hub does share some power electronics software and some battery DNA with our trucks, which were designed for on-road use. the architecture of the hub does share some power electronics software and some battery dna with our trucks which were designed for on-road use The mobile charging hubs are designed with that same team that has extensive on-road vehicle experience as well. the mobile charging hubs are designed with that same team that has extensive on-road vehicle experience as well From a durability perspective, this is not just a stationary battery and a stationary charger slapped onto a trailer. from a durability perspective this is not just a stationary battery and a stationary charger slapped onto a trailer This was a product that was very intentionally designed for this use case from the ground up, and that's why we're seeing it performing so well in so many different applications. this was a product that was very intentionally designed for this use case from the ground up and that's why we're seeing it performing so well in so many different applications
Speaker 1: Great. Really appreciate the color. Last from me, congrats on, you said a triple, delivery of powertrains to Blue Bird versus last year. Can you just kind of talk about how you see how the relationship has really evolved, you know, in the past? Maybe talk to ways you might be able to deepen the relationship with Blue Bird. May it be, like, additional product lines or other vehicle configurations. Great. great Really appreciate the color. really appreciate the color Last from me, congrats on, you said a triple, delivery of powertrains to Blue Bird versus last year. last from me congrats on you said a triple delivery of powertrains to blue bird versus last year Can you just kind of talk about how you see how the relationship has really evolved, you know, in the past? can you just kind of talk about how you see how the relationship has really evolved you know in the past Maybe talk to ways you might be able to deepen the relationship with Blue Bird. maybe talk to ways you might be able to deepen the relationship with blue bird May it be, like, additional product lines or other vehicle configurations. may it be like additional product lines or other vehicle configurations
Speaker 2: Absolutely. We've been very fortunate to have built a great partnership with Blue Bird. They're an incredible organization from their engineering team to their sourcing and supply chain team, all the way up to their leadership team. They're very disciplined in their execution and approach. That's the reason they've been around for over 100 years. They're also, I think it's important to call out, they're the leader in alternative fuel powertrains, delivering more propane and more alt-fuel, you know, electric buses than any other bus manufacturer in the U.S. For them to evaluate and select Xos as a part of their electric powertrains is a pretty big accomplishment for us, and I think a pretty big testament to our engineering team. We're excited. Absolutely. absolutely We've been very fortunate to have built a great partnership with Blue Bird. we've been very fortunate to have built a great partnership with blue bird They're an incredible organization from their engineering team to their sourcing and supply chain team, all the way up to their leadership team. they're an incredible organization from their engineering team to their sourcing and supply chain team all the way up to their leadership team They're very disciplined in their execution and approach. they're very disciplined in their execution and approach That's the reason they've been around for over 100 years. that's the reason they've been around for over 100 years They're also, I think it's important to call out, they're the leader in alternative fuel powertrains, delivering more propane and more alt-fuel, you know, electric buses than any other bus manufacturer in the U.S. they're also i think it's important to call out they're the leader in alternative fuel powertrains delivering more propane and more alt-fuel you know electric buses than any other bus manufacturer in the u.s For them to evaluate and select Xos as a part of their electric powertrains is a pretty big accomplishment for us, and I think a pretty big testament to our engineering team. for them to evaluate and select xos as a part of their electric powertrains is a pretty big accomplishment for us and i think a pretty big testament to our engineering team We're excited. we're excited The first buses we've delivered last year are on the road working customer fleets. We're delivering that next batch pretty soon. I think one of the things that's critically important for these customers is to see the reliability. When they're performing in the field, and they're going out day after day, not having maintenance issues, not having service issues, that gives Blue Bird the confidence to be able to continue to grow this partnership with us. I think the other thing, Gio pointed out with the hub, is that our years of selling, you know, thousands of electric vehicles to our customers and other powertrain customers has built a tremendous amount of supply chain synergies in. The first buses we've delivered last year are on the road working customer fleets. the first buses we've delivered last year are on the road working customer fleets We're delivering that next batch pretty soon. we're delivering that next batch pretty soon I think one of the things that's critically important for these customers is to see the reliability. i think one of the things that's critically important for these customers is to see the reliability When they're performing in the field, and they're going out day after day, not having maintenance issues, not having service issues, that gives Blue Bird the confidence to be able to continue to grow this partnership with us. when they're performing in the field and they're going out day after day not having maintenance issues not having service issues that gives blue bird the confidence to be able to continue to grow this partnership with us I think the other thing, Gio pointed out with the hub, is that our years of selling, you know, thousands of electric vehicles to our customers and other powertrain customers has built a tremendous amount of supply chain synergies in. i think the other thing gio pointed out with the hub is that our years of selling you know thousands of electric vehicles to our customers and other powertrain customers has built a tremendous amount of supply chain synergies in A lot of those cost savings that accrue to our bottom line on truck sales and vehicle sales and Xos Hub sales now are benefiting our powertrain customers as we're buying in some of those larger volumes and have historical supply chain relationships with suppliers that have products that support the step van and our Powered by Xos division. We're very privileged and feel fortunate to have that opportunity, and I do anticipate that that opportunity will continue to grow over time. We're working right now on expanding that pipeline beyond just them and other off-highway OEM customers that we have, but also into other on-highway operators and OEMs that could potentially use our powertrain and don't have their own powertrain technology in-house. A lot of those cost savings that accrue to our bottom line on truck sales and vehicle sales and Xos Hub sales now are benefiting our powertrain customers as we're buying in some of those larger volumes and have historical supply chain relationships with suppliers that have products that support the step van and our Powered by Xos division. a lot of those cost savings that accrue to our bottom line on truck sales and vehicle sales and xos hub sales now are benefiting our powertrain customers as we're buying in some of those larger volumes and have historical supply chain relationships with suppliers that have products that support the step van and our powered by xos division We're very privileged and feel fortunate to have that opportunity, and I do anticipate that that opportunity will continue to grow over time. we're very privileged and feel fortunate to have that opportunity and i do anticipate that that opportunity will continue to grow over time We're working right now on expanding that pipeline beyond just them and other off-highway OEM customers that we have, but also into other on-highway operators and OEMs that could potentially use our powertrain and don't have their own powertrain technology in-house. we're working right now on expanding that pipeline beyond just them and other off-highway oem customers that we have but also into other on-highway operators and oems that could potentially use our powertrain and don't have their own powertrain technology in-house
Speaker 1: Great. Really appreciate the detail, and, congrats on the continued progress. Great. great Really appreciate the detail, and, congrats on the continued progress. really appreciate the detail and congrats on the continued progress
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
Speaker 6: Our next question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. Please go ahead. Our next question comes from Ted Jackson of Northland Securities. our next question comes from ted jackson of northland securities Please go ahead. please go ahead
Speaker 7: Thanks. Dakota, my next question was on the MacAllister Caterpillar relationship. I wanted you to kind of walk through a little bit. I was taking notes, but I don't think I got it all down straight. Like exactly how the hub is being deployed. You said it was a data center hyperscaler. Are there more opportunities behind that? Is it being sold as a Caterpillar product, or is it going as an Xos product? When I say, let me step back. When I say more opportunities, you know, I mean, I would think there'd be two, and one would be maybe other opportunities with MacAllister Caterpillar. You know, I mean, all those guys know each other. Thanks. thanks Dakota, my next question was on the MacAllister Caterpillar relationship. dakota my next question was on the macallister caterpillar relationship I wanted you to kind of walk through a little bit. i wanted you to kind of walk through a little bit I was taking notes, but I don't think I got it all down straight. i was taking notes but i don't think i got it all down straight Like exactly how the hub is being deployed. like exactly how the hub is being deployed You said it was a data center hyperscaler. you said it was a data center hyperscaler Are there more opportunities behind that? are there more opportunities behind that Is it being sold as a Caterpillar product, or is it going as an Xos product? is it being sold as a caterpillar product or is it going as an xos product When I say, let me step back. when i say let me step back When I say more opportunities, you know, I mean, I would think there'd be two, and one would be maybe other opportunities with MacAllister Caterpillar. when i say more opportunities you know i mean i would think there'd be two and one would be maybe other opportunities with macallister caterpillar You know, I mean, all those guys know each other. you know i mean all those guys know each other You know, most people when they see, you know, someone With having success with the product, they'll start selling it too. If you see that as an opportunity to provide a lead into other Caterpillar distributors. You know, most people when they see, you know, someone With having success with the product, they'll start selling it too. you know most people when they see you know someone with having success with the product they'll start selling it too If you see that as an opportunity to provide a lead into other Caterpillar distributors. if you see that as an opportunity to provide a lead into other caterpillar distributors
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Speaker 7: That's my first round of questions. Thanks. I got another one. That's my first round of questions. that's my first round of questions Thanks. thanks I got another one. i got another one
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The product is going to support some of their electric construction equipment that they're deploying at one of these big data center sites. It's all zero emissions equipment that they're gonna be charging with it. You know, when you start to look at these hyperscalers, they are concerned about their environmental footprint and the impact they're having on not just power generation, but also the construction of building all of these sites. They're deploying some zero emissions equipment, and the hub is what's being used to charge that equipment. I think the opportunity exists beyond just MacAllister. Absolutely. absolutely The product is going to support some of their electric construction equipment that they're deploying at one of these big data center sites. the product is going to support some of their electric construction equipment that they're deploying at one of these big data center sites It's all zero emissions equipment that they're gonna be charging with it. it's all zero emissions equipment that they're gonna be charging with it You know, when you start to look at these hyperscalers, they are concerned about their environmental footprint and the impact they're having on not just power generation, but also the construction of building all of these sites. you know when you start to look at these hyperscalers they are concerned about their environmental footprint and the impact they're having on not just power generation but also the construction of building all of these sites They're deploying some zero emissions equipment, and the hub is what's being used to charge that equipment. they're deploying some zero emissions equipment and the hub is what's being used to charge that equipment I think the opportunity exists beyond just MacAllister. i think the opportunity exists beyond just macallister There's several Caterpillar dealerships that have been investors in Xos since we were a private company, and we've been reigniting several of those relationships, and evaluating multiple opportunities right now, specifically addressed at the data center segment, and short-term and temporary power for data center ramp-up and construction, but also long-term buffering. You know, we touched on it briefly, but right now the demands on the grid are beyond anything we have ever seen before. The demand for reliable grid utility scale power, can be years out from traditional IOUs or municipal utilities. What you see happening is a lot of behind the meter installations with gas turbines, with reciprocating generators, and more conventional power generation, and small scale power generation solutions. There's several Caterpillar dealerships that have been investors in Xos since we were a private company, and we've been reigniting several of those relationships, and evaluating multiple opportunities right now, specifically addressed at the data center segment, and short-term and temporary power for data center ramp-up and construction, but also long-term buffering. there's several caterpillar dealerships that have been investors in xos since we were a private company and we've been reigniting several of those relationships and evaluating multiple opportunities right now specifically addressed at the data center segment and short-term and temporary power for data center ramp-up and construction but also long-term buffering You know, we touched on it briefly, but right now the demands on the grid are beyond anything we have ever seen before. you know we touched on it briefly but right now the demands on the grid are beyond anything we have ever seen before The demand for reliable grid utility scale power, can be years out from traditional IOUs or municipal utilities. the demand for reliable grid utility scale power can be years out from traditional ious or municipal utilities What you see happening is a lot of behind the meter installations with gas turbines, with reciprocating generators, and more conventional power generation, and small scale power generation solutions. what you see happening is a lot of behind the meter installations with gas turbines with reciprocating generators and more conventional power generation and small scale power generation solutions Some of the announcements we've got coming out are gonna be addressed specifically at that market opportunity that we believe will continue to grow at least for the next five years, but probably well beyond that. There's an immense opportunity that exists there that is currently pretty underserved. When you look at even doing behind the meter installations for something like a gas turbine plant, your lead times on equipment for a gas turbine plant is probably in the five-seven year range right now, depending if you're working with GE or Solar or other suppliers. Some of the quickest solutions to market are reciprocating generators, and those need battery energy storage systems to be able to manage these loads and not damage the equipment that they're powering. Some of the announcements we've got coming out are gonna be addressed specifically at that market opportunity that we believe will continue to grow at least for the next five years, but probably well beyond that. some of the announcements we've got coming out are gonna be addressed specifically at that market opportunity that we believe will continue to grow at least for the next five years but probably well beyond that There's an immense opportunity that exists there that is currently pretty underserved. there's an immense opportunity that exists there that is currently pretty underserved When you look at even doing behind the meter installations for something like a gas turbine plant, your lead times on equipment for a gas turbine plant is probably in the five-seven year range right now, depending if you're working with GE or Solar or other suppliers. when you look at even doing behind the meter installations for something like a gas turbine plant your lead times on equipment for a gas turbine plant is probably in the five-seven year range right now depending if you're working with ge or solar or other suppliers Some of the quickest solutions to market are reciprocating generators, and those need battery energy storage systems to be able to manage these loads and not damage the equipment that they're powering. some of the quickest solutions to market are reciprocating generators and those need battery energy storage systems to be able to manage these loads and not damage the equipment that they're powering There really is an immense opportunity that we're focused on attacking right now, and we think the Hub is incredibly well-positioned with the existing architecture that we've developed. It's not really a lot of new technology we have to develop. It's an opportunity that leverages our core power electronics into a much, much bigger market. There really is an immense opportunity that we're focused on attacking right now, and we think the Hub is incredibly well-positioned with the existing architecture that we've developed. there really is an immense opportunity that we're focused on attacking right now and we think the hub is incredibly well-positioned with the existing architecture that we've developed It's not really a lot of new technology we have to develop. it's not really a lot of new technology we have to develop It's an opportunity that leverages our core power electronics into a much, much bigger market. it's an opportunity that leverages our core power electronics into a much much bigger market
Speaker 7: Sounds exciting. My next and kind of like last topic and question which ties into this is, you know, you're, you're seeing great uptake with the hub. You're seeing, you know, solid growth with the powertrains. I mean, there's a chance that, you know, we could see, you know, what's the word I'd be looking for? Like, you know, like, you know, renewed interest with regards to, you know, kind of the strip chassis in and of themselves. The company has, you know, hardly put any CapEx down in the last couple of years. You know, at what point, if the Like, for instance, the opportunity with the hub, which, you know, to me seems, you know, just tremendous and right in front of you. Sounds exciting. sounds exciting My next and kind of like last topic and question which ties into this is, you know, you're, you're seeing great uptake with the hub. my next and kind of like last topic and question which ties into this is you know you're you're seeing great uptake with the hub You're seeing, you know, solid growth with the powertrains. you're seeing you know solid growth with the powertrains I mean, there's a chance that, you know, we could see, you know, what's the word I'd be looking for? i mean there's a chance that you know we could see you know what's the word i'd be looking for Like, you know, like, you know, renewed interest with regards to, you know, kind of the strip chassis in and of themselves. like you know like you know renewed interest with regards to you know kind of the strip chassis in and of themselves The company has, you know, hardly put any CapEx down in the last couple of years. the company has you know hardly put any capex down in the last couple of years You know, at what point, if the Like, for instance, the opportunity with the hub, which, you know, to me seems, you know, just tremendous and right in front of you. you know at what point if the like for instance the opportunity with the hub which you know to me seems you know just tremendous and right in front of you If it really takes off, at what point do you need to spend to handle that? Like, how much capacity do you have to be able to produce? Is there, you know, spend that has to happen to, you know, to fully utilize the capacity that you have? You know, do you see anyone with all this? You know, kind of as things ramp, I mean, we'll stop at that right now. That'd be my next one. I wanted to kind of get into, like, how it all tie back to where you start generating some free cash flow, which you've proven you can do also. If it really takes off, at what point do you need to spend to handle that? if it really takes off at what point do you need to spend to handle that Like, how much capacity do you have to be able to produce? like how much capacity do you have to be able to produce Is there, you know, spend that has to happen to, you know, to fully utilize the capacity that you have? is there you know spend that has to happen to you know to fully utilize the capacity that you have You know, do you see anyone with all this? you know do you see anyone with all this You know, kind of as things ramp, I mean, we'll stop at that right now. you know kind of as things ramp i mean we'll stop at that right now That'd be my next one. that'd be my next one I wanted to kind of get into, like, how it all tie back to where you start generating some free cash flow, which you've proven you can do also. i wanted to kind of get into like how it all tie back to where you start generating some free cash flow which you've proven you can do also
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question. You know, really the nice thing about all of our product segments is they are utilizing the core components and technology, the same core components and technology across all of those business units. When we pivot to a new vertical or a new segment with a new product like the hub, we're really leveraging a lot of the same supply chain, a lot of the same assembly tools. That's not to say that we can't improve the line efficiency and build, you know, better, more capacity with our existing line configuration. I do think there's gonna be some nominal CapEx, but low hundreds of thousands of dollars to low single-digit millions of dollars. Yeah, it's a fair question. yeah it's a fair question You know, really the nice thing about all of our product segments is they are utilizing the core components and technology, the same core components and technology across all of those business units. you know really the nice thing about all of our product segments is they are utilizing the core components and technology the same core components and technology across all of those business units When we pivot to a new vertical or a new segment with a new product like the hub, we're really leveraging a lot of the same supply chain, a lot of the same assembly tools. when we pivot to a new vertical or a new segment with a new product like the hub we're really leveraging a lot of the same supply chain a lot of the same assembly tools That's not to say that we can't improve the line efficiency and build, you know, better, more capacity with our existing line configuration. that's not to say that we can't improve the line efficiency and build you know better more capacity with our existing line configuration I do think there's gonna be some nominal CapEx, but low hundreds of thousands of dollars to low single-digit millions of dollars. i do think there's gonna be some nominal capex but low hundreds of thousands of dollars to low single-digit millions of dollars The reality is because we're using so much of that same architecture, we're not having to invest in novel manufacturing CapEx or tooling or, you know, lift systems or facilities to support the ramp-up of that product. Obviously, there is an upper limit, but we've demonstrated in previous quarters our run rate for vehicles can get up to 150 units per month. We could easily parlay that working staff and the team that works on the truck line and a lot of the tooling that's utilized for the truck line to be able to build Hubs at that same run rate. We think there's a pretty significant opportunity just with the existing infrastructure and equipment and CapEx investments that we've already made to date. The reality is because we're using so much of that same architecture, we're not having to invest in novel manufacturing CapEx or tooling or, you know, lift systems or facilities to support the ramp-up of that product. the reality is because we're using so much of that same architecture we're not having to invest in novel manufacturing capex or tooling or you know lift systems or facilities to support the ramp-up of that product Obviously, there is an upper limit, but we've demonstrated in previous quarters our run rate for vehicles can get up to 150 units per month. obviously there is an upper limit but we've demonstrated in previous quarters our run rate for vehicles can get up to 150 units per month We could easily parlay that working staff and the team that works on the truck line and a lot of the tooling that's utilized for the truck line to be able to build Hubs at that same run rate. we could easily parlay that working staff and the team that works on the truck line and a lot of the tooling that's utilized for the truck line to be able to build hubs at that same run rate We think there's a pretty significant opportunity just with the existing infrastructure and equipment and CapEx investments that we've already made to date. we think there's a pretty significant opportunity just with the existing infrastructure and equipment and capex investments that we've already made to date
Speaker 7: Okay. I think actually that does answer everything for me because obviously, if you don't need to make those kind of significant investments to grow and you can get, you know, you have that kind of demand to drive up there, the, kind of the cash generation will take care of itself. Okay. Thanks very much. Okay. okay I think actually that does answer everything for me because obviously, if you don't need to make those kind of significant investments to grow and you can get, you know, you have that kind of demand to drive up there, the, kind of the cash generation will take care of itself. i think actually that does answer everything for me because obviously if you don't need to make those kind of significant investments to grow and you can get you know you have that kind of demand to drive up there the kind of the cash generation will take care of itself Okay. okay Thanks very much. thanks very much
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Ted. Thanks so much, Ted. thanks so much ted
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