Lyell Immunopharma, Inc. — Call Transcript 2026

Hello, everyone. My name is Mitchell Kapoor. I'm a senior biotech analyst at H.C. Wainwright and the covering analyst for Lyell. Today, I have the pleasure of welcoming Lynn Seely, the CEO of the company. Today, we're gonna have a fireside chat, talk a lot about the CD19/CD20 space, what they have going on in colorectal cancer, and anything else that Lynn thinks would be important to discuss. Maybe with that, you could just start by giving those who are not up to speed with the story, a brief overview of the company and the current initiatives, and maybe just an overview of the data that we've seen so far. Well, thank you for having me here today. I will be making forward-looking statements for the record, so consult our website and securities filings. For those who aren't as familiar with Lyell, we are a cell therapy company developing next-generation cell therapies, both for hematologic malignancies as well as for solid tumors. We have two lead programs in the clinic, both targeting large markets. The first is our Ronde-cel, our CD19, CD20 dual-targeted CAR, which we're developing really to become the standard of care in the $3 billion CAR T-cell CD19 marketplace that's established today in large B-cell lymphoma. Then secondarily, we have a program for metastatic colorectal cancer, which is a very novel CAR, which we think is a really, obviously large market surging in young people. A CAR T-cell therapy for young patients is really just a great fit. These programs are both in the clinic. The lead Ronde-cel is, as I said, a dual-targeting CD19, CD20 CAR T-cell therapy. We are currently in two pivotal trials. The first is in the third or later line, this was a program that we presented data on last year at ASH, where we were able to show a 93% overall response rate, a 76% complete response rate, and really importantly, a median progression-free survival of 18 months. These are data that really set the CD19, CD20 apart from the CD19s. Based on this, we have a pivotal trial ongoing, which we call the PiNNACLE study, which we expect to have a significant data update in the H2 of this year. We intend to present the pivotal data next year with BLA submission next year. This program is barreling forward in the third or later line. We also have a first-of-its-kind CAR T-cell therapy head-to-head trial, which we initiated several months ago, actively enrolling patients, which we think it's in the second line and is gonna just further set this program apart. We're really excited about the progress we're making in the Ronde-cel program. We also have this colorectal program, which is in clinical trials in the U.S. This program was licensed from a company who initially developed it in China, brought it to the U.S. and has replicated to a great extent the data seen in China in the U.S. We're continuing this program forward in a way. It's a very novel CAR, we think something that is potentially transformative for the company. Maybe lastly, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that Lyell has its own manufacturing center. This is a state-of-the-art facility where we can launch commercially from this facility and manufacture up to 1,200 doses annually. Really gets us nicely into launch. We do have control of our own destiny, which is important. Excellent. Just starting with Ronde-cel, CD19/20 CAR T space. We've got a lot of investor interest in that out of ASH and all the way since. A lot of competitors have emerged. Maybe to set the stage before we jump into a little bit more finer questions is, how do you view the, you know, Ronde-cel in the competitive landscape? Of course, one of the things that sticks out to us is the median PFS of 18 months and the geography of where that has been established. Maybe you can just kind of help us understand, you know, the competitive differentiation in the emerging class of CD19/20 when arguably you're leading the space. Well, thank you. It's a big question. This field is moving rapidly, as people know, and I'm very proud to say Lyell is in the lead. When we acquired this product at the end of 2024, people weren't even really that confident that the CD19/20s were gonna be important in the field. Fast-forward to the spring of 2025 at the premier meetings International, that are held in Lugano, Switzerland, three companies put up data for their CD19, CD20 CARs. There was Lyell, there was Johnson & Johnson, and there was Kite Gilead. All three were showing nice data that appeared to be clearly better than the CD19 CARs, which was important. What I'd like to say is Lyell has continued to advance forward very rapidly. As I said, we initiated two pivotal trials. We selected our recommended pivotal trial dose and have moved rapidly forward, presenting at ASH in 2025 this really strong data that I just told you about. In the meantime, Johnson & Johnson, you may have heard, has just recently stepped out of the CD19/CD20 race, we talk a little bit about that. They didn't present any data at ASH 2025, which was surprising. Any clinical data, I should say, which was surprising to us. Kite Gilead, who's also in this race with a different type of CAR construct, actually discontinued the program that they were originally moving forward with and opted for a different manufacturing process that set them back. They're coming. It's still in the race, but with, you know, several months if not a full year or more behind us. I think what I'm very proud of is Lyell has emerged with a strategy that really is putting us in the lead with a very strong program, both with respect to the clinical outcomes that we're observing, the safety profile, as well as a very reliable manufacturing process. Thank you. Yeah, very interesting and, you know, recently, as you mentioned, J&J discontinued its ex vivo CD19/CD20 CAR T along with its CD19 mono CAR T as well. Just curious what you think that signals for the field, if anything, and maybe help us understand, you know, how you viewed their data. You know, I think it was generated in China. They had a five-year median PFS. Anything that we can learn from a competitive lens that frames where Ronde-cel operates today and if that has any signal for the class in general? Sure. I think there's a lot of important messages there. The first thing I would say is this is great news for Lyell, and I think it just takes out a competitor, which is always important, obviously, not only for the recruitment timelines and clinical trials, but more importantly for the commercial marketplace. The big question is, you know, why did they drop out? Did they have some big strategic insight into the way the market was developing? Or I would put forth, quite frankly, I'm very proud of Lyell's strategy, right? We moved aggressively. We picked our dose. They were having a hard time finding their dose. If you look back at the data they initially presented, they had They looked at a 150 million cell dose. They looked at a 75 million cell dose, and it wasn't quite clear what direction they were going. They didn't present any new clinical data at ASH, which was surprising. In the meantime, you know, we barreled forward. If you think about a company like J&J, if they're not gonna be first in class with a large market, they're generally not one to play. You know, it's possible that Lyell beat them and, you know, they didn't wanna be third after Lyell and Kite Gilead. It's also important to note that the constructs between the two programs were highly similar. prizlo-cel or the J&J product originated in China from a company called AbelZeta Pharma that began developing this after the originator of the Lyell product, Yvonne Chen, patented and published her data and her structure. They came out with this data from China, which was very compelling. AbelZeta came out with this data from China that was very compelling. One of the lessons that's very important to appreciate is that in lymphoma and, of course, other cancers as well, who you enroll in your patients, what the demographics and the disease characteristics are, do impact outcomes substantially. In that trial initially done in China, if you look at it carefully, the median age of patients was 55. Well, large B-cell lymphoma is a disease of the elderly. If you look at the median age in our trials, the median age is 65, a decade later, with 20% of patients over the age of 75. That was surprising. The other thing that was surprising, if you look at something like performance status, the overall health of the patient, it's captured in something called the ECOG performance status. About 65% of their patients were normal. You might see only, you know, 30% of patients having 70% being elevated or decreased performance status in a Westernized. Those are sorts of things that would impact the outcome. I think at this point in time, you know, what I'm really proud of is that I think Lyell is moving forward. We've been moving forward consistently with the same dose, treating patients. Our data have been consistent over time, and we're really looking forward to providing the significant data update on this program, data from the pivotal trial and the third or later line in the H2 of this year. Great. Yeah. I'm just gonna maybe jump around in topics a little bit because it's related. With Kite, you had mentioned, so with J&J, one interpretation could be that, you know, maybe potentially you were beating them on durability and other metrics and that they decided, "Hey, we're not gonna compete." Is that what you think happened with Kite as well when they moved from 363 to 753? What is your interpretation of them stepping back from 363? Obviously we don't know what goes on inside of companies, but, you know, taking a careful look at the data they presented at the Lugano International Conference on Malignant Lymphoma meeting, they had a 46% rate of grade 1 or 2 ICANS. That means about half of their patients were developing ICANS, which is not a great product profile. If you think about the problems they're having with Yescarta to date with their neurotoxicity, they probably didn't wanna get into that same situation, so they moved to a different manufacturing process, I have to suspect, obviously I don't know, to get that ICANS rate lower. What we do know about their construct is it's very different from ours. We have a single CAR express that binds both CD19 and CD20, so it's in a single CAR, and it's full potency at either CD19 or CD20. They express two CARs on T-cells, and so one is Yescarta and the other is CD20. These are gonna be a test of which is better, a bicistronic CAR or a very well-designed, full-potent tandem CAR. We'll see. That's what they're moving forward now. Great. Okay. You know, on J&J's construct that has been discontinued, prizlo-cel, that was a potential, you know, benchmark for durability. I think it was, you know, up in the air for folks since the data hadn't been replicated yet. Now that that's not even really a question, who do you view as the main competitor, and what do you think the right bar is in third line, I guess, to start off, since that is, you know, where most, I think, will start as kind of the later line setting for advancing? I think the bar is our key competitors, which are Breyanzi and Yescarta. Our objective and from day one has been to bring next-generation CAR for large B-cell lymphoma. The first generations were transformative, but now we're ready for the next step, right? We really are looking to replace them. What is the bar they set in the third or later line? They have about 70% overall response rate, 50% complete response rate, and 6-7 months median progression-free survival. We're coming with 93% overall response rate, 76% complete response rates, with a median progression-free survival of 18 months. I mean, it's clear data. You don't have to wonder about, is that really better? That's pretty clear with a safety profile where we have seen no grade 3 or higher cytokine release syndrome in our program, and that our ICANS rate that we reported at ASH is less than 5%. A very nice product profile appropriate for outpatient administration. Great. Okay. For Kite's newer construct, 753, obviously they took a step back, you know, it's gonna take them a while to show durability, but the durability on the first contract was okay. You know, they didn't have MPFS yet, you all do, so you're still in the lead, now you're in the lead by a larger margin. If they continue to show, let's say, similar early CRs and durability of those CRs, do you view them as a competitor, or do you think that lead is very important? How do you see them as a competitor? Obviously, Yescarta and Breyanzi, definitely You know, I think it's a lot of folks feel like the CD19/20s are trumping those at this point. How do you view these emerging? Well, I mean, first of all, I think it's very validating that somebody who is in this space also agrees that the CD19/20s are gonna replace Yescarta and Breyanzi. I think, of course, they will be a competitor. One of the things that I think we have done and done very well is we've got this third line program that we're taking for approval. Remember, the primary endpoint of that study is overall response rate. I just told you our overall response rate is 93%. That bodes very well for us to getting approval and getting out first and replacing the CD19 CARs is very important to us. Because think about it. We know these physicians, CAR T-cell prescribers are very much data-driven. They will switch products based on better safety or better efficacy. We intend to bring both. If we can get them to switch to us, then whoever comes second is gonna have to supplant us. There's not very much headroom left, right? The efficacy is already very good. The safety is already very good. To be better is gonna be hard. Being first is actually, I believe, in this particular situation, quite important. The other thing we've done is we have a very elegant design for our head-to-head study, which they are not matching. I think heard from many, many of the investigators and leaders in the space that they really like our head-to-head study design because we allow in real world investigators choice, that physicians are able to select either Yescarta or Breyanzi as the comparator while in the Kite study they are only comparing against Yescarta. Okay. Wonderful. I think the final competitor that I have yet to bring up, it's much earlier, but people are really interested in this. in vivo CD19/20 CAR T, Legend has a construct and we may hear more. We're going to hear more soon at a major medical meeting in mid-year. How do you view in vivo versus your ex vivo approach? Obviously, all the things we talked about, the little headroom to beat where you're at. Some folks say, you know, with in vivo, there may be an off-the-shelf approach and, you know, you can maybe be a little bit more equivalent or, you know, the bar is a little lower for them. Wondering how you view in vivo broadly versus Ronde-cel. Sure. The field's very excited about in vivo CAR, as are we, right? This is exciting new technology, but as you pointed out, it's early. What, you know, is in vivo CAR going to have to bring to the table to be a threat to Ronde-cel, right? Three things. It's gotta have the same CR rates, it's gotta have durability, and its safety. You have to assume that the very first CD19/20 in vivo CAR is gonna come out with all three of those variables on par at first shot to be a threat to Ronde-cel. While that might happen, I think the probability is it's gonna take a while, right? In the meantime, the Legend program, which is coming out, we're all looking forward to seeing the data, is being developed in China, so they're gonna have to repeat that, right? Durability, as we know, takes some time. I've just told you our median progression-free survival is 18 months. We feel very confident in our position with Ronde-cel. We believe that autologous CAR is the standard of care and will continue for CAR T-cell therapy, where in vivo is exciting, as you say. It can broaden access, right? That it can be available for patients who can't get the standard of care. In terms of a threat to Ronde-cel, you know, it's gonna take some time, and I think we're in a great position. I would also say that we believe we're gonna be able to improve access with Ronde-cel, and I say that because the value proposition is changing. If you think about it, the safety profile is much better, so you can be treated as an outpatient. It's much easier for community hospitals or centers to manage. Number two is the benefit is better. Before in the third line, for example, you had a flip of a coin, 50% chance of going into remission. Now we're saying 75%, right? Much higher. With that value proposition for patients and for providers, I think that's also gonna help with the access for autologous CAR. Great. Okay. Moving from third line to second line, you have the head-to-head trial, which is super important. As you mentioned, it's, you know, DLBCL is very hard to compare cross-trial because of the patient characteristics. What result would be sufficient? What result would be positive? Help us walk through the scenarios. I think the obvious answer is just beating the comparator, right? You know, if you beat, you know, just by like 1% CR, it's not, it's not Is it a big deal, right? Because safety's better. Like walk through maybe some scenarios how we should interpret second line. This is the gold standard randomized controlled superiority trial. The p-value is going to determine success, right? It's a benefit that I think we're going to be randomizing patients. They're going to be apples to apples with stratified for risk, if we show better event-free survival, which is the primary endpoint that is statistically significant, that is going to be absolutely fantastic and sufficient, and something that we think is very probable based upon the data that we have observed to date. There is safety, right? Because remember, physicians, these prescribers make decisions not only on the efficacy benefit, which is the most important, but also on the safety profile. We have two opportunities really to demonstrate the full potential of our product. Great. Okay. From, you know, when we're thinking about the second-line opportunity versus the third-line opportunity, I think it would be helpful for the audience to understand, how do you view the third line and the second line in terms of contribution to the commercial opportunity for Lyell? I think some folks previously had thought like, "Oh, they need to get to second line," right? Help us understand, what if it's a third-line therapy and that's all you're pursuing and, you know, what's the additional benefit of getting into second line? How do we think about that? We think this is something that a lot of people are missing. We know from a series that have been published out of Memorial Sloan Kettering from our own experience from claims data that more than 50% of patients have already experienced two lines of chemotherapy before they undergo apheresis. We know that the intent of CAR is cure. If you're not getting cured by that second line, meaning going into complete response or a very good partial response, that is in essence an on-label third-line patient. We think that there are 6,000-7,000 patients eligible for CAR in the third line. Being first with this third line with the BLA submission expected next year, we think this is a substantial opportunity for us. Remember, our footprint for our head-to-head trial, we've got sites all over the country enrolling patients onto Ronde-cel and get experience with the product now as we're recruiting this head-to-head trial. We think this combination, this strategy bodes very well for the launch of this product. Could you also help just clarify that third line, like who are those third line patients? Sometimes physicians don't even realize right now that maybe they have a third line patient and it's a second line patient. That was super interesting to me, and I think if we could share with the audience, they can understand that this is maybe even bigger opportunity- Yeah -we think. Doctors don't count lines right now. CARs are approved in both the second and the third lines, NCCN guidelines say give CAR in the second line. There is intention to treat in the second line. What happens is if you're in the community and you progress on frontline therapy, about 50% of the time or more, you get started on another line of chemotherapy as you get referred in and get that medical appointment for apheresis. That's the second line. If you don't have a CR to that, if you don't have a very good partial response to that, you're a third line patient. That's what we're seeing, that's why we know that the potential market for this is much bigger than many people expect. Excellent. Okay. Last on Ronde-cel before we move on. Can you help us understand where the CD62L enrichment is doing the work and just a little bit of the differentiation of the construct? Yeah. This is very much our secret sauce, and I think this is something we do during manufacturing. It's a very short cell selection process where we are enriching our product for naive, more fit central memory and naive T cells, which really have multiple purposes, but I like to think of it primarily as giving that duration of response. They persist. They don't get exhausted and die off as quickly as those more differentiated cells do. Of course, it also helps with what we call the softer safety profile. Okay, great. moving to CRC, LYL273 is showing activity that's really unprecedented for cell therapy, in solid tumors. What gives you the most confidence that, you know, the signal that we've seen so far is real and reproducible, as a solid tumor CAR T? Just help us understand how beneficial the data look in, you know, later line colorectal cancer where the options are so limited. Yeah, the options are really sad, quite frankly. There's sort of frontline therapy and then a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't work, quite frankly, or doesn't work well. I think what we're seeing is an active CAR T-cell therapy for metastatic colorectal cancer. Why can I say that? Because we're seeing patients having responses. We have a patient, for example, that we've presented data publicly with that is now two years out from her CAR T-cell therapy ctDNA negative, right? No evidence of disease at this point. We're seeing very nice response rates. We know it's an active CAR. The onus is on us now is to move the development forward as quickly as we can. Why am I confident? Because this CAR design answers a couple of the key barriers in solid tumor, right? One is the fact that we get the cell expansion that we need because we have partnered our CAR with CD19 CAR, which is a really unusual novel design, which helps get that cell expansion that we need to get the GCC CARs into that hostile tumor microenvironment. The other thing we've done is engineered the CD19 CAR to release cytokines or these sort supportive hormones basically is a simple way to think about these cytokines, that they actually open up the hostile tumor microenvironment by supporting these CARs inside the tumor and allowing them to expand and kill. It is this novel mechanism coupled with the activity that we're seeing in patients in the U.S. that is giving us that confidence. Excellent. We've covered a lot of ground today. I think, to close, I would love to have you recap the catalysts ahead. I think this is truly an eventful year for the company. Maybe help set the stage for those who now have Lyell on their watchlist for 2026 and 2027. Well, thank you. No, we're super excited about the upcoming timeframe. We really think we're in a great position to add tremendous value creation. We have a substantial update on the pivotal trial and third line PiNNACLE coming in the H2 of this year, which is I think gonna be an important update. We have the pivotal data coming next year as well as BLA submission from that program. In the colorectal program, there's gonna be two updates. The first in this H1 coming soon is gonna be a safety update, largely to show that not only do we have an active CAR that we can treat these patients with a good safety profile. In the H2 of the year, a presentation at a medical conference, we hope where we can have more broader clinical outcomes as well. Excellent. Thank you so much, Lynn. Thank you to the Lyell team, and thank you to all the investors that joined us today. Thanks, Mitchell

Speaker 2: Hello, everyone. My name is Mitchell Kapoor. I'm a senior biotech analyst at H.C. Wainwright and the covering analyst for Lyell. Today, I have the pleasure of welcoming Lynn Seely, the CEO of the company. Today, we're gonna have a fireside chat, talk a lot about the CD19/CD20 space, what they have going on in colorectal cancer, and anything else that Lynn thinks would be important to discuss. Maybe with that, you could just start by giving those who are not up to speed with the story, a brief overview of the company and the current initiatives, and maybe just an overview of the data that we've seen so far. Hello, everyone. hello everyone My name is Mitchell Kapoor. my name is mitchell kapoor I'm a senior biotech analyst at H.C. i'm a senior biotech analyst at h.c Wainwright and the covering analyst for Lyell. wainwright and the covering analyst for lyell Today, I have the pleasure of welcoming Lynn Seely, the CEO of the company. today i have the pleasure of welcoming lynn seely the ceo of the company Today, we're gonna have a fireside chat, talk a lot about the CD19/CD20 space, what they have going on in colorectal cancer, and anything else that Lynn thinks would be important to discuss. today we're gonna have a fireside chat talk a lot about the cd19/cd20 space what they have going on in colorectal cancer and anything else that lynn thinks would be important to discuss Maybe with that, you could just start by giving those who are not up to speed with the story, a brief overview of the company and the current initiatives, and maybe just an overview of the data that we've seen so far. maybe with that you could just start by giving those who are not up to speed with the story a brief overview of the company and the current initiatives and maybe just an overview of the data that we've seen so far

Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me here today. I will be making forward-looking statements for the record, so consult our website and securities filings. For those who aren't as familiar with Lyell, we are a cell therapy company developing next-generation cell therapies, both for hematologic malignancies as well as for solid tumors. We have two lead programs in the clinic, both targeting large markets. The first is our Ronde-cel, our CD19, CD20 dual-targeted CAR, which we're developing really to become the standard of care in the $3 billion CAR T-cell CD19 marketplace that's established today in large B-cell lymphoma. Then secondarily, we have a program for metastatic colorectal cancer, which is a very novel CAR, which we think is a really, obviously large market surging in young people. Well, thank you for having me here today. well thank you for having me here today I will be making forward-looking statements for the record, so consult our website and securities filings. i will be making forward-looking statements for the record so consult our website and securities filings For those who aren't as familiar with Lyell, we are a cell therapy company developing next-generation cell therapies, both for hematologic malignancies as well as for solid tumors. for those who aren't as familiar with lyell we are a cell therapy company developing next-generation cell therapies both for hematologic malignancies as well as for solid tumors We have two lead programs in the clinic, both targeting large markets. we have two lead programs in the clinic both targeting large markets The first is our Ronde-cel, our CD19, CD20 dual-targeted CAR, which we're developing really to become the standard of care in the $3 billion CAR T-cell CD19 marketplace that's established today in large B-cell lymphoma. the first is our ronde-cel our cd19 cd20 dual-targeted car which we're developing really to become the standard of care in the $3 billion car t-cell cd19 marketplace that's established today in large b-cell lymphoma Then secondarily, we have a program for metastatic colorectal cancer, which is a very novel CAR, which we think is a really, obviously large market surging in young people. then secondarily we have a program for metastatic colorectal cancer which is a very novel car which we think is a really obviously large market surging in young people A CAR T-cell therapy for young patients is really just a great fit. These programs are both in the clinic. The lead Ronde-cel is, as I said, a dual-targeting CD19, CD20 CAR T-cell therapy. We are currently in two pivotal trials. The first is in the third or later line, this was a program that we presented data on last year at ASH, where we were able to show a 93% overall response rate, a 76% complete response rate, and really importantly, a median progression-free survival of 18 months. These are data that really set the CD19, CD20 apart from the CD19s. Based on this, we have a pivotal trial ongoing, which we call the PiNNACLE study, which we expect to have a significant data update in the H2 of this year. A CAR T-cell therapy for young patients is really just a great fit. a car t-cell therapy for young patients is really just a great fit These programs are both in the clinic. these programs are both in the clinic The lead Ronde-cel is, as I said, a dual-targeting CD19, CD20 CAR T-cell therapy. the lead ronde-cel is as i said a dual-targeting cd19 cd20 car t-cell therapy We are currently in two pivotal trials. we are currently in two pivotal trials The first is in the third or later line, this was a program that we presented data on last year at ASH, where we were able to show a 93% overall response rate, a 76% complete response rate, and really importantly, a median progression-free survival of 18 months. the first is in the third or later line this was a program that we presented data on last year at ash where we were able to show a 93% overall response rate a 76% complete response rate and really importantly a median progression-free survival of 18 months These are data that really set the CD19, CD20 apart from the CD19s. these are data that really set the cd19 cd20 apart from the cd19s Based on this, we have a pivotal trial ongoing, which we call the PiNNACLE study, which we expect to have a significant data update in the H2 of this year. based on this we have a pivotal trial ongoing which we call the pinnacle study which we expect to have a significant data update in the h2 of this year We intend to present the pivotal data next year with BLA submission next year. This program is barreling forward in the third or later line. We also have a first-of-its-kind CAR T-cell therapy head-to-head trial, which we initiated several months ago, actively enrolling patients, which we think it's in the second line and is gonna just further set this program apart. We're really excited about the progress we're making in the Ronde-cel program. We also have this colorectal program, which is in clinical trials in the U.S. This program was licensed from a company who initially developed it in China, brought it to the U.S. and has replicated to a great extent the data seen in China in the U.S. We're continuing this program forward in a way. We intend to present the pivotal data next year with BLA submission next year. we intend to present the pivotal data next year with bla submission next year This program is barreling forward in the third or later line. this program is barreling forward in the third or later line We also have a first-of-its-kind CAR T-cell therapy head-to-head trial, which we initiated several months ago, actively enrolling patients, which we think it's in the second line and is gonna just further set this program apart. we also have a first-of-its-kind car t-cell therapy head-to-head trial which we initiated several months ago actively enrolling patients which we think it's in the second line and is gonna just further set this program apart We're really excited about the progress we're making in the Ronde-cel program. we're really excited about the progress we're making in the ronde-cel program We also have this colorectal program, which is in clinical trials in the U.S. we also have this colorectal program which is in clinical trials in the u.s This program was licensed from a company who initially developed it in China, brought it to the U.S. and has replicated to a great extent the data seen in China in the U.S. this program was licensed from a company who initially developed it in china brought it to the u.s and has replicated to a great extent the data seen in china in the u.s We're continuing this program forward in a way. we're continuing this program forward in a way It's a very novel CAR, we think something that is potentially transformative for the company. Maybe lastly, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that Lyell has its own manufacturing center. This is a state-of-the-art facility where we can launch commercially from this facility and manufacture up to 1,200 doses annually. Really gets us nicely into launch. We do have control of our own destiny, which is important. It's a very novel CAR, we think something that is potentially transformative for the company. it's a very novel car we think something that is potentially transformative for the company Maybe lastly, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that Lyell has its own manufacturing center. maybe lastly i'd be remiss if i didn't tell you that lyell has its own manufacturing center This is a state-of-the-art facility where we can launch commercially from this facility and manufacture up to 1,200 doses annually. this is a state-of-the-art facility where we can launch commercially from this facility and manufacture up to 1,200 doses annually Really gets us nicely into launch. really gets us nicely into launch We do have control of our own destiny, which is important. we do have control of our own destiny which is important

Speaker 2: Excellent. Just starting with Ronde-cel, CD19/20 CAR T space. We've got a lot of investor interest in that out of ASH and all the way since. A lot of competitors have emerged. Maybe to set the stage before we jump into a little bit more finer questions is, how do you view the, you know, Ronde-cel in the competitive landscape? Of course, one of the things that sticks out to us is the median PFS of 18 months and the geography of where that has been established. Maybe you can just kind of help us understand, you know, the competitive differentiation in the emerging class of CD19/20 when arguably you're leading the space. Excellent. excellent Just starting with Ronde-cel, CD19/20 CAR T space. just starting with ronde-cel cd19/20 car t space We've got a lot of investor interest in that out of ASH and all the way since. we've got a lot of investor interest in that out of ash and all the way since A lot of competitors have emerged. a lot of competitors have emerged Maybe to set the stage before we jump into a little bit more finer questions is, how do you view the, you know, Ronde-cel in the competitive landscape? maybe to set the stage before we jump into a little bit more finer questions is how do you view the you know ronde-cel in the competitive landscape Of course, one of the things that sticks out to us is the median PFS of 18 months and the geography of where that has been established. of course one of the things that sticks out to us is the median pfs of 18 months and the geography of where that has been established Maybe you can just kind of help us understand, you know, the competitive differentiation in the emerging class of CD19/20 when arguably you're leading the space. maybe you can just kind of help us understand you know the competitive differentiation in the emerging class of cd19/20 when arguably you're leading the space

Speaker 1: Well, thank you. It's a big question. This field is moving rapidly, as people know, and I'm very proud to say Lyell is in the lead. When we acquired this product at the end of 2024, people weren't even really that confident that the CD19/20s were gonna be important in the field. Fast-forward to the spring of 2025 at the premier meetings International, that are held in Lugano, Switzerland, three companies put up data for their CD19, CD20 CARs. There was Lyell, there was Johnson & Johnson, and there was Kite Gilead. All three were showing nice data that appeared to be clearly better than the CD19 CARs, which was important. What I'd like to say is Lyell has continued to advance forward very rapidly. Well, thank you. well thank you It's a big question. it's a big question This field is moving rapidly, as people know, and I'm very proud to say Lyell is in the lead. this field is moving rapidly as people know and i'm very proud to say lyell is in the lead When we acquired this product at the end of 2024, people weren't even really that confident that the CD19/20s were gonna be important in the field. when we acquired this product at the end of 2024 people weren't even really that confident that the cd19/20s were gonna be important in the field Fast-forward to the spring of 2025 at the premier meetings International , that are held in Lugano, Switzerland, three companies put up data for their CD19, CD20 CARs. fast-forward to the spring of 2025 at the premier meetings international that are held in lugano switzerland three companies put up data for their cd19 cd20 cars There was Lyell, there was Johnson & Johnson, and there was Kite Gilead. there was lyell there was johnson & johnson and there was kite gilead All three were showing nice data that appeared to be clearly better than the CD19 CARs, which was important. all three were showing nice data that appeared to be clearly better than the cd19 cars which was important What I'd like to say is Lyell has continued to advance forward very rapidly. what i'd like to say is lyell has continued to advance forward very rapidly As I said, we initiated two pivotal trials. We selected our recommended pivotal trial dose and have moved rapidly forward, presenting at ASH in 2025 this really strong data that I just told you about. In the meantime, Johnson & Johnson, you may have heard, has just recently stepped out of the CD19/CD20 race, we talk a little bit about that. They didn't present any data at ASH 2025, which was surprising. Any clinical data, I should say, which was surprising to us. Kite Gilead, who's also in this race with a different type of CAR construct, actually discontinued the program that they were originally moving forward with and opted for a different manufacturing process that set them back. They're coming. As I said, we initiated two pivotal trials. as i said we initiated two pivotal trials We selected our recommended pivotal trial dose and have moved rapidly forward, presenting at ASH in 2025 this really strong data that I just told you about. we selected our recommended pivotal trial dose and have moved rapidly forward presenting at ash in 2025 this really strong data that i just told you about In the meantime, Johnson & Johnson, you may have heard, has just recently stepped out of the CD19/CD20 race, we talk a little bit about that. in the meantime johnson & johnson you may have heard has just recently stepped out of the cd19/cd20 race we talk a little bit about that They didn't present any data at ASH 2025, which was surprising. they didn't present any data at ash 2025 which was surprising Any clinical data, I should say, which was surprising to us. any clinical data i should say which was surprising to us Kite Gilead, who's also in this race with a different type of CAR construct, actually discontinued the program that they were originally moving forward with and opted for a different manufacturing process that set them back. kite gilead who's also in this race with a different type of car construct actually discontinued the program that they were originally moving forward with and opted for a different manufacturing process that set them back They're coming. they're coming It's still in the race, but with, you know, several months if not a full year or more behind us. I think what I'm very proud of is Lyell has emerged with a strategy that really is putting us in the lead with a very strong program, both with respect to the clinical outcomes that we're observing, the safety profile, as well as a very reliable manufacturing process. It's still in the race, but with, you know, several months if not a full year or more behind us. it's still in the race but with you know several months if not a full year or more behind us I think what I'm very proud of is Lyell has emerged with a strategy that really is putting us in the lead with a very strong program, both with respect to the clinical outcomes that we're observing, the safety profile, as well as a very reliable manufacturing process. i think what i'm very proud of is lyell has emerged with a strategy that really is putting us in the lead with a very strong program both with respect to the clinical outcomes that we're observing the safety profile as well as a very reliable manufacturing process

Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, very interesting and, you know, recently, as you mentioned, J&J discontinued its ex vivo CD19/CD20 CAR T along with its CD19 mono CAR T as well. Just curious what you think that signals for the field, if anything, and maybe help us understand, you know, how you viewed their data. You know, I think it was generated in China. They had a five-year median PFS. Anything that we can learn from a competitive lens that frames where Ronde-cel operates today and if that has any signal for the class in general? Thank you. thank you Yeah, very interesting and, you know, recently, as you mentioned, J&J discontinued its ex vivo CD19/CD20 CAR T along with its CD19 mono CAR T as well. yeah very interesting and you know recently as you mentioned j&j discontinued its ex vivo cd19/cd20 car t along with its cd19 mono car t as well Just curious what you think that signals for the field, if anything, and maybe help us understand, you know, how you viewed their data. just curious what you think that signals for the field if anything and maybe help us understand you know how you viewed their data You know, I think it was generated in China. you know i think it was generated in china They had a five-year median PFS. they had a five-year median pfs Anything that we can learn from a competitive lens that frames where Ronde-cel operates today and if that has any signal for the class in general? anything that we can learn from a competitive lens that frames where ronde-cel operates today and if that has any signal for the class in general

Speaker 1: Sure. I think there's a lot of important messages there. The first thing I would say is this is great news for Lyell, and I think it just takes out a competitor, which is always important, obviously, not only for the recruitment timelines and clinical trials, but more importantly for the commercial marketplace. The big question is, you know, why did they drop out? Did they have some big strategic insight into the way the market was developing? Or I would put forth, quite frankly, I'm very proud of Lyell's strategy, right? We moved aggressively. We picked our dose. They were having a hard time finding their dose. If you look back at the data they initially presented, they had They looked at a 150 million cell dose. Sure. sure I think there's a lot of important messages there. i think there's a lot of important messages there The first thing I would say is this is great news for Lyell, and I think it just takes out a competitor, which is always important, obviously, not only for the recruitment timelines and clinical trials, but more importantly for the commercial marketplace. the first thing i would say is this is great news for lyell and i think it just takes out a competitor which is always important obviously not only for the recruitment timelines and clinical trials but more importantly for the commercial marketplace The big question is, you know, why did they drop out? the big question is you know why did they drop out Did they have some big strategic insight into the way the market was developing? did they have some big strategic insight into the way the market was developing Or I would put forth, quite frankly, I'm very proud of Lyell's strategy, right? or i would put forth quite frankly i'm very proud of lyell's strategy right We moved aggressively. we moved aggressively We picked our dose. we picked our dose They were having a hard time finding their dose. they were having a hard time finding their dose If you look back at the data they initially presented, they had They looked at a 150 million cell dose. if you look back at the data they initially presented they had they looked at a 150 million cell dose They looked at a 75 million cell dose, and it wasn't quite clear what direction they were going. They didn't present any new clinical data at ASH, which was surprising. In the meantime, you know, we barreled forward. If you think about a company like J&J, if they're not gonna be first in class with a large market, they're generally not one to play. You know, it's possible that Lyell beat them and, you know, they didn't wanna be third after Lyell and Kite Gilead. It's also important to note that the constructs between the two programs were highly similar. prizlo-cel or the J&J product originated in China from a company called AbelZeta Pharma that began developing this after the originator of the Lyell product, Yvonne Chen, patented and published her data and her structure. They looked at a 75 million cell dose, and it wasn't quite clear what direction they were going. they looked at a 75 million cell dose and it wasn't quite clear what direction they were going They didn't present any new clinical data at ASH, which was surprising. they didn't present any new clinical data at ash which was surprising In the meantime, you know, we barreled forward. in the meantime you know we barreled forward If you think about a company like J&J, if they're not gonna be first in class with a large market, they're generally not one to play. if you think about a company like j&j if they're not gonna be first in class with a large market they're generally not one to play You know, it's possible that Lyell beat them and, you know, they didn't wanna be third after Lyell and Kite Gilead. you know it's possible that lyell beat them and you know they didn't wanna be third after lyell and kite gilead It's also important to note that the constructs between the two programs were highly similar. prizlo-cel or the J&J product originated in China from a company called AbelZeta Pharma that began developing this after the originator of the Lyell product, Yvonne Chen, patented and published her data and her structure. it's also important to note that the constructs between the two programs were highly similar prizlo-cel or the j&j product originated in china from a company called abelzeta pharma that began developing this after the originator of the lyell product yvonne chen patented and published her data and her structure They came out with this data from China, which was very compelling. AbelZeta came out with this data from China that was very compelling. One of the lessons that's very important to appreciate is that in lymphoma and, of course, other cancers as well, who you enroll in your patients, what the demographics and the disease characteristics are, do impact outcomes substantially. In that trial initially done in China, if you look at it carefully, the median age of patients was 55. Well, large B-cell lymphoma is a disease of the elderly. If you look at the median age in our trials, the median age is 65, a decade later, with 20% of patients over the age of 75. That was surprising. They came out with this data from China, which was very compelling. they came out with this data from china which was very compelling AbelZeta came out with this data from China that was very compelling. abelzeta came out with this data from china that was very compelling One of the lessons that's very important to appreciate is that in lymphoma and, of course, other cancers as well, who you enroll in your patients, what the demographics and the disease characteristics are, do impact outcomes substantially. one of the lessons that's very important to appreciate is that in lymphoma and of course other cancers as well who you enroll in your patients what the demographics and the disease characteristics are do impact outcomes substantially In that trial initially done in China, if you look at it carefully, the median age of patients was 55. in that trial initially done in china if you look at it carefully the median age of patients was 55 Well, large B-cell lymphoma is a disease of the elderly. well large b-cell lymphoma is a disease of the elderly If you look at the median age in our trials, the median age is 65, a decade later, with 20% of patients over the age of 75. if you look at the median age in our trials the median age is 65 a decade later with 20% of patients over the age of 75 That was surprising. that was surprising The other thing that was surprising, if you look at something like performance status, the overall health of the patient, it's captured in something called the ECOG performance status. About 65% of their patients were normal. You might see only, you know, 30% of patients having 70% being elevated or decreased performance status in a Westernized. Those are sorts of things that would impact the outcome. I think at this point in time, you know, what I'm really proud of is that I think Lyell is moving forward. We've been moving forward consistently with the same dose, treating patients. Our data have been consistent over time, and we're really looking forward to providing the significant data update on this program, data from the pivotal trial and the third or later line in the H2 of this year. The other thing that was surprising, if you look at something like performance status, the overall health of the patient, it's captured in something called the ECOG performance status. the other thing that was surprising if you look at something like performance status the overall health of the patient it's captured in something called the ecog performance status About 65% of their patients were normal. about 65% of their patients were normal You might see only, you know, 30% of patients having 70% being elevated or decreased performance status in a Westernized. you might see only you know 30% of patients having 70% being elevated or decreased performance status in a westernized Those are sorts of things that would impact the outcome. those are sorts of things that would impact the outcome I think at this point in time, you know, what I'm really proud of is that I think Lyell is moving forward. i think at this point in time you know what i'm really proud of is that i think lyell is moving forward We've been moving forward consistently with the same dose, treating patients. we've been moving forward consistently with the same dose treating patients Our data have been consistent over time, and we're really looking forward to providing the significant data update on this program, data from the pivotal trial and the third or later line in the H2 of this year. our data have been consistent over time and we're really looking forward to providing the significant data update on this program data from the pivotal trial and the third or later line in the h2 of this year

Speaker 2: Great. Yeah. I'm just gonna maybe jump around in topics a little bit because it's related. With Kite, you had mentioned, so with J&J, one interpretation could be that, you know, maybe potentially you were beating them on durability and other metrics and that they decided, "Hey, we're not gonna compete." Is that what you think happened with Kite as well when they moved from 363 to 753? What is your interpretation of them stepping back from 363? Great. great Yeah. yeah I'm just gonna maybe jump around in topics a little bit because it's related. i'm just gonna maybe jump around in topics a little bit because it's related With Kite, you had mentioned, so with J&J, one interpretation could be that, you know, maybe potentially you were beating them on durability and other metrics and that they decided, "Hey, we're not gonna compete." Is that what you think happened with Kite as well when they moved from 363 to 753? with kite you had mentioned so with j&j one interpretation could be that you know maybe potentially you were beating them on durability and other metrics and that they decided "hey we're not gonna compete." is that what you think happened with kite as well when they moved from 363 to 753 What is your interpretation of them stepping back from 363? what is your interpretation of them stepping back from 363

Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know what goes on inside of companies, but, you know, taking a careful look at the data they presented at the Lugano International Conference on Malignant Lymphoma meeting, they had a 46% rate of grade 1 or 2 ICANS. That means about half of their patients were developing ICANS, which is not a great product profile. If you think about the problems they're having with Yescarta to date with their neurotoxicity, they probably didn't wanna get into that same situation, so they moved to a different manufacturing process, I have to suspect, obviously I don't know, to get that ICANS rate lower. What we do know about their construct is it's very different from ours. Obviously we don't know what goes on inside of companies, but, you know, taking a careful look at the data they presented at the Lugano International Conference on Malignant Lymphoma meeting, they had a 46% rate of grade 1 or 2 ICANS. obviously we don't know what goes on inside of companies but you know taking a careful look at the data they presented at the lugano international conference on malignant lymphoma meeting they had a 46% rate of grade 1 or 2 icans That means about half of their patients were developing ICANS, which is not a great product profile. that means about half of their patients were developing icans which is not a great product profile If you think about the problems they're having with Yescarta to date with their neurotoxicity, they probably didn't wanna get into that same situation, so they moved to a different manufacturing process, I have to suspect, obviously I don't know, to get that ICANS rate lower. if you think about the problems they're having with yescarta to date with their neurotoxicity they probably didn't wanna get into that same situation so they moved to a different manufacturing process i have to suspect obviously i don't know to get that icans rate lower What we do know about their construct is it's very different from ours. what we do know about their construct is it's very different from ours We have a single CAR express that binds both CD19 and CD20, so it's in a single CAR, and it's full potency at either CD19 or CD20. They express two CARs on T-cells, and so one is Yescarta and the other is CD20. These are gonna be a test of which is better, a bicistronic CAR or a very well-designed, full-potent tandem CAR. We'll see. That's what they're moving forward now. We have a single CAR express that binds both CD19 and CD20, so it's in a single CAR, and it's full potency at either CD19 or CD20. we have a single car express that binds both cd19 and cd20 so it's in a single car and it's full potency at either cd19 or cd20 They express two CARs on T-cells, and so one is Yescarta and the other is CD20. they express two cars on t-cells and so one is yescarta and the other is cd20 These are gonna be a test of which is better, a bicistronic CAR or a very well-designed, full-potent tandem CAR. these are gonna be a test of which is better a bicistronic car or a very well-designed full-potent tandem car We'll see. we'll see That's what they're moving forward now. that's what they're moving forward now

Speaker 2: Great. Okay. You know, on J&J's construct that has been discontinued, prizlo-cel, that was a potential, you know, benchmark for durability. I think it was, you know, up in the air for folks since the data hadn't been replicated yet. Now that that's not even really a question, who do you view as the main competitor, and what do you think the right bar is in third line, I guess, to start off, since that is, you know, where most, I think, will start as kind of the later line setting for advancing? Great. great Okay. okay You know, on J&J's construct that has been discontinued, prizlo-cel, that was a potential, you know, benchmark for durability. you know on j&j's construct that has been discontinued prizlo-cel that was a potential you know benchmark for durability I think it was, you know, up in the air for folks since the data hadn't been replicated yet. i think it was you know up in the air for folks since the data hadn't been replicated yet Now that that's not even really a question, who do you view as the main competitor, and what do you think the right bar is in third line, I guess, to start off, since that is, you know, where most, I think, will start as kind of the later line setting for advancing? now that that's not even really a question who do you view as the main competitor and what do you think the right bar is in third line i guess to start off since that is you know where most i think will start as kind of the later line setting for advancing

Speaker 1: I think the bar is our key competitors, which are Breyanzi and Yescarta. Our objective and from day one has been to bring next-generation CAR for large B-cell lymphoma. The first generations were transformative, but now we're ready for the next step, right? We really are looking to replace them. What is the bar they set in the third or later line? They have about 70% overall response rate, 50% complete response rate, and 6-7 months median progression-free survival. We're coming with 93% overall response rate, 76% complete response rates, with a median progression-free survival of 18 months. I mean, it's clear data. You don't have to wonder about, is that really better? I think the bar is our key competitors, which are Breyanzi and Yescarta. i think the bar is our key competitors which are breyanzi and yescarta Our objective and from day one has been to bring next-generation CAR for large B-cell lymphoma. our objective and from day one has been to bring next-generation car for large b-cell lymphoma The first generations were transformative, but now we're ready for the next step, right? the first generations were transformative but now we're ready for the next step right We really are looking to replace them. we really are looking to replace them What is the bar they set in the third or later line? what is the bar they set in the third or later line They have about 70% overall response rate, 50% complete response rate, and 6-7 months median progression-free survival. they have about 70% overall response rate 50% complete response rate and 6-7 months median progression-free survival We're coming with 93% overall response rate, 76% complete response rates, with a median progression-free survival of 18 months. we're coming with 93% overall response rate 76% complete response rates with a median progression-free survival of 18 months I mean, it's clear data. i mean it's clear data You don't have to wonder about, is that really better? you don't have to wonder about is that really better That's pretty clear with a safety profile where we have seen no grade 3 or higher cytokine release syndrome in our program, and that our ICANS rate that we reported at ASH is less than 5%. A very nice product profile appropriate for outpatient administration. That's pretty clear with a safety profile where we have seen no grade 3 or higher cytokine release syndrome in our program, and that our ICANS rate that we reported at ASH is less than 5%. that's pretty clear with a safety profile where we have seen no grade 3 or higher cytokine release syndrome in our program and that our icans rate that we reported at ash is less than 5% A very nice product profile appropriate for outpatient administration. a very nice product profile appropriate for outpatient administration

Speaker 2: Great. Okay. For Kite's newer construct, 753, obviously they took a step back, you know, it's gonna take them a while to show durability, but the durability on the first contract was okay. You know, they didn't have MPFS yet, you all do, so you're still in the lead, now you're in the lead by a larger margin. If they continue to show, let's say, similar early CRs and durability of those CRs, do you view them as a competitor, or do you think that lead is very important? How do you see them as a competitor? Obviously, Yescarta and Breyanzi, definitely You know, I think it's a lot of folks feel like the CD19/20s are trumping those at this point. How do you view these emerging? Great. great Okay. okay For Kite's newer construct, 753, obviously they took a step back, you know, it's gonna take them a while to show durability, but the durability on the first contract was okay. for kite's newer construct 753 obviously they took a step back you know it's gonna take them a while to show durability but the durability on the first contract was okay You know, they didn't have MPFS yet, you all do, so you're still in the lead, now you're in the lead by a larger margin. you know they didn't have mpfs yet you all do so you're still in the lead now you're in the lead by a larger margin If they continue to show, let's say, similar early CRs and durability of those CRs, do you view them as a competitor, or do you think that lead is very important? if they continue to show let's say similar early crs and durability of those crs do you view them as a competitor or do you think that lead is very important How do you see them as a competitor? how do you see them as a competitor Obviously, Yescarta and Breyanzi, definitely You know, I think it's a lot of folks feel like the CD19/20s are trumping those at this point. obviously yescarta and breyanzi definitely you know i think it's a lot of folks feel like the cd19/20s are trumping those at this point How do you view these emerging? how do you view these emerging

Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first of all, I think it's very validating that somebody who is in this space also agrees that the CD19/20s are gonna replace Yescarta and Breyanzi. I think, of course, they will be a competitor. One of the things that I think we have done and done very well is we've got this third line program that we're taking for approval. Remember, the primary endpoint of that study is overall response rate. I just told you our overall response rate is 93%. That bodes very well for us to getting approval and getting out first and replacing the CD19 CARs is very important to us. Because think about it. We know these physicians, CAR T-cell prescribers are very much data-driven. Well, I mean, first of all, I think it's very validating that somebody who is in this space also agrees that the CD19/20s are gonna replace Yescarta and Breyanzi. well i mean first of all i think it's very validating that somebody who is in this space also agrees that the cd19/20s are gonna replace yescarta and breyanzi I think, of course, they will be a competitor. i think of course they will be a competitor One of the things that I think we have done and done very well is we've got this third line program that we're taking for approval. one of the things that i think we have done and done very well is we've got this third line program that we're taking for approval Remember, the primary endpoint of that study is overall response rate. remember the primary endpoint of that study is overall response rate I just told you our overall response rate is 93%. i just told you our overall response rate is 93% That bodes very well for us to getting approval and getting out first and replacing the CD19 CARs is very important to us. that bodes very well for us to getting approval and getting out first and replacing the cd19 cars is very important to us Because think about it. because think about it We know these physicians, CAR T-cell prescribers are very much data-driven. we know these physicians car t-cell prescribers are very much data-driven They will switch products based on better safety or better efficacy. We intend to bring both. If we can get them to switch to us, then whoever comes second is gonna have to supplant us. There's not very much headroom left, right? The efficacy is already very good. The safety is already very good. To be better is gonna be hard. Being first is actually, I believe, in this particular situation, quite important. The other thing we've done is we have a very elegant design for our head-to-head study, which they are not matching. I think heard from many, many of the investigators and leaders in the space that they really like our head-to-head study design because we allow in real world investigators choice, that physicians are able to select either Yescarta or Breyanzi as the comparator while in the Kite study they are only comparing against Yescarta. They will switch products based on better safety or better efficacy. they will switch products based on better safety or better efficacy We intend to bring both. we intend to bring both If we can get them to switch to us, then whoever comes second is gonna have to supplant us. if we can get them to switch to us then whoever comes second is gonna have to supplant us There's not very much headroom left, right? there's not very much headroom left right The efficacy is already very good. the efficacy is already very good The safety is already very good. the safety is already very good To be better is gonna be hard. to be better is gonna be hard Being first is actually, I believe, in this particular situation, quite important. being first is actually i believe in this particular situation quite important The other thing we've done is we have a very elegant design for our head-to-head study, which they are not matching. the other thing we've done is we have a very elegant design for our head-to-head study which they are not matching I think heard from many, many of the investigators and leaders in the space that they really like our head-to-head study design because we allow in real world investigators choice, that physicians are able to select either Yescarta or Breyanzi as the comparator while in the Kite study they are only comparing against Yescarta. i think heard from many many of the investigators and leaders in the space that they really like our head-to-head study design because we allow in real world investigators choice that physicians are able to select either yescarta or breyanzi as the comparator while in the kite study they are only comparing against yescarta

Speaker 2: Okay. Wonderful. I think the final competitor that I have yet to bring up, it's much earlier, but people are really interested in this. in vivo CD19/20 CAR T, Legend has a construct and we may hear more. We're going to hear more soon at a major medical meeting in mid-year. How do you view in vivo versus your ex vivo approach? Obviously, all the things we talked about, the little headroom to beat where you're at. Some folks say, you know, with in vivo, there may be an off-the-shelf approach and, you know, you can maybe be a little bit more equivalent or, you know, the bar is a little lower for them. Wondering how you view in vivo broadly versus Ronde-cel. Okay. okay Wonderful. wonderful I think the final competitor that I have yet to bring up, it's much earlier, but people are really interested in this. in vivo CD19/20 CAR T, Legend has a construct and we may hear more. i think the final competitor that i have yet to bring up it's much earlier but people are really interested in this in vivo cd19/20 car t legend has a construct and we may hear more We're going to hear more soon at a major medical meeting in mid-year. we're going to hear more soon at a major medical meeting in mid-year How do you view in vivo versus your ex vivo approach? how do you view in vivo versus your ex vivo approach Obviously, all the things we talked about, the little headroom to beat where you're at. obviously all the things we talked about the little headroom to beat where you're at Some folks say, you know, with in vivo, there may be an off-the-shelf approach and, you know, you can maybe be a little bit more equivalent or, you know, the bar is a little lower for them. some folks say you know with in vivo there may be an off-the-shelf approach and you know you can maybe be a little bit more equivalent or you know the bar is a little lower for them Wondering how you view in vivo broadly versus Ronde-cel. wondering how you view in vivo broadly versus ronde-cel

Speaker 1: Sure. The field's very excited about in vivo CAR, as are we, right? This is exciting new technology, but as you pointed out, it's early. What, you know, is in vivo CAR going to have to bring to the table to be a threat to Ronde-cel, right? Three things. It's gotta have the same CR rates, it's gotta have durability, and its safety. You have to assume that the very first CD19/20 in vivo CAR is gonna come out with all three of those variables on par at first shot to be a threat to Ronde-cel. While that might happen, I think the probability is it's gonna take a while, right? In the meantime, the Legend program, which is coming out, we're all looking forward to seeing the data, is being developed in China, so they're gonna have to repeat that, right? Sure. sure The field's very excited about in vivo CAR, as are we, right? the field's very excited about in vivo car as are we right This is exciting new technology, but as you pointed out, it's early. this is exciting new technology but as you pointed out it's early What, you know, is in vivo CAR going to have to bring to the table to be a threat to Ronde-cel, right? what you know is in vivo car going to have to bring to the table to be a threat to ronde-cel right Three things. three things It's gotta have the same CR rates, it's gotta have durability, and its safety. it's gotta have the same cr rates it's gotta have durability and its safety You have to assume that the very first CD19/20 in vivo CAR is gonna come out with all three of those variables on par at first shot to be a threat to Ronde-cel. you have to assume that the very first cd19/20 in vivo car is gonna come out with all three of those variables on par at first shot to be a threat to ronde-cel While that might happen, I think the probability is it's gonna take a while, right? while that might happen i think the probability is it's gonna take a while right In the meantime, the Legend program, which is coming out, we're all looking forward to seeing the data, is being developed in China, so they're gonna have to repeat that, right? in the meantime the legend program which is coming out we're all looking forward to seeing the data is being developed in china so they're gonna have to repeat that right Durability, as we know, takes some time. I've just told you our median progression-free survival is 18 months. We feel very confident in our position with Ronde-cel. We believe that autologous CAR is the standard of care and will continue for CAR T-cell therapy, where in vivo is exciting, as you say. It can broaden access, right? That it can be available for patients who can't get the standard of care. In terms of a threat to Ronde-cel, you know, it's gonna take some time, and I think we're in a great position. I would also say that we believe we're gonna be able to improve access with Ronde-cel, and I say that because the value proposition is changing. If you think about it, the safety profile is much better, so you can be treated as an outpatient. Durability, as we know, takes some time. durability as we know takes some time I've just told you our median progression-free survival is 18 months. i've just told you our median progression-free survival is 18 months We feel very confident in our position with Ronde-cel. we feel very confident in our position with ronde-cel We believe that autologous CAR is the standard of care and will continue for CAR T-cell therapy, where in vivo is exciting, as you say. we believe that autologous car is the standard of care and will continue for car t-cell therapy where in vivo is exciting as you say It can broaden access, right? it can broaden access right That it can be available for patients who can't get the standard of care. that it can be available for patients who can't get the standard of care In terms of a threat to Ronde-cel, you know, it's gonna take some time, and I think we're in a great position. in terms of a threat to ronde-cel you know it's gonna take some time and i think we're in a great position I would also say that we believe we're gonna be able to improve access with Ronde-cel, and I say that because the value proposition is changing. i would also say that we believe we're gonna be able to improve access with ronde-cel and i say that because the value proposition is changing If you think about it, the safety profile is much better, so you can be treated as an outpatient. if you think about it the safety profile is much better so you can be treated as an outpatient It's much easier for community hospitals or centers to manage. Number two is the benefit is better. Before in the third line, for example, you had a flip of a coin, 50% chance of going into remission. Now we're saying 75%, right? Much higher. With that value proposition for patients and for providers, I think that's also gonna help with the access for autologous CAR. It's much easier for community hospitals or centers to manage. it's much easier for community hospitals or centers to manage Number two is the benefit is better. number two is the benefit is better Before in the third line, for example, you had a flip of a coin, 50% chance of going into remission. before in the third line for example you had a flip of a coin 50% chance of going into remission Now we're saying 75%, right? now we're saying 75% right Much higher. much higher With that value proposition for patients and for providers, I think that's also gonna help with the access for autologous CAR. with that value proposition for patients and for providers i think that's also gonna help with the access for autologous car

Speaker 2: Great. Okay. Moving from third line to second line, you have the head-to-head trial, which is super important. As you mentioned, it's, you know, DLBCL is very hard to compare cross-trial because of the patient characteristics. What result would be sufficient? What result would be positive? Help us walk through the scenarios. I think the obvious answer is just beating the comparator, right? You know, if you beat, you know, just by like 1% CR, it's not, it's not Is it a big deal, right? Because safety's better. Like walk through maybe some scenarios how we should interpret second line. Great. great Okay. okay Moving from third line to second line, you have the head-to-head trial, which is super important. moving from third line to second line you have the head-to-head trial which is super important As you mentioned, it's, you know, DLBCL is very hard to compare cross-trial because of the patient characteristics. as you mentioned it's you know dlbcl is very hard to compare cross-trial because of the patient characteristics What result would be sufficient? what result would be sufficient What result would be positive? what result would be positive Help us walk through the scenarios. help us walk through the scenarios I think the obvious answer is just beating the comparator, right? i think the obvious answer is just beating the comparator right You know, if you beat, you know, just by like 1% CR, it's not, it's not Is it a big deal, right? you know if you beat you know just by like 1% cr it's not it's not is it a big deal right Because safety's better. because safety's better Like walk through maybe some scenarios how we should interpret second line. like walk through maybe some scenarios how we should interpret second line

Speaker 1: This is the gold standard randomized controlled superiority trial. The p-value is going to determine success, right? It's a benefit that I think we're going to be randomizing patients. They're going to be apples to apples with stratified for risk, if we show better event-free survival, which is the primary endpoint that is statistically significant, that is going to be absolutely fantastic and sufficient, and something that we think is very probable based upon the data that we have observed to date. There is safety, right? Because remember, physicians, these prescribers make decisions not only on the efficacy benefit, which is the most important, but also on the safety profile. We have two opportunities really to demonstrate the full potential of our product. This is the gold standard randomized controlled superiority trial. this is the gold standard randomized controlled superiority trial The p-value is going to determine success, right? the p-value is going to determine success right It's a benefit that I think we're going to be randomizing patients. it's a benefit that i think we're going to be randomizing patients They're going to be apples to apples with stratified for risk, if we show better event-free survival, which is the primary endpoint that is statistically significant, that is going to be absolutely fantastic and sufficient, and something that we think is very probable based upon the data that we have observed to date. they're going to be apples to apples with stratified for risk if we show better event-free survival which is the primary endpoint that is statistically significant that is going to be absolutely fantastic and sufficient and something that we think is very probable based upon the data that we have observed to date There is safety, right? there is safety right Because remember, physicians, these prescribers make decisions not only on the efficacy benefit, which is the most important, but also on the safety profile. because remember physicians these prescribers make decisions not only on the efficacy benefit which is the most important but also on the safety profile We have two opportunities really to demonstrate the full potential of our product. we have two opportunities really to demonstrate the full potential of our product

Speaker 2: Great. Okay. From, you know, when we're thinking about the second-line opportunity versus the third-line opportunity, I think it would be helpful for the audience to understand, how do you view the third line and the second line in terms of contribution to the commercial opportunity for Lyell? I think some folks previously had thought like, "Oh, they need to get to second line," right? Help us understand, what if it's a third-line therapy and that's all you're pursuing and, you know, what's the additional benefit of getting into second line? How do we think about that? Great. great Okay. okay From, you know, when we're thinking about the second-line opportunity versus the third-line opportunity, I think it would be helpful for the audience to understand, how do you view the third line and the second line in terms of contribution to the commercial opportunity for Lyell? from you know when we're thinking about the second-line opportunity versus the third-line opportunity i think it would be helpful for the audience to understand how do you view the third line and the second line in terms of contribution to the commercial opportunity for lyell I think some folks previously had thought like, "Oh, they need to get to second line," right? i think some folks previously had thought like "oh they need to get to second line," right Help us understand, what if it's a third-line therapy and that's all you're pursuing and, you know, what's the additional benefit of getting into second line? help us understand what if it's a third-line therapy and that's all you're pursuing and you know what's the additional benefit of getting into second line How do we think about that? how do we think about that

Speaker 1: We think this is something that a lot of people are missing. We know from a series that have been published out of Memorial Sloan Kettering from our own experience from claims data that more than 50% of patients have already experienced two lines of chemotherapy before they undergo apheresis. We know that the intent of CAR is cure. If you're not getting cured by that second line, meaning going into complete response or a very good partial response, that is in essence an on-label third-line patient. We think that there are 6,000-7,000 patients eligible for CAR in the third line. Being first with this third line with the BLA submission expected next year, we think this is a substantial opportunity for us. We think this is something that a lot of people are missing. we think this is something that a lot of people are missing We know from a series that have been published out of Memorial Sloan Kettering from our own experience from claims data that more than 50% of patients have already experienced two lines of chemotherapy before they undergo apheresis. we know from a series that have been published out of memorial sloan kettering from our own experience from claims data that more than 50% of patients have already experienced two lines of chemotherapy before they undergo apheresis We know that the intent of CAR is cure. we know that the intent of car is cure If you're not getting cured by that second line, meaning going into complete response or a very good partial response, that is in essence an on-label third-line patient. if you're not getting cured by that second line meaning going into complete response or a very good partial response that is in essence an on-label third-line patient We think that there are 6,000-7,000 patients eligible for CAR in the third line. we think that there are 6,000-7,000 patients eligible for car in the third line Being first with this third line with the BLA submission expected next year, we think this is a substantial opportunity for us. being first with this third line with the bla submission expected next year we think this is a substantial opportunity for us Remember, our footprint for our head-to-head trial, we've got sites all over the country enrolling patients onto Ronde-cel and get experience with the product now as we're recruiting this head-to-head trial. We think this combination, this strategy bodes very well for the launch of this product. Remember, our footprint for our head-to-head trial, we've got sites all over the country enrolling patients onto Ronde-cel and get experience with the product now as we're recruiting this head-to-head trial. remember our footprint for our head-to-head trial we've got sites all over the country enrolling patients onto ronde-cel and get experience with the product now as we're recruiting this head-to-head trial We think this combination, this strategy bodes very well for the launch of this product. we think this combination this strategy bodes very well for the launch of this product

Speaker 2: Could you also help just clarify that third line, like who are those third line patients? Sometimes physicians don't even realize right now that maybe they have a third line patient and it's a second line patient. That was super interesting to me, and I think if we could share with the audience, they can understand that this is maybe even bigger opportunity- Could you also help just clarify that third line, like who are those third line patients? could you also help just clarify that third line like who are those third line patients Sometimes physicians don't even realize right now that maybe they have a third line patient and it's a second line patient. sometimes physicians don't even realize right now that maybe they have a third line patient and it's a second line patient That was super interesting to me, and I think if we could share with the audience, they can understand that this is maybe even bigger opportunity- that was super interesting to me and i think if we could share with the audience they can understand that this is maybe even bigger opportunity-

Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah yeah

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Speaker 1: Doctors don't count lines right now. CARs are approved in both the second and the third lines, NCCN guidelines say give CAR in the second line. There is intention to treat in the second line. What happens is if you're in the community and you progress on frontline therapy, about 50% of the time or more, you get started on another line of chemotherapy as you get referred in and get that medical appointment for apheresis. That's the second line. If you don't have a CR to that, if you don't have a very good partial response to that, you're a third line patient. That's what we're seeing, that's why we know that the potential market for this is much bigger than many people expect. Doctors don't count lines right now. doctors don't count lines right now CARs are approved in both the second and the third lines, NCCN guidelines say give CAR in the second line. cars are approved in both the second and the third lines nccn guidelines say give car in the second line There is intention to treat in the second line. there is intention to treat in the second line What happens is if you're in the community and you progress on frontline therapy, about 50% of the time or more, you get started on another line of chemotherapy as you get referred in and get that medical appointment for apheresis. what happens is if you're in the community and you progress on frontline therapy about 50% of the time or more you get started on another line of chemotherapy as you get referred in and get that medical appointment for apheresis That's the second line. that's the second line If you don't have a CR to that, if you don't have a very good partial response to that, you're a third line patient. if you don't have a cr to that if you don't have a very good partial response to that you're a third line patient That's what we're seeing, that's why we know that the potential market for this is much bigger than many people expect. that's what we're seeing that's why we know that the potential market for this is much bigger than many people expect

Speaker 2: Excellent. Okay. Last on Ronde-cel before we move on. Can you help us understand where the CD62L enrichment is doing the work and just a little bit of the differentiation of the construct? Excellent. excellent Okay. okay Last on Ronde-cel before we move on. last on ronde-cel before we move on Can you help us understand where the CD62L enrichment is doing the work and just a little bit of the differentiation of the construct? can you help us understand where the cd62l enrichment is doing the work and just a little bit of the differentiation of the construct

Speaker 1: Yeah. This is very much our secret sauce, and I think this is something we do during manufacturing. It's a very short cell selection process where we are enriching our product for naive, more fit central memory and naive T cells, which really have multiple purposes, but I like to think of it primarily as giving that duration of response. They persist. They don't get exhausted and die off as quickly as those more differentiated cells do. Of course, it also helps with what we call the softer safety profile. Yeah. yeah This is very much our secret sauce, and I think this is something we do during manufacturing. this is very much our secret sauce and i think this is something we do during manufacturing It's a very short cell selection process where we are enriching our product for naive, more fit central memory and naive T cells, which really have multiple purposes, but I like to think of it primarily as giving that duration of response. it's a very short cell selection process where we are enriching our product for naive more fit central memory and naive t cells which really have multiple purposes but i like to think of it primarily as giving that duration of response They persist. they persist They don't get exhausted and die off as quickly as those more differentiated cells do. they don't get exhausted and die off as quickly as those more differentiated cells do Of course, it also helps with what we call the softer safety profile. of course it also helps with what we call the softer safety profile

Speaker 2: Okay, great. moving to CRC, LYL273 is showing activity that's really unprecedented for cell therapy, in solid tumors. What gives you the most confidence that, you know, the signal that we've seen so far is real and reproducible, as a solid tumor CAR T? Just help us understand how beneficial the data look in, you know, later line colorectal cancer where the options are so limited. Okay, great. moving to CRC, LYL273 is showing activity that's really unprecedented for cell therapy, in solid tumors. okay great moving to crc lyl273 is showing activity that's really unprecedented for cell therapy in solid tumors What gives you the most confidence that, you know, the signal that we've seen so far is real and reproducible, as a solid tumor CAR T? what gives you the most confidence that you know the signal that we've seen so far is real and reproducible as a solid tumor car t Just help us understand how beneficial the data look in, you know, later line colorectal cancer where the options are so limited. just help us understand how beneficial the data look in you know later line colorectal cancer where the options are so limited

Speaker 1: Yeah, the options are really sad, quite frankly. There's sort of frontline therapy and then a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't work, quite frankly, or doesn't work well. I think what we're seeing is an active CAR T-cell therapy for metastatic colorectal cancer. Why can I say that? Because we're seeing patients having responses. We have a patient, for example, that we've presented data publicly with that is now two years out from her CAR T-cell therapy ctDNA negative, right? No evidence of disease at this point. We're seeing very nice response rates. We know it's an active CAR. The onus is on us now is to move the development forward as quickly as we can. Yeah, the options are really sad, quite frankly. yeah the options are really sad quite frankly There's sort of frontline therapy and then a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't work, quite frankly, or doesn't work well. there's sort of frontline therapy and then a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't work quite frankly or doesn't work well I think what we're seeing is an active CAR T-cell therapy for metastatic colorectal cancer. i think what we're seeing is an active car t-cell therapy for metastatic colorectal cancer Why can I say that? why can i say that Because we're seeing patients having responses. because we're seeing patients having responses We have a patient, for example, that we've presented data publicly with that is now two years out from her CAR T-cell therapy ctDNA negative, right? we have a patient for example that we've presented data publicly with that is now two years out from her car t-cell therapy ctdna negative right No evidence of disease at this point. no evidence of disease at this point We're seeing very nice response rates. we're seeing very nice response rates We know it's an active CAR. we know it's an active car The onus is on us now is to move the development forward as quickly as we can. the onus is on us now is to move the development forward as quickly as we can Why am I confident? Because this CAR design answers a couple of the key barriers in solid tumor, right? One is the fact that we get the cell expansion that we need because we have partnered our CAR with CD19 CAR, which is a really unusual novel design, which helps get that cell expansion that we need to get the GCC CARs into that hostile tumor microenvironment. The other thing we've done is engineered the CD19 CAR to release cytokines or these sort supportive hormones basically is a simple way to think about these cytokines, that they actually open up the hostile tumor microenvironment by supporting these CARs inside the tumor and allowing them to expand and kill. It is this novel mechanism coupled with the activity that we're seeing in patients in the U.S. that is giving us that confidence. Why am I confident? Because t his CAR design answers a couple of the key barriers in solid tumor, right? why am i confident? because t his car design answers a couple of the key barriers in solid tumor right One is the fact that we get the cell expansion that we need because we have partnered our CAR with CD19 CAR, which is a really unusual novel design, which helps get that cell expansion that we need to get the GCC CARs into that hostile tumor microenvironment. one is the fact that we get the cell expansion that we need because we have partnered our car with cd19 car which is a really unusual novel design which helps get that cell expansion that we need to get the gcc cars into that hostile tumor microenvironment The other thing we've done is engineered the CD19 CAR to release cytokines or these sort supportive hormones basically is a simple way to think about these cytokines, that they actually open up the hostile tumor microenvironment by supporting these CARs inside the tumor and allowing them to expand and kill. the other thing we've done is engineered the cd19 car to release cytokines or these sort supportive hormones basically is a simple way to think about these cytokines that they actually open up the hostile tumor microenvironment by supporting these cars inside the tumor and allowing them to expand and kill It is this novel mechanism coupled with the activity that we're seeing in patients in the U.S. that is giving us that confidence. it is this novel mechanism coupled with the activity that we're seeing in patients in the u.s that is giving us that confidence

Speaker 2: Excellent. We've covered a lot of ground today. I think, to close, I would love to have you recap the catalysts ahead. I think this is truly an eventful year for the company. Maybe help set the stage for those who now have Lyell on their watchlist for 2026 and 2027. Excellent. excellent We've covered a lot of ground today. we've covered a lot of ground today I think, to close, I would love to have you recap the catalysts ahead. i think to close i would love to have you recap the catalysts ahead I think this is truly an eventful year for the company. i think this is truly an eventful year for the company Maybe help set the stage for those who now have Lyell on their watchlist for 2026 and 2027. maybe help set the stage for those who now have lyell on their watchlist for 2026 and 2027

Speaker 1: Well, thank you. No, we're super excited about the upcoming timeframe. We really think we're in a great position to add tremendous value creation. We have a substantial update on the pivotal trial and third line PiNNACLE coming in the H2 of this year, which is I think gonna be an important update. We have the pivotal data coming next year as well as BLA submission from that program. In the colorectal program, there's gonna be two updates. The first in this H1 coming soon is gonna be a safety update, largely to show that not only do we have an active CAR that we can treat these patients with a good safety profile. In the H2 of the year, a presentation at a medical conference, we hope where we can have more broader clinical outcomes as well. Well, thank you. well thank you No, we're super excited about the upcoming timeframe. no we're super excited about the upcoming timeframe We really think we're in a great position to add tremendous value creation. we really think we're in a great position to add tremendous value creation We have a substantial update on the pivotal trial and third line PiNNACLE coming in the H2 of this year, which is I think gonna be an important update. we have a substantial update on the pivotal trial and third line pinnacle coming in the h2 of this year which is i think gonna be an important update We have the pivotal data coming next year as well as BLA submission from that program. we have the pivotal data coming next year as well as bla submission from that program In the colorectal program, there's gonna be two updates. in the colorectal program there's gonna be two updates The first in this H1 coming soon is gonna be a safety update, largely to show that not only do we have an active CAR that we can treat these patients with a good safety profile. the first in this h1 coming soon is gonna be a safety update largely to show that not only do we have an active car that we can treat these patients with a good safety profile In the H2 of the year, a presentation at a medical conference, we hope where we can have more broader clinical outcomes as well. in the h2 of the year a presentation at a medical conference we hope where we can have more broader clinical outcomes as well

Speaker 2: Excellent. Thank you so much, Lynn. Thank you to the Lyell team, and thank you to all the investors that joined us today. Excellent. excellent Thank you so much, Lynn. thank you so much lynn Thank you to the Lyell team, and thank you to all the investors that joined us today. thank you to the lyell team and thank you to all the investors that joined us today

Speaker 1: Thanks, Mitchell Thanks, Mitchell thanks mitchell