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Stereotaxis, Inc. — Call Transcript 2025
Aug 7, 2025
Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for Stereotaxis' Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Strengthened statements during the conference call and question and answer period to follow may relate to future events, expectations, and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance, or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company's executives may make today. These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report of Form 10-K or 10-Q. We assume no duty to update these statements. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. The floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. David Fischel, Chairman and CEO of Stereotaxis. Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. We've described this year as a pivotal, milestone-rich year in which we advance a broad portfolio of strategic innovations to market and demonstrate their initial commercial impact. We're diligently executing on multiple fronts, and I'm pleased with our results. From both a regulatory and commercial perspective, our results are in line with the guidance provided at the start of this year. I'll keep our prepared remarks brief, providing updates on our key innovation and commercial efforts. As a reminder, our innovation strategy rests on four primary pillars. First, making our robot widely available by innovating it such that it doesn't require construction and can be rapidly installed in the majority of labs. Second, building an ecosystem of catheters and integrations in our core EP ablation market so physicians have greater choice in technologies while we reduce our dependencies and build an attractive razor blade business. Third, developing the right interventional devices so that our robots become a platform for endovascular surgery more broadly, providing value in several new clinical indications. Fourth, establishing a digital backbone that introduces connectivity and AI to our robot and the broader cath lab environment. Genesis X is the key technological innovation enabling robotics to be more broadly accessible. We received CE Mark in Europe and have been working through the regulatory process for FDA clearance in the U.S. On our last call, we described having addressed the vast majority of FDA's questions and that we received additional questions on a few final topics. We addressed these topics in a submission to the FDA late in the second quarter and view regulatory approval of Genesis X as likely still this summer. Concurrent with the regulatory effort, we are working to enhance compatibility of the robot with various X-rays and preparing our supply chain, manufacturing, installation, and commercial processes for a full launch. We successfully completed transfer to manufacturing of Genesis X in the second quarter, manufacturing the first commercial Genesis X system. That system is expected to be installed at our first customer in Europe as soon as they complete installation of an X-ray in their lab as they are placing Genesis X in a newly built cath lab. We expect to demonstrate Genesis X working in daily clinical use in one or two hospitals still this year, upon which we should be ready for full launch in Europe and the U.S. We continue to see steady demand for Genesis, but expect Genesis X orders to outpace the tempo of Genesis orders following full launch. Our effort to build an ecosystem of proprietary EP catheters in our core EP ablation market has seen two significant regulatory milestones so far this year: CE Mark of the MAGIC ablation catheter during the first quarter and FDA clearance of the MAGIC Sweep high-density mapping catheter just a couple of weeks ago. We've talked about the importance and impact of MAGIC on previous calls. In line with our guidance, MAGIC contributed approximately a couple hundred thousand dollars in revenue from initial European customers during the second quarter. Initial procedures have now taken place at approximately 30% of our EU accounts, and administrative efforts at others are ongoing. We continue to work on FDA approval for MAGIC and maintain a continuous dialogue with FDA. FDA received formal clinical results from our ongoing MAGIC study in the second quarter, and we are working with FDA through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and manufacturing practices. We continue to expect U.S. regulatory approval of MAGIC later this year. U.S. regulatory clearance of MAGIC Sweep was a major milestone for Stereotaxis. We discussed on a previous call the impact of high-density mapping on the EP field and why a robotic HD mapping catheter is a significant opportunity to positively impact physicians' clinical results and workflow, the relevance of robotics in EP, and our commercial results. Prominent KOLs were quoted in the press release announcing Sweep's clearance, describing the importance of the catheter and how the lack of a mapping catheter has held back overall adoption of robotics. MAGIC Sweep promises rapid and detailed electroanatomical mapping with the precision and inherent safety of our technology, the ability to map otherwise difficult-to-reach areas of the heart, and more anatomically accurate maps by avoiding distension caused by rigid catheters. There are many EPs who think similar to those KOLs and are excited to use the catheter. We're already working through hospital administrative processes at several hospitals that will be the first users of the catheter and expect usage at multiple accounts this quarter. We expect the combination of MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep to increase our disposable revenue per procedure significantly and to expand our user base and robotic utilization. Stepping back, FDA clearance of MAGIC Sweep is reflective of a major strategic transformation underway. It's the first FDA clearance Stereotaxis has received for a catheter in nearly 20 years. It demonstrates the foresight of our strategy to bring catheter development and manufacturing expertise in-house with the acquisition of APT last year. It's a tangible reflection of our progress building a robust ecosystem of robotically navigated interventional devices, a strategy that provides a much more attractive technological and commercial foundation for growth. It is even more exciting that this is just one of several proprietary catheters we are advancing to market across key geographies this year. In addition to MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep, we've developed a portfolio of catheters and wires that enable our robot to provide value in several new clinical indications. We submitted the Imagine catheter for regulatory approval earlier this year and continue to expect clearance this quarter. Following clearance, we look forward to beginning the process of demonstrating that our robot can serve as a broad platform for endovascular surgery. We have initial physician interest in working with us to pioneer use across several neurointerventional, interventional cardiology, and interventional radiology procedures. We expect that following regulatory clearance, we'll have several quarters of clinical updates demonstrating initial use and clinical value in these procedures. This transition of Stereotaxis from a single application robot to a platform endovascular robot is a significant driver of strategic value and ultimately increases our total addressable market multiple fold. The final significant innovation effort nearing regulatory milestones is our digital surgery platform that enables operating room connectivity and smart AI capabilities in the cath lab. Synchrony and Sync digitize the various disparate systems in the cath lab, allow for seamless control of all those systems from a consolidated cockpit, offer modern cloud-based connectivity between the lab and the external world, and provide attractive opportunities for smart AI features to be integrated into the operating room. The technology has been designed for use with our robot, but also as a very attractive independent offering across non-robotic cath labs. We've completed all regulatory testing for Synchrony and expect to submit it for FDA clearance and declare CE Mark in Europe very shortly. During the recently completed second quarter, we began limited commercialization of just the first technologies in this comprehensive innovation strategy. Our results in the quarter benefited from revenue recognition on the first Genesis X system and initial MAGIC sales in Europe. These launches will accelerate, and as we achieve additional regulatory milestones, we will benefit from the layering of additional growth tailwinds. While these innovations are modestly contributing to system and recurring revenue in 2025, they set us up for breakout growth as we look towards 2026. Kim will now provide additional commentary on our financial results, and then I'll make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to Q&A. Kim? Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Revenue for the second quarter of 2025 totaled $8.8 million, growth of 95% from $4.5 million in the prior year's second quarter, and growth of 18% sequentially compared to $7.5 million in the first quarter of 2025. System revenue for the second quarter was $3 million, and recurring revenue was $5.8 million compared to $0.2 million and $4.3 million in the prior year's second quarter. System revenue in the quarter reflects revenue recognition on a Genesis system and our first Genesis X system. Recurring revenue growth reflects the contribution of MAPiT catheters from last year's acquisition of APT, as well as initial sales of our robotically navigated MAGIC ablation catheter. Gross margin for the second quarter 2025 was 52% of revenue. Recurring revenue gross margin was 68%, and system gross margin was 22%. Gross margins remain impacted by acquisition-related accounting that temporarily reduces disposable margin and by fixed overhead allocated over low system production levels. Operating expenses in the quarter of $8.6 million included $2.6 million in non-cash charges for stock compensation expense, a favorable mark-to-market adjustment for acquisition-related contingent earnout consideration, and amortization of acquired intangible assets. Excluding these non-cash charges, adjusted operating expenses were $6 million compared to the prior year adjusted operating expenses of $6.8 million. Approximately half of the decline in adjusted operating expenses is from the receipt of an employee retention tax credit for the 2020 tax year, with the remaining decline due to natural reductions in R&D spending with the completion of certain larger projects. Operating loss and net loss in the second quarter of 2025 were $4 million and $3.8 million, compared with $6 million and $5.8 million in the previous year. Adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter, excluding non-cash charges, were $1.4 million and $1.3 million, compared with $3.5 million and $3.3 million in the previous year. Negative free cash flow for the second quarter was $3.7 million, compared to $3.1 million in the previous year. At June 30, Stereotaxis had cash and cash equivalents of $7 million and no debt. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, in July, Stereotaxis announced a registered direct offering for the sale of $12.5 million of its shares of common stock to a strategic industry partner and select institutional investors. A first closing of $8.5 million was completed in July, with the remaining $4 million to be completed in a second closing within four months. Incorporating the net proceeds from this offering, Stereotaxis would have $18.8 million in cash and no debt. I will now hand the call back to David. Thank you, Kim. As mentioned in our press release, we are reiterating our revenue guidance of double-digit revenue growth for the full year 2025, with system revenue in any given quarter fluctuating between approximately $2 million-$3 million and recurring revenue scaling to approximately $7 million in the fourth quarter. Our revenue expectations assume only modest contributions from Genesis X and no system revenue from China. We have demonstrated the ability to launch new technologies while maintaining stable operating expenses. Our recently completed equity financing offers us a stronger balance sheet with which to accelerate adoption of our comprehensive innovation strategy as the puzzle pieces come together, and we are preparing for a full launch. We expect to launch our new technologies with a balanced focus on accelerating growth while also ensuring improved margins, earnings accretion, and achievement of profitability. We will now take your questions. Operator, can you please open the line to Q&A? Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress. Great to see. David, maybe we can start on kind of your closing remarks there and a little bit of discussion around the financing and kind of how you're thinking about use of proceeds. The portfolio has obviously transformed a lot here over the past 12-18 months and kind of a complete refresh. Will you, I think you've run pretty lean from a commercial standpoint historically. Will you start to build up the sales force to push more aggressively? Maybe just talk about the commercial strategy there with the new products in hand. If you could provide some kind of headcount figures too, that would be appreciated. Thanks. Sure. Thanks a lot, Adam, for the questions. Good afternoon. It's great questions. We obviously, this is the year in which we are getting regulatory approvals and starting the initial launches of many technologies as described in the prepared remarks, both capital systems and then several catheters in the EP space and outside of the EP. That is kind of exciting for our sales team and for us as a company. We have a good existing commercial team direct in both the U.S., Europe, and even have direct sales members in Asia. In total, the commercial team numbers about 40 people, of which about 20 are in the U.S., 15 are in Europe, and five are in Asia. That spans clinical support and capital sales and sales management and training. That's kind of the broader commercial team with the predominant focus on the clinical side. We have demonstrated, I believe, that seemed pretty nicely that both with the Map-iT catheters since the acquisition of APT a year ago and more recently with the MAGIC catheters, and we're seeing already the start of activity with MAGIC Sweep very quickly after the regulatory approval, that our team has the ability to do much more than what historically they were doing. In some ways, it's not just adding additional work to them. It makes their work much more successful, and it contributes to the success of their work. I think there's a lot of synergy to the product portfolio and the way it's coming together in allowing each of the team members to actually be much more successful than what they've been historically. It's very synergistic, all of these product approvals and the addition of them to their bag. With that said, I know that we have a relatively lean team, and we could increase our team significantly. There's going to be a balanced approach between, on the one hand, during the initial launch stage, our existing team is fantastic and able to do everything with the products that are gaining approval and starting to launch. As we start to see traction at individual accounts, we definitely plan to shift gradually to the model of having one clinical rep per hospital rather than our current model where we have about one clinical rep for every three or four hospitals. That will allow us to go much deeper in terms of utilization and provide much better support. The revenue model with our own proprietary catheters allows that model to be very attractive and sustainable. That's definitely a model that we're going to be implementing both in Europe and the U.S. as we gain the regulatory approvals. I think we can do that in an accretive way so we can build up the sales force while the adoption of these new catheters is growing, and that all can happen accretively. We will be reinvesting a lot of incremental gross profit and operating profit from these catheters back into the sales team for that growth. On the capital side, we have a very lean team. They've been able to continue a relatively steady tempo of Genesis orders and sales. As we have Genesis X transitioning to a full launch later this year, we'd probably invest a couple million dollars in a more robust dedicated capital team both in Europe and the U.S. That should allow us to see capital sales next year growing very significantly. That's kind of our overall high-level plan. I hope that gave enough color to help you. That was fantastic. Thank you for the detailed response, David. For the follow-up, I'll ask about Europe and the catheter business. Two-part question, I guess. You know, first, you talked a little bit about the progress that MAGIC ablation catheter is making in Europe in terms of account penetration. Could you just maybe double-click on how your customers are using the MAGIC ablation catheter? Is it still largely SVT, VT, or are they doing, you know, kind of broader, more simple cases as well? Just quickly, Genesis Sweep the mapping catheter, just OUS timelines there, and I'll drop back into queue. Thank you. Sure. Thanks. MAGIC in Europe, we talked about approximately 30% of our European accounts have now started to use MAGIC in procedures. That's up from about 20% when we talked last quarter. We see kind of steady, it's amazing the administrative burdens in various countries in Europe and how just getting through tenders and getting on contract in certain countries and certain hospitals just takes, it's kind of an administrative grind. We are working on many of those in tandem. I kind of see that percentage very naturally increasing month-by-month. We see usage of MAGIC so far across the full breadth of procedures. You're correct that predominantly our robot has been used and is being used to treat more complex arrhythmias, VTs, PVCs, congenital patients. We've seen MAGIC being used already in AF, in AVNRTs, AVRTs, flutters. Really kind of across the spectrum from the simpler cases to the most complex. That's obviously been nice to see that usage and to see the value that the catheter can provide across a broader spectrum of procedures. In Europe, we have a very broad label for ablation in all four chambers of the heart. That obviously supports kind of a broad utilization across the spectrum. We're still in the earlier stages of this launch, right? The second quarter was our first real quarter of sales and revenue. I don't have any statistics yet on how MAGIC will grow utilization at individual accounts. Obviously, as we penetrate further in these accounts and go more broadly across all of the accounts in Europe, I do expect MAGIC to have a positive halo effect on overall utilization. If we step back, your second question was related to, I remember, MAGIC Sweep and European regulatory timeline. There was something else that I'm now missing. On the Europe MAGIC Sweep, we talked about still getting a clearance in Europe this quarter. That's our expectation. It obviously depends on the notified body. As we know more, we will share more. That's perfect. Thanks again. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Frank Takkinen with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Great. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress in the next quarter. I was hoping to start with some additional color on MAGIC FDA interactions. Appreciate the update you provided today, but maybe help us understand kind of how long some of these interactions could take with the FDA, when those could be submitted, and then the timeline from when those are submitted, answered, and then hearing back, just bridging us from kind of where we are today to that second half approval. Okay. Sure. FDA does professional diligent work in its reviews. We see that across all of our submissions. They're very much active and kind of fulfill their professional mandate in reviewing submissions. We have been working with FDA very collaboratively in a lot of back and forth on the many topics that are part of the PMA submission and PMA approval process. I mentioned in the prepared remarks that we are predominantly working through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and GMP, good manufacturing practices. That's where most of the effort is. We submitted clinical data from the ongoing trial in Europe in the second quarter. Overall, there is a regular tempo of interaction between FDA and us. We feel given that tempo and given the type of commentary from the ongoing discussions that approval in the second half of this year still makes a lot of sense. I think FDA is also aware of that and of the importance of this catheter to U.S. patients and U.S. physicians who benefit from robotics. We're just grinding through the process and have appreciated the collaborative nature of FDA in this process. Got it. That's helpful. Maybe just sizing up Sweep in the U.S. a little bit more. Happy to hear that's off to a strong start, but maybe talk about kind of what that can contribute per procedure, how many of your current cases today may use the catheter, and then just kind of extrapolating that into how much revenue that could contribute. Sure. High-density mapping catheters are typically priced north of $2,000 per procedure, and you should expect kind of similar numbers for us. I'd say that high-density mapping is probably used in the majority, and the majority probably means somewhere in the 70% or so, perhaps a little bit more than that percentage of the procedures that we see on our robot. It's not every procedure, but it's a significant number of them. I think that kind of one of the big benefits of MAGIC Sweep, though, is not just having it used in our existing procedures. This is really, if you think about our existing utilization and our core business, it has been predicated on still a catheter that is by now 20 years old with no catheter innovation for these physician users for many, many years, essentially since they started using us. This is a significant opportunity, I think, to have them rethink how they do workflow and to kind of have other benefits from the robot beyond what they've historically experienced. I think this is a real opportunity also to grow utilization, to engage with physicians at existing sites that perhaps historically weren't using our robot as much. I think that there's going to be a broader benefit beyond just the step up in revenue per procedure. Perfect. Really helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn it back to David Fischel for closing remarks. Okay. Thank you very much for your questions and for your continued support. We look forward to working hard on your behalf and speaking again soon. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.
Speaker 2: Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for Stereotaxis' Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Strengthened statements during the conference call and question and answer period to follow may relate to future events, expectations, and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance, or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company's executives may make today. These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report of Form 10-K or 10-Q. We assume no duty to update these statements. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. The floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation. Good afternoon. good afternoon Thank you for joining us for Stereotaxis' Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. thank you for joining us for stereotaxis' second quarter 2025 earnings conference call Strengthened statements during the conference call and question and answer period to follow may relate to future events, expectations, and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. strengthened statements during the conference call and question and answer period to follow may relate to future events expectations and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private securities litigation reform act of 1995 Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance, or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company's executives may make today. such statements involve known and unknown risks uncertainties and other factors which may cause the actual results performance or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company's executives may make today These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report of Form 10-K or 10-Q. these risks are described in detail in our public filings with the securities and exchange commission including our latest periodic report of form 10-k or 10-q We assume no duty to update these statements. we assume no duty to update these statements At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. at this time all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode The floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation. the floor will be open for questions and comments following the presentation As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. David Fischel, Chairman and CEO of Stereotaxis. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. as a reminder today's call is being recorded It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. David Fischel, Chairman and CEO of Stereotaxis. it is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host mr david fischel chairman and ceo of stereotaxis
Speaker 5: Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. We've described this year as a pivotal, milestone-rich year in which we advance a broad portfolio of strategic innovations to market and demonstrate their initial commercial impact. We're diligently executing on multiple fronts, and I'm pleased with our results. From both a regulatory and commercial perspective, our results are in line with the guidance provided at the start of this year. I'll keep our prepared remarks brief, providing updates on our key innovation and commercial efforts. As a reminder, our innovation strategy rests on four primary pillars. First, making our robot widely available by innovating it such that it doesn't require construction and can be rapidly installed in the majority of labs. Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. thank you operator and good afternoon everyone We've described this year as a pivotal, milestone-rich year in which we advance a broad portfolio of strategic innovations to market and demonstrate their initial commercial impact. we've described this year as a pivotal milestone-rich year in which we advance a broad portfolio of strategic innovations to market and demonstrate their initial commercial impact We're diligently executing on multiple fronts, and I'm pleased with our results. we're diligently executing on multiple fronts and i'm pleased with our results From both a regulatory and commercial perspective, our results are in line with the guidance provided at the start of this year. from both a regulatory and commercial perspective our results are in line with the guidance provided at the start of this year I'll keep our prepared remarks brief, providing updates on our key innovation and commercial efforts. i'll keep our prepared remarks brief providing updates on our key innovation and commercial efforts As a reminder, our innovation strategy rests on four primary pillars. as a reminder our innovation strategy rests on four primary pillars First, making our robot widely available by innovating it such that it doesn't require construction and can be rapidly installed in the majority of labs. first making our robot widely available by innovating it such that it doesn't require construction and can be rapidly installed in the majority of labs Second, building an ecosystem of catheters and integrations in our core EP ablation market so physicians have greater choice in technologies while we reduce our dependencies and build an attractive razor blade business. Third, developing the right interventional devices so that our robots become a platform for endovascular surgery more broadly, providing value in several new clinical indications. Fourth, establishing a digital backbone that introduces connectivity and AI to our robot and the broader cath lab environment. Genesis X is the key technological innovation enabling robotics to be more broadly accessible. We received CE Mark in Europe and have been working through the regulatory process for FDA clearance in the U.S. On our last call, we described having addressed the vast majority of FDA's questions and that we received additional questions on a few final topics. Second, building an ecosystem of catheters and integrations in our core EP ablation market so physicians have greater choice in technologies while we reduce our dependencies and build an attractive razor blade business. second building an ecosystem of catheters and integrations in our core ep ablation market so physicians have greater choice in technologies while we reduce our dependencies and build an attractive razor blade business Third, developing the right interventional devices so that our robots become a platform for endovascular surgery more broadly, providing value in several new clinical indications. third developing the right interventional devices so that our robots become a platform for endovascular surgery more broadly providing value in several new clinical indications Fourth, establishing a digital backbone that introduces connectivity and AI to our robot and the broader cath lab environment. fourth establishing a digital backbone that introduces connectivity and ai to our robot and the broader cath lab environment Genesis X is the key technological innovation enabling robotics to be more broadly accessible. genesis x is the key technological innovation enabling robotics to be more broadly accessible We received CE Mark in Europe and have been working through the regulatory process for FDA clearance in the U.S. we received ce mark in europe and have been working through the regulatory process for fda clearance in the u.s On our last call, we described having addressed the vast majority of FDA's questions and that we received additional questions on a few final topics. on our last call we described having addressed the vast majority of fda's questions and that we received additional questions on a few final topics We addressed these topics in a submission to the FDA late in the second quarter and view regulatory approval of Genesis X as likely still this summer. Concurrent with the regulatory effort, we are working to enhance compatibility of the robot with various X-rays and preparing our supply chain, manufacturing, installation, and commercial processes for a full launch. We successfully completed transfer to manufacturing of Genesis X in the second quarter, manufacturing the first commercial Genesis X system. That system is expected to be installed at our first customer in Europe as soon as they complete installation of an X-ray in their lab as they are placing Genesis X in a newly built cath lab. We expect to demonstrate Genesis X working in daily clinical use in one or two hospitals still this year, upon which we should be ready for full launch in Europe and the U.S. We addressed these topics in a submission to the FDA late in the second quarter and view regulatory approval of Genesis X as likely still this summer. we addressed these topics in a submission to the fda late in the second quarter and view regulatory approval of genesis x as likely still this summer Concurrent with the regulatory effort, we are working to enhance compatibility of the robot with various X-rays and preparing our supply chain, manufacturing, installation, and commercial processes for a full launch. concurrent with the regulatory effort we are working to enhance compatibility of the robot with various x-rays and preparing our supply chain manufacturing installation and commercial processes for a full launch We successfully completed transfer to manufacturing of Genesis X in the second quarter, manufacturing the first commercial Genesis X system. we successfully completed transfer to manufacturing of genesis x in the second quarter manufacturing the first commercial genesis x system That system is expected to be installed at our first customer in Europe as soon as they complete installation of an X-ray in their lab as they are placing Genesis X in a newly built cath lab. that system is expected to be installed at our first customer in europe as soon as they complete installation of an x-ray in their lab as they are placing genesis x in a newly built cath lab We expect to demonstrate Genesis X working in daily clinical use in one or two hospitals still this year, upon which we should be ready for full launch in Europe and the U.S. we expect to demonstrate genesis x working in daily clinical use in one or two hospitals still this year upon which we should be ready for full launch in europe and the u.s We continue to see steady demand for Genesis, but expect Genesis X orders to outpace the tempo of Genesis orders following full launch. Our effort to build an ecosystem of proprietary EP catheters in our core EP ablation market has seen two significant regulatory milestones so far this year: CE Mark of the MAGIC ablation catheter during the first quarter and FDA clearance of the MAGIC Sweep high-density mapping catheter just a couple of weeks ago. We've talked about the importance and impact of MAGIC on previous calls. In line with our guidance, MAGIC contributed approximately a couple hundred thousand dollars in revenue from initial European customers during the second quarter. Initial procedures have now taken place at approximately 30% of our EU accounts, and administrative efforts at others are ongoing. We continue to work on FDA approval for MAGIC and maintain a continuous dialogue with FDA. We continue to see steady demand for Genesis, but expect Genesis X orders to outpace the tempo of Genesis orders following full launch. we continue to see steady demand for genesis but expect genesis x orders to outpace the tempo of genesis orders following full launch Our effort to build an ecosystem of proprietary EP catheters in our core EP ablation market has seen two significant regulatory milestones so far this year: CE Mark of the MAGIC ablation catheter during the first quarter and FDA clearance of the MAGIC Sweep high-density mapping catheter just a couple of weeks ago. our effort to build an ecosystem of proprietary ep catheters in our core ep ablation market has seen two significant regulatory milestones so far this year ce mark of the magic ablation catheter during the first quarter and fda clearance of the magic sweep high-density mapping catheter just a couple of weeks ago We've talked about the importance and impact of MAGIC on previous calls. we've talked about the importance and impact of magic on previous calls In line with our guidance, MAGIC contributed approximately a couple hundred thousand dollars in revenue from initial European customers during the second quarter. in line with our guidance magic contributed approximately a couple hundred thousand dollars in revenue from initial european customers during the second quarter Initial procedures have now taken place at approximately 30% of our EU accounts, and administrative efforts at others are ongoing. initial procedures have now taken place at approximately 30% of our eu accounts and administrative efforts at others are ongoing We continue to work on FDA approval for MAGIC and maintain a continuous dialogue with FDA. we continue to work on fda approval for magic and maintain a continuous dialogue with fda FDA received formal clinical results from our ongoing MAGIC study in the second quarter, and we are working with FDA through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and manufacturing practices. We continue to expect U.S. regulatory approval of MAGIC later this year. U.S. regulatory clearance of MAGIC Sweep was a major milestone for Stereotaxis. We discussed on a previous call the impact of high-density mapping on the EP field and why a robotic HD mapping catheter is a significant opportunity to positively impact physicians' clinical results and workflow, the relevance of robotics in EP, and our commercial results. Prominent KOLs were quoted in the press release announcing Sweep's clearance, describing the importance of the catheter and how the lack of a mapping catheter has held back overall adoption of robotics. FDA received formal clinical results from our ongoing MAGIC study in the second quarter, and we are working with FDA through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and manufacturing practices. fda received formal clinical results from our ongoing magic study in the second quarter and we are working with fda through a body of questions on sterility biocompatibility and manufacturing practices We continue to expect U.S. regulatory approval of MAGIC later this year. we continue to expect u.s regulatory approval of magic later this year U.S. regulatory clearance of MAGIC Sweep was a major milestone for Stereotaxis. u.s regulatory clearance of magic sweep was a major milestone for stereotaxis We discussed on a previous call the impact of high-density mapping on the EP field and why a robotic HD mapping catheter is a significant opportunity to positively impact physicians' clinical results and workflow, the relevance of robotics in EP, and our commercial results. we discussed on a previous call the impact of high-density mapping on the ep field and why a robotic hd mapping catheter is a significant opportunity to positively impact physicians' clinical results and workflow the relevance of robotics in ep and our commercial results Prominent KOLs were quoted in the press release announcing Sweep's clearance, describing the importance of the catheter and how the lack of a mapping catheter has held back overall adoption of robotics. prominent kols were quoted in the press release announcing sweep's clearance describing the importance of the catheter and how the lack of a mapping catheter has held back overall adoption of robotics MAGIC Sweep promises rapid and detailed electroanatomical mapping with the precision and inherent safety of our technology, the ability to map otherwise difficult-to-reach areas of the heart, and more anatomically accurate maps by avoiding distension caused by rigid catheters. There are many EPs who think similar to those KOLs and are excited to use the catheter. We're already working through hospital administrative processes at several hospitals that will be the first users of the catheter and expect usage at multiple accounts this quarter. We expect the combination of MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep to increase our disposable revenue per procedure significantly and to expand our user base and robotic utilization. Stepping back, FDA clearance of MAGIC Sweep is reflective of a major strategic transformation underway. It's the first FDA clearance Stereotaxis has received for a catheter in nearly 20 years. MAGIC Sweep promises rapid and detailed electroanatomical mapping with the precision and inherent safety of our technology, the ability to map otherwise difficult-to-reach areas of the heart, and more anatomically accurate maps by avoiding distension caused by rigid catheters. magic sweep promises rapid and detailed electroanatomical mapping with the precision and inherent safety of our technology the ability to map otherwise difficult-to-reach areas of the heart and more anatomically accurate maps by avoiding distension caused by rigid catheters There are many EPs who think similar to those KOLs and are excited to use the catheter. there are many eps who think similar to those kols and are excited to use the catheter We're already working through hospital administrative processes at several hospitals that will be the first users of the catheter and expect usage at multiple accounts this quarter. we're already working through hospital administrative processes at several hospitals that will be the first users of the catheter and expect usage at multiple accounts this quarter We expect the combination of MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep to increase our disposable revenue per procedure significantly and to expand our user base and robotic utilization. we expect the combination of magic and magic sweep to increase our disposable revenue per procedure significantly and to expand our user base and robotic utilization Stepping back, FDA clearance of MAGIC Sweep is reflective of a major strategic transformation underway. stepping back fda clearance of magic sweep is reflective of a major strategic transformation underway It's the first FDA clearance Stereotaxis has received for a catheter in nearly 20 years. it's the first fda clearance stereotaxis has received for a catheter in nearly 20 years It demonstrates the foresight of our strategy to bring catheter development and manufacturing expertise in-house with the acquisition of APT last year. It's a tangible reflection of our progress building a robust ecosystem of robotically navigated interventional devices, a strategy that provides a much more attractive technological and commercial foundation for growth. It is even more exciting that this is just one of several proprietary catheters we are advancing to market across key geographies this year. In addition to MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep, we've developed a portfolio of catheters and wires that enable our robot to provide value in several new clinical indications. We submitted the Imagine catheter for regulatory approval earlier this year and continue to expect clearance this quarter. Following clearance, we look forward to beginning the process of demonstrating that our robot can serve as a broad platform for endovascular surgery. It demonstrates the foresight of our strategy to bring catheter development and manufacturing expertise in-house with the acquisition of APT last year. it demonstrates the foresight of our strategy to bring catheter development and manufacturing expertise in-house with the acquisition of apt last year It's a tangible reflection of our progress building a robust ecosystem of robotically navigated interventional devices, a strategy that provides a much more attractive technological and commercial foundation for growth. it's a tangible reflection of our progress building a robust ecosystem of robotically navigated interventional devices a strategy that provides a much more attractive technological and commercial foundation for growth It is even more exciting that this is just one of several proprietary catheters we are advancing to market across key geographies this year. it is even more exciting that this is just one of several proprietary catheters we are advancing to market across key geographies this year In addition to MAGIC and MAGIC Sweep, we've developed a portfolio of catheters and wires that enable our robot to provide value in several new clinical indications. in addition to magic and magic sweep we've developed a portfolio of catheters and wires that enable our robot to provide value in several new clinical indications We submitted the Imagine catheter for regulatory approval earlier this year and continue to expect clearance this quarter. we submitted the imagine catheter for regulatory approval earlier this year and continue to expect clearance this quarter Following clearance, we look forward to beginning the process of demonstrating that our robot can serve as a broad platform for endovascular surgery. following clearance we look forward to beginning the process of demonstrating that our robot can serve as a broad platform for endovascular surgery We have initial physician interest in working with us to pioneer use across several neurointerventional, interventional cardiology, and interventional radiology procedures. We expect that following regulatory clearance, we'll have several quarters of clinical updates demonstrating initial use and clinical value in these procedures. This transition of Stereotaxis from a single application robot to a platform endovascular robot is a significant driver of strategic value and ultimately increases our total addressable market multiple fold. The final significant innovation effort nearing regulatory milestones is our digital surgery platform that enables operating room connectivity and smart AI capabilities in the cath lab. Synchrony and Sync digitize the various disparate systems in the cath lab, allow for seamless control of all those systems from a consolidated cockpit, offer modern cloud-based connectivity between the lab and the external world, and provide attractive opportunities for smart AI features to be integrated into the operating room. We have initial physician interest in working with us to pioneer use across several neurointerventional, interventional cardiology, and interventional radiology procedures. we have initial physician interest in working with us to pioneer use across several neurointerventional interventional cardiology and interventional radiology procedures We expect that following regulatory clearance, we'll have several quarters of clinical updates demonstrating initial use and clinical value in these procedures. we expect that following regulatory clearance we'll have several quarters of clinical updates demonstrating initial use and clinical value in these procedures This transition of Stereotaxis from a single application robot to a platform endovascular robot is a significant driver of strategic value and ultimately increases our total addressable market multiple fold. this transition of stereotaxis from a single application robot to a platform endovascular robot is a significant driver of strategic value and ultimately increases our total addressable market multiple fold The final significant innovation effort nearing regulatory milestones is our digital surgery platform that enables operating room connectivity and smart AI capabilities in the cath lab. the final significant innovation effort nearing regulatory milestones is our digital surgery platform that enables operating room connectivity and smart ai capabilities in the cath lab Synchrony and Sync digitize the various disparate systems in the cath lab, allow for seamless control of all those systems from a consolidated cockpit, offer modern cloud-based connectivity between the lab and the external world, and provide attractive opportunities for smart AI features to be integrated into the operating room. synchrony and sync digitize the various disparate systems in the cath lab allow for seamless control of all those systems from a consolidated cockpit offer modern cloud-based connectivity between the lab and the external world and provide attractive opportunities for smart ai features to be integrated into the operating room The technology has been designed for use with our robot, but also as a very attractive independent offering across non-robotic cath labs. We've completed all regulatory testing for Synchrony and expect to submit it for FDA clearance and declare CE Mark in Europe very shortly. During the recently completed second quarter, we began limited commercialization of just the first technologies in this comprehensive innovation strategy. Our results in the quarter benefited from revenue recognition on the first Genesis X system and initial MAGIC sales in Europe. These launches will accelerate, and as we achieve additional regulatory milestones, we will benefit from the layering of additional growth tailwinds. While these innovations are modestly contributing to system and recurring revenue in 2025, they set us up for breakout growth as we look towards 2026. The technology has been designed for use with our robot, but also as a very attractive independent offering across non-robotic cath labs. the technology has been designed for use with our robot but also as a very attractive independent offering across non-robotic cath labs We've completed all regulatory testing for Synchrony and expect to submit it for FDA clearance and declare CE Mark in Europe very shortly. we've completed all regulatory testing for synchrony and expect to submit it for fda clearance and declare ce mark in europe very shortly During the recently completed second quarter, we began limited commercialization of just the first technologies in this comprehensive innovation strategy. during the recently completed second quarter we began limited commercialization of just the first technologies in this comprehensive innovation strategy Our results in the quarter benefited from revenue recognition on the first Genesis X system and initial MAGIC sales in Europe. our results in the quarter benefited from revenue recognition on the first genesis x system and initial magic sales in europe These launches will accelerate, and as we achieve additional regulatory milestones, we will benefit from the layering of additional growth tailwinds. these launches will accelerate and as we achieve additional regulatory milestones we will benefit from the layering of additional growth tailwinds While these innovations are modestly contributing to system and recurring revenue in 2025, they set us up for breakout growth as we look towards 2026. while these innovations are modestly contributing to system and recurring revenue in 2025 they set us up for breakout growth as we look towards 2026 Kim will now provide additional commentary on our financial results, and then I'll make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to Q&A. Kim? Kim will now provide additional commentary on our financial results, and then I'll make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to Q&A. kim will now provide additional commentary on our financial results and then i'll make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to q&a Kim? kim
Speaker 3: Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Revenue for the second quarter of 2025 totaled $8.8 million, growth of 95% from $4.5 million in the prior year's second quarter, and growth of 18% sequentially compared to $7.5 million in the first quarter of 2025. System revenue for the second quarter was $3 million, and recurring revenue was $5.8 million compared to $0.2 million and $4.3 million in the prior year's second quarter. System revenue in the quarter reflects revenue recognition on a Genesis system and our first Genesis X system. Recurring revenue growth reflects the contribution of MAPiT catheters from last year's acquisition of APT, as well as initial sales of our robotically navigated MAGIC ablation catheter. Gross margin for the second quarter 2025 was 52% of revenue. Recurring revenue gross margin was 68%, and system gross margin was 22%. Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. thank you david and good afternoon everyone Revenue for the second quarter of 2025 totaled $8.8 million, growth of 95% from $4.5 million in the prior year's second quarter, and growth of 18% sequentially compared to $7.5 million in the first quarter of 2025. revenue for the second quarter of 2025 totaled $8.8 million growth of 95% from $4.5 million in the prior year's second quarter and growth of 18% sequentially compared to $7.5 million in the first quarter of 2025 System revenue for the second quarter was $3 million, and recurring revenue was $5.8 million compared to $0.2 million and $4.3 million in the prior year's second quarter. system revenue for the second quarter was $3 million and recurring revenue was $5.8 million compared to $0.2 million and $4.3 million in the prior year's second quarter System revenue in the quarter reflects revenue recognition on a Genesis system and our first Genesis X system. system revenue in the quarter reflects revenue recognition on a genesis system and our first genesis x system Recurring revenue growth reflects the contribution of MAPiT catheters from last year's acquisition of APT, as well as initial sales of our robotically navigated MAGIC ablation catheter. recurring revenue growth reflects the contribution of mapit catheters from last year's acquisition of apt as well as initial sales of our robotically navigated magic ablation catheter Gross margin for the second quarter 2025 was 52% of revenue. gross margin for the second quarter 2025 was 52% of revenue Recurring revenue gross margin was 68%, and system gross margin was 22%. recurring revenue gross margin was 68% and system gross margin was 22% Gross margins remain impacted by acquisition-related accounting that temporarily reduces disposable margin and by fixed overhead allocated over low system production levels. Operating expenses in the quarter of $8.6 million included $2.6 million in non-cash charges for stock compensation expense, a favorable mark-to-market adjustment for acquisition-related contingent earnout consideration, and amortization of acquired intangible assets. Excluding these non-cash charges, adjusted operating expenses were $6 million compared to the prior year adjusted operating expenses of $6.8 million. Approximately half of the decline in adjusted operating expenses is from the receipt of an employee retention tax credit for the 2020 tax year, with the remaining decline due to natural reductions in R&D spending with the completion of certain larger projects. Operating loss and net loss in the second quarter of 2025 were $4 million and $3.8 million, compared with $6 million and $5.8 million in the previous year. Gross margins remain impacted by acquisition-related accounting that temporarily reduces disposable margin and by fixed overhead allocated over low system production levels. gross margins remain impacted by acquisition-related accounting that temporarily reduces disposable margin and by fixed overhead allocated over low system production levels Operating expenses in the quarter of $8.6 million included $2.6 million in non-cash charges for stock compensation expense, a favorable mark-to-market adjustment for acquisition-related contingent earnout consideration, and amortization of acquired intangible assets. operating expenses in the quarter of $8.6 million included $2.6 million in non-cash charges for stock compensation expense a favorable mark-to-market adjustment for acquisition-related contingent earnout consideration and amortization of acquired intangible assets Excluding these non-cash charges, adjusted operating expenses were $6 million compared to the prior year adjusted operating expenses of $6.8 million. excluding these non-cash charges adjusted operating expenses were $6 million compared to the prior year adjusted operating expenses of $6.8 million Approximately half of the decline in adjusted operating expenses is from the receipt of an employee retention tax credit for the 2020 tax year, with the remaining decline due to natural reductions in R&D spending with the completion of certain larger projects. approximately half of the decline in adjusted operating expenses is from the receipt of an employee retention tax credit for the 2020 tax year with the remaining decline due to natural reductions in r&d spending with the completion of certain larger projects Operating loss and net loss in the second quarter of 2025 were $4 million and $3.8 million, compared with $6 million and $5.8 million in the previous year. operating loss and net loss in the second quarter of 2025 were $4 million and $3.8 million compared with $6 million and $5.8 million in the previous year Adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter, excluding non-cash charges, were $1.4 million and $1.3 million, compared with $3.5 million and $3.3 million in the previous year. Negative free cash flow for the second quarter was $3.7 million, compared to $3.1 million in the previous year. At June 30, Stereotaxis had cash and cash equivalents of $7 million and no debt. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, in July, Stereotaxis announced a registered direct offering for the sale of $12.5 million of its shares of common stock to a strategic industry partner and select institutional investors. A first closing of $8.5 million was completed in July, with the remaining $4 million to be completed in a second closing within four months. Incorporating the net proceeds from this offering, Stereotaxis would have $18.8 million in cash and no debt. Adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter, excluding non-cash charges, were $1.4 million and $1.3 million, compared with $3.5 million and $3.3 million in the previous year. adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter excluding non-cash charges were $1.4 million and $1.3 million compared with $3.5 million and $3.3 million in the previous year Negative free cash flow for the second quarter was $3.7 million, compared to $3.1 million in the previous year. negative free cash flow for the second quarter was $3.7 million compared to $3.1 million in the previous year At June 30, Stereotaxis had cash and cash equivalents of $7 million and no debt. at june 30 stereotaxis had cash and cash equivalents of $7 million and no debt Subsequent to the end of the quarter, in July, Stereotaxis announced a registered direct offering for the sale of $12.5 million of its shares of common stock to a strategic industry partner and select institutional investors. subsequent to the end of the quarter in july stereotaxis announced a registered direct offering for the sale of $12.5 million of its shares of common stock to a strategic industry partner and select institutional investors A first closing of $8.5 million was completed in July, with the remaining $4 million to be completed in a second closing within four months. a first closing of $8.5 million was completed in july with the remaining $4 million to be completed in a second closing within four months Incorporating the net proceeds from this offering, Stereotaxis would have $18.8 million in cash and no debt. incorporating the net proceeds from this offering stereotaxis would have $18.8 million in cash and no debt I will now hand the call back to David. I will now hand the call back to David. i will now hand the call back to david
Speaker 5: Thank you, Kim. As mentioned in our press release, we are reiterating our revenue guidance of double-digit revenue growth for the full year 2025, with system revenue in any given quarter fluctuating between approximately $2 million-$3 million and recurring revenue scaling to approximately $7 million in the fourth quarter. Our revenue expectations assume only modest contributions from Genesis X and no system revenue from China. We have demonstrated the ability to launch new technologies while maintaining stable operating expenses. Our recently completed equity financing offers us a stronger balance sheet with which to accelerate adoption of our comprehensive innovation strategy as the puzzle pieces come together, and we are preparing for a full launch. We expect to launch our new technologies with a balanced focus on accelerating growth while also ensuring improved margins, earnings accretion, and achievement of profitability. We will now take your questions. Thank you, Kim. thank you kim As mentioned in our press release, we are reiterating our revenue guidance of double-digit revenue growth for the full year 2025, with system revenue in any given quarter fluctuating between approximately $2 million- $3 million and recurring revenue scaling to approximately $7 million in the fourth quarter. as mentioned in our press release we are reiterating our revenue guidance of double-digit revenue growth for the full year 2025 with system revenue in any given quarter fluctuating between approximately $2 million- $3 million and recurring revenue scaling to approximately $7 million in the fourth quarter Our revenue expectations assume only modest contributions from Genesis X and no system revenue from China. our revenue expectations assume only modest contributions from genesis x and no system revenue from china We have demonstrated the ability to launch new technologies while maintaining stable operating expenses. we have demonstrated the ability to launch new technologies while maintaining stable operating expenses Our recently completed equity financing offers us a stronger balance sheet with which to accelerate adoption of our comprehensive innovation strategy as the puzzle pieces come together, and we are preparing for a full launch. our recently completed equity financing offers us a stronger balance sheet with which to accelerate adoption of our comprehensive innovation strategy as the puzzle pieces come together and we are preparing for a full launch We expect to launch our new technologies with a balanced focus on accelerating growth while also ensuring improved margins, earnings accretion, and achievement of profitability. we expect to launch our new technologies with a balanced focus on accelerating growth while also ensuring improved margins earnings accretion and achievement of profitability We will now take your questions. we will now take your questions Operator, can you please open the line to Q&A? Operator, can you please open the line to Q&A? operator can you please open the line to q&a
Speaker 2: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Thank you. thank you We will now begin the question and answer session. we will now begin the question and answer session At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. at this time i would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question press star then the number one on your telephone keypad We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and one follow-up. we do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and one follow-up Your first question comes from the line of Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler. your first question comes from the line of adam maeder with piper sandler Your line is open. your line is open
Speaker 4: Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress. Great to see. David, maybe we can start on kind of your closing remarks there and a little bit of discussion around the financing and kind of how you're thinking about use of proceeds. The portfolio has obviously transformed a lot here over the past 12-18 months and kind of a complete refresh. Will you, I think you've run pretty lean from a commercial standpoint historically. Will you start to build up the sales force to push more aggressively? Maybe just talk about the commercial strategy there with the new products in hand. If you could provide some kind of headcount figures too, that would be appreciated. Thanks. Hi, good afternoon. hi good afternoon Thank you for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress. thank you for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress Great to see. great to see David, maybe we can start on kind of your closing remarks there and a little bit of discussion around the financing and kind of how you're thinking about use of proceeds. david maybe we can start on kind of your closing remarks there and a little bit of discussion around the financing and kind of how you're thinking about use of proceeds The portfolio has obviously transformed a lot here over the past 12- 18 months and kind of a complete refresh. the portfolio has obviously transformed a lot here over the past 12- 18 months and kind of a complete refresh Will you, I think you've run pretty lean from a commercial standpoint historically. will you i think you've run pretty lean from a commercial standpoint historically Will you start to build up the sales force to push more aggressively? will you start to build up the sales force to push more aggressively Maybe just talk about the commercial strategy there with the new products in hand. maybe just talk about the commercial strategy there with the new products in hand If you could provide some kind of headcount figures too, that would be appreciated. if you could provide some kind of headcount figures too that would be appreciated Thanks. thanks
Speaker 5: Sure. Thanks a lot, Adam, for the questions. Good afternoon. It's great questions. We obviously, this is the year in which we are getting regulatory approvals and starting the initial launches of many technologies as described in the prepared remarks, both capital systems and then several catheters in the EP space and outside of the EP. That is kind of exciting for our sales team and for us as a company. We have a good existing commercial team direct in both the U.S., Europe, and even have direct sales members in Asia. In total, the commercial team numbers about 40 people, of which about 20 are in the U.S., 15 are in Europe, and five are in Asia. That spans clinical support and capital sales and sales management and training. That's kind of the broader commercial team with the predominant focus on the clinical side. Sure. sure Thanks a lot, Adam, for the questions. thanks a lot adam for the questions Good afternoon. good afternoon It's great questions. it's great questions We obviously, this is the year in which we are getting regulatory approvals and starting the initial launches of many technologies as described in the prepared remarks, both capital systems and then several catheters in the EP space and outside of the EP. we obviously this is the year in which we are getting regulatory approvals and starting the initial launches of many technologies as described in the prepared remarks both capital systems and then several catheters in the ep space and outside of the ep That is kind of exciting for our sales team and for us as a company. that is kind of exciting for our sales team and for us as a company We have a good existing commercial team direct in both the U.S., Europe, and even have direct sales members in Asia. we have a good existing commercial team direct in both the u.s europe and even have direct sales members in asia In total, the commercial team numbers about 40 people, of which about 20 are in the U.S., 15 are in Europe, and five are in Asia. in total the commercial team numbers about 40 people of which about 20 are in the u.s 15 are in europe and five are in asia That spans clinical support and capital sales and sales management and training. that spans clinical support and capital sales and sales management and training That's kind of the broader commercial team with the predominant focus on the clinical side. that's kind of the broader commercial team with the predominant focus on the clinical side We have demonstrated, I believe, that seemed pretty nicely that both with the Map-iT catheters since the acquisition of APT a year ago and more recently with the MAGIC catheters, and we're seeing already the start of activity with MAGIC Sweep very quickly after the regulatory approval, that our team has the ability to do much more than what historically they were doing. In some ways, it's not just adding additional work to them. It makes their work much more successful, and it contributes to the success of their work. I think there's a lot of synergy to the product portfolio and the way it's coming together in allowing each of the team members to actually be much more successful than what they've been historically. It's very synergistic, all of these product approvals and the addition of them to their bag. We have demonstrated, I believe, that seemed pretty nicely that both with the Map-iT catheters since the acquisition of APT a year ago and more recently with the MAGIC catheters, and we're seeing already the start of activity with MAGIC Sweep very quickly after the regulatory approval, that our team has the ability to do much more than what historically they were doing. we have demonstrated i believe that seemed pretty nicely that both with the map-it catheters since the acquisition of apt a year ago and more recently with the magic catheters and we're seeing already the start of activity with magic sweep very quickly after the regulatory approval that our team has the ability to do much more than what historically they were doing In some ways, it's not just adding additional work to them. in some ways it's not just adding additional work to them It makes their work much more successful, and it contributes to the success of their work. it makes their work much more successful and it contributes to the success of their work I think there's a lot of synergy to the product portfolio and the way it's coming together in allowing each of the team members to actually be much more successful than what they've been historically. i think there's a lot of synergy to the product portfolio and the way it's coming together in allowing each of the team members to actually be much more successful than what they've been historically It's very synergistic, all of these product approvals and the addition of them to their bag. it's very synergistic all of these product approvals and the addition of them to their bag With that said, I know that we have a relatively lean team, and we could increase our team significantly. There's going to be a balanced approach between, on the one hand, during the initial launch stage, our existing team is fantastic and able to do everything with the products that are gaining approval and starting to launch. As we start to see traction at individual accounts, we definitely plan to shift gradually to the model of having one clinical rep per hospital rather than our current model where we have about one clinical rep for every three or four hospitals. That will allow us to go much deeper in terms of utilization and provide much better support. The revenue model with our own proprietary catheters allows that model to be very attractive and sustainable. That's definitely a model that we're going to be implementing both in Europe and the U.S. With that said, I know that we have a relatively lean team, and we could increase our team significantly. with that said i know that we have a relatively lean team and we could increase our team significantly There's going to be a balanced approach between, on the one hand, during the initial launch stage, our existing team is fantastic and able to do everything with the products that are gaining approval and starting to launch. there's going to be a balanced approach between on the one hand during the initial launch stage our existing team is fantastic and able to do everything with the products that are gaining approval and starting to launch As we start to see traction at individual accounts, we definitely plan to shift gradually to the model of having one clinical rep per hospital rather than our current model where we have about one clinical rep for every three or four hospitals. as we start to see traction at individual accounts we definitely plan to shift gradually to the model of having one clinical rep per hospital rather than our current model where we have about one clinical rep for every three or four hospitals That will allow us to go much deeper in terms of utilization and provide much better support. that will allow us to go much deeper in terms of utilization and provide much better support The revenue model with our own proprietary catheters allows that model to be very attractive and sustainable. the revenue model with our own proprietary catheters allows that model to be very attractive and sustainable That's definitely a model that we're going to be implementing both in Europe and the U.S. that's definitely a model that we're going to be implementing both in europe and the u.s as we gain the regulatory approvals. I think we can do that in an accretive way so we can build up the sales force while the adoption of these new catheters is growing, and that all can happen accretively. We will be reinvesting a lot of incremental gross profit and operating profit from these catheters back into the sales team for that growth. On the capital side, we have a very lean team. They've been able to continue a relatively steady tempo of Genesis orders and sales. As we have Genesis X transitioning to a full launch later this year, we'd probably invest a couple million dollars in a more robust dedicated capital team both in Europe and the U.S. That should allow us to see capital sales next year growing very significantly. That's kind of our overall high-level plan. I hope that gave enough color to help you. as we gain the regulatory approvals. as we gain the regulatory approvals I think we can do that in an accretive way so we can build up the sales force while the adoption of these new catheters is growing, and that all can happen accretively. i think we can do that in an accretive way so we can build up the sales force while the adoption of these new catheters is growing and that all can happen accretively We will be reinvesting a lot of incremental gross profit and operating profit from these catheters back into the sales team for that growth. we will be reinvesting a lot of incremental gross profit and operating profit from these catheters back into the sales team for that growth On the capital side, we have a very lean team. on the capital side we have a very lean team They've been able to continue a relatively steady tempo of Genesis orders and sales. they've been able to continue a relatively steady tempo of genesis orders and sales As we have Genesis X transitioning to a full launch later this year, we'd probably invest a couple million dollars in a more robust dedicated capital team both in Europe and the U.S. as we have genesis x transitioning to a full launch later this year we'd probably invest a couple million dollars in a more robust dedicated capital team both in europe and the u.s That should allow us to see capital sales next year growing very significantly. that should allow us to see capital sales next year growing very significantly That's kind of our overall high-level plan. that's kind of our overall high-level plan I hope that gave enough color to help you. i hope that gave enough color to help you
Speaker 4: That was fantastic. Thank you for the detailed response, David. For the follow-up, I'll ask about Europe and the catheter business. Two-part question, I guess. You know, first, you talked a little bit about the progress that MAGIC ablation catheter is making in Europe in terms of account penetration. Could you just maybe double-click on how your customers are using the MAGIC ablation catheter? Is it still largely SVT, VT, or are they doing, you know, kind of broader, more simple cases as well? Just quickly, Genesis Sweep the mapping catheter, just OUS timelines there, and I'll drop back into queue. Thank you. That was fantastic. that was fantastic Thank you for the detailed response, David. thank you for the detailed response david For the follow-up, I'll ask about Europe and the catheter business. for the follow-up i'll ask about europe and the catheter business Two-part question, I guess. two-part question i guess You know, first, you talked a little bit about the progress that MAGIC ablation catheter is making in Europe in terms of account penetration. you know first you talked a little bit about the progress that magic ablation catheter is making in europe in terms of account penetration Could you just maybe double-click on how your customers are using the MAGIC ablation catheter? could you just maybe double-click on how your customers are using the magic ablation catheter Is it still largely SVT, VT, or are they doing, you know, kind of broader, more simple cases as well? is it still largely svt vt or are they doing you know kind of broader more simple cases as well Just quickly, Genesis Sweep the mapping catheter, just OUS timelines there, and I'll drop back into queue. just quickly, genesis sweep the mapping catheter just ous timelines there and i'll drop back into queue Thank you. thank you
Speaker 5: Sure. Thanks. MAGIC in Europe, we talked about approximately 30% of our European accounts have now started to use MAGIC in procedures. That's up from about 20% when we talked last quarter. We see kind of steady, it's amazing the administrative burdens in various countries in Europe and how just getting through tenders and getting on contract in certain countries and certain hospitals just takes, it's kind of an administrative grind. We are working on many of those in tandem. I kind of see that percentage very naturally increasing month-by-month. We see usage of MAGIC so far across the full breadth of procedures. You're correct that predominantly our robot has been used and is being used to treat more complex arrhythmias, VTs, PVCs, congenital patients. We've seen MAGIC being used already in AF, in AVNRTs, AVRTs, flutters. Sure. sure Thanks. thanks MAGIC in Europe, we talked about approximately 30% of our European accounts have now started to use MAGIC in procedures. magic in europe we talked about approximately 30% of our european accounts have now started to use magic in procedures That's up from about 20% when we talked last quarter. that's up from about 20% when we talked last quarter We see kind of steady, it's amazing the administrative burdens in various countries in Europe and how just getting through tenders and getting on contract in certain countries and certain hospitals just takes, it's kind of an administrative grind. we see kind of steady it's amazing the administrative burdens in various countries in europe and how just getting through tenders and getting on contract in certain countries and certain hospitals just takes it's kind of an administrative grind We are working on many of those in tandem. we are working on many of those in tandem I kind of see that percentage very naturally increasing month- by- month. i kind of see that percentage very naturally increasing month- by- month We see usage of MAGIC so far across the full breadth of procedures. we see usage of magic so far across the full breadth of procedures You're correct that predominantly our robot has been used and is being used to treat more complex arrhythmias, VTs, PVCs, congenital patients. you're correct that predominantly our robot has been used and is being used to treat more complex arrhythmias vts pvcs congenital patients We've seen MAGIC being used already in AF, in AVNRTs, AVRTs, flutters. we've seen magic being used already in af in avnrts avrts flutters Really kind of across the spectrum from the simpler cases to the most complex. That's obviously been nice to see that usage and to see the value that the catheter can provide across a broader spectrum of procedures. In Europe, we have a very broad label for ablation in all four chambers of the heart. That obviously supports kind of a broad utilization across the spectrum. We're still in the earlier stages of this launch, right? The second quarter was our first real quarter of sales and revenue. I don't have any statistics yet on how MAGIC will grow utilization at individual accounts. Obviously, as we penetrate further in these accounts and go more broadly across all of the accounts in Europe, I do expect MAGIC to have a positive halo effect on overall utilization. Really kind of across the spectrum from the simpler cases to the most complex. really kind of across the spectrum from the simpler cases to the most complex That's obviously been nice to see that usage and to see the value that the catheter can provide across a broader spectrum of procedures. that's obviously been nice to see that usage and to see the value that the catheter can provide across a broader spectrum of procedures In Europe, we have a very broad label for ablation in all four chambers of the heart. in europe we have a very broad label for ablation in all four chambers of the heart That obviously supports kind of a broad utilization across the spectrum. that obviously supports kind of a broad utilization across the spectrum We're still in the earlier stages of this launch, right? we're still in the earlier stages of this launch right The second quarter was our first real quarter of sales and revenue. the second quarter was our first real quarter of sales and revenue I don't have any statistics yet on how MAGIC will grow utilization at individual accounts. i don't have any statistics yet on how magic will grow utilization at individual accounts Obviously, as we penetrate further in these accounts and go more broadly across all of the accounts in Europe, I do expect MAGIC to have a positive halo effect on overall utilization. obviously as we penetrate further in these accounts and go more broadly across all of the accounts in europe i do expect magic to have a positive halo effect on overall utilization If we step back, your second question was related to, I remember, MAGIC Sweep and European regulatory timeline. There was something else that I'm now missing. On the Europe MAGIC Sweep, we talked about still getting a clearance in Europe this quarter. That's our expectation. It obviously depends on the notified body. As we know more, we will share more. If we step back, your second question was related to, I remember, MAGIC Sweep and European regulatory timeline. if we step back your second question was related to i remember magic sweep and european regulatory timeline There was something else that I'm now missing. there was something else that i'm now missing On the Europe MAGIC Sweep, we talked about still getting a clearance in Europe this quarter. on the europe magic sweep we talked about still getting a clearance in europe this quarter That's our expectation. that's our expectation It obviously depends on the notified body. it obviously depends on the notified body As we know more, we will share more. as we know more we will share more
Speaker 4: That's perfect. Thanks again. That's perfect. that's perfect Thanks again. thanks again
Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
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Speaker 1: Great. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress in the next quarter. I was hoping to start with some additional color on MAGIC FDA interactions. Appreciate the update you provided today, but maybe help us understand kind of how long some of these interactions could take with the FDA, when those could be submitted, and then the timeline from when those are submitted, answered, and then hearing back, just bridging us from kind of where we are today to that second half approval. Great. great Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress in the next quarter. thanks for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress in the next quarter I was hoping to start with some additional color on MAGIC FDA interactions. i was hoping to start with some additional color on magic fda interactions Appreciate the update you provided today, but maybe help us understand kind of how long some of these interactions could take with the FDA, when those could be submitted, and then the timeline from when those are submitted, answered, and then hearing back, just bridging us from kind of where we are today to that second half approval. appreciate the update you provided today but maybe help us understand kind of how long some of these interactions could take with the fda when those could be submitted and then the timeline from when those are submitted answered and then hearing back just bridging us from kind of where we are today to that second half approval
Speaker 5: Okay. Sure. FDA does professional diligent work in its reviews. We see that across all of our submissions. They're very much active and kind of fulfill their professional mandate in reviewing submissions. We have been working with FDA very collaboratively in a lot of back and forth on the many topics that are part of the PMA submission and PMA approval process. I mentioned in the prepared remarks that we are predominantly working through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and GMP, good manufacturing practices. That's where most of the effort is. We submitted clinical data from the ongoing trial in Europe in the second quarter. Overall, there is a regular tempo of interaction between FDA and us. We feel given that tempo and given the type of commentary from the ongoing discussions that approval in the second half of this year still makes a lot of sense. Okay. okay Sure. sure FDA does professional diligent work in its reviews. fda does professional diligent work in its reviews We see that across all of our submissions. we see that across all of our submissions They're very much active and kind of fulfill their professional mandate in reviewing submissions. they're very much active and kind of fulfill their professional mandate in reviewing submissions We have been working with FDA very collaboratively in a lot of back and forth on the many topics that are part of the PMA submission and PMA approval process. we have been working with fda very collaboratively in a lot of back and forth on the many topics that are part of the pma submission and pma approval process I mentioned in the prepared remarks that we are predominantly working through a body of questions on sterility, biocompatibility, and GMP, good manufacturing practices. i mentioned in the prepared remarks that we are predominantly working through a body of questions on sterility biocompatibility and gmp good manufacturing practices That's where most of the effort is. that's where most of the effort is We submitted clinical data from the ongoing trial in Europe in the second quarter. we submitted clinical data from the ongoing trial in europe in the second quarter Overall, there is a regular tempo of interaction between FDA and us. overall there is a regular tempo of interaction between fda and us We feel given that tempo and given the type of commentary from the ongoing discussions that approval in the second half of this year still makes a lot of sense. we feel given that tempo and given the type of commentary from the ongoing discussions that approval in the second half of this year still makes a lot of sense I think FDA is also aware of that and of the importance of this catheter to U.S. patients and U.S. physicians who benefit from robotics. We're just grinding through the process and have appreciated the collaborative nature of FDA in this process. I think FDA is also aware of that and of the importance of this catheter to U.S. patients and U.S. physicians who benefit from robotics. i think fda is also aware of that and of the importance of this catheter to u.s patients and u.s physicians who benefit from robotics We're just grinding through the process and have appreciated the collaborative nature of FDA in this process. we're just grinding through the process and have appreciated the collaborative nature of fda in this process
Speaker 1: Got it. That's helpful. Maybe just sizing up Sweep in the U.S. a little bit more. Happy to hear that's off to a strong start, but maybe talk about kind of what that can contribute per procedure, how many of your current cases today may use the catheter, and then just kind of extrapolating that into how much revenue that could contribute. Got it. got it That's helpful. that's helpful Maybe just sizing up Sweep in the U.S. a little bit more. maybe just sizing up sweep in the u.s a little bit more Happy to hear that's off to a strong start, but maybe talk about kind of what that can contribute per procedure, how many of your current cases today may use the catheter, and then just kind of extrapolating that into how much revenue that could contribute. happy to hear that's off to a strong start but maybe talk about kind of what that can contribute per procedure how many of your current cases today may use the catheter and then just kind of extrapolating that into how much revenue that could contribute
Speaker 5: Sure. High-density mapping catheters are typically priced north of $2,000 per procedure, and you should expect kind of similar numbers for us. I'd say that high-density mapping is probably used in the majority, and the majority probably means somewhere in the 70% or so, perhaps a little bit more than that percentage of the procedures that we see on our robot. It's not every procedure, but it's a significant number of them. I think that kind of one of the big benefits of MAGIC Sweep, though, is not just having it used in our existing procedures. This is really, if you think about our existing utilization and our core business, it has been predicated on still a catheter that is by now 20 years old with no catheter innovation for these physician users for many, many years, essentially since they started using us. Sure. sure High-density mapping catheters are typically priced north of $2,000 per procedure, and you should expect kind of similar numbers for us. high-density mapping catheters are typically priced north of $2,000 per procedure and you should expect kind of similar numbers for us I'd say that high-density mapping is probably used in the majority, and the majority probably means somewhere in the 70% or so, perhaps a little bit more than that percentage of the procedures that we see on our robot. i'd say that high-density mapping is probably used in the majority and the majority probably means somewhere in the 70% or so perhaps a little bit more than that percentage of the procedures that we see on our robot It's not every procedure, but it's a significant number of them. it's not every procedure but it's a significant number of them I think that kind of one of the big benefits of MAGIC Sweep, though, is not just having it used in our existing procedures. i think that kind of one of the big benefits of magic sweep though is not just having it used in our existing procedures This is really, if you think about our existing utilization and our core business, it has been predicated on still a catheter that is by now 20 years old with no catheter innovation for these physician users for many, many years, essentially since they started using us. this is really if you think about our existing utilization and our core business it has been predicated on still a catheter that is by now 20 years old with no catheter innovation for these physician users for many many years essentially since they started using us This is a significant opportunity, I think, to have them rethink how they do workflow and to kind of have other benefits from the robot beyond what they've historically experienced. I think this is a real opportunity also to grow utilization, to engage with physicians at existing sites that perhaps historically weren't using our robot as much. I think that there's going to be a broader benefit beyond just the step up in revenue per procedure. This is a significant opportunity, I think, to have them rethink how they do workflow and to kind of have other benefits from the robot beyond what they've historically experienced. this is a significant opportunity i think to have them rethink how they do workflow and to kind of have other benefits from the robot beyond what they've historically experienced I think this is a real opportunity also to grow utilization, to engage with physicians at existing sites that perhaps historically weren't using our robot as much. i think this is a real opportunity also to grow utilization to engage with physicians at existing sites that perhaps historically weren't using our robot as much I think that there's going to be a broader benefit beyond just the step up in revenue per procedure. i think that there's going to be a broader benefit beyond just the step up in revenue per procedure
Speaker 1: Perfect. Really helpful. Thank you. Perfect. perfect Really helpful. really helpful Thank you. thank you
Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn it back to David Fischel for closing remarks. Thank you. thank you I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. i'm not showing any further questions in the queue I would now like to turn it back to David Fischel for closing remarks. i would now like to turn it back to david fischel for closing remarks
Speaker 5: Okay. Thank you very much for your questions and for your continued support. We look forward to working hard on your behalf and speaking again soon. Thank you very much. Okay. okay Thank you very much for your questions and for your continued support. thank you very much for your questions and for your continued support We look forward to working hard on your behalf and speaking again soon. we look forward to working hard on your behalf and speaking again soon Thank you very much. thank you very much
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. ladies and gentlemen this concludes today's call Thank you all for joining. thank you all for joining You may now disconnect. you may now disconnect