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Lenzing AG — Call Transcript 2025
Nov 6, 2025
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Lenzing AG Analysts Conference Call and Live Webcast. I am Matilda, the CorusCall operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Rohit Aggarwal, CEO. Please go ahead. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the presentation of Lenzing's results for the first nine months of 2025. With us today is also Nico Reiner, our CFO. Let's go through our agenda for today. I'll start with a summary of the key developments, followed by the market update, as well as our refined strategy. Nico will then guide you through the financials, and I will talk about our investment highlights as well as the outlook. As usual, at the end, we are looking forward to your questions in our Q&A session. Let's start with the overview of the key highlights of the first three quarters. The market continued to remain challenging, and it's even more important that we have refined our strategy with a clear focus on premiumization and excellence. Revenue and EBITDA continued to improve in the first nine months, supported by a strong first quarter. However, market headwinds impacted us continuously in quarter three. The market environment is marked by geopolitical uncertainty, and especially the aggressive customs policy. EBITDA was additionally negatively impacted by restructuring one-offs. Operational excellence continues to be key for us, and we are further raising the bar on our agility and flexibility. Liquidity is one of our key priorities, and we made great progress. After this year's refinancing, our liquidity cushion reached a very solid level of EUR 1 billion. What remains unchanged are our core strengths: innovation and sustainability, where we were just confirmed as worldwide leader. This leads us to a confirmed EBITDA outlook by year-end. However, it needs to be said that visibility remains quite limited. International tariff measures have very much characterized the last couple of months globally. In Q1, markets were impacted only in a very limited way by tariff developments, and Lenzing achieved a strong result. However, the escalation from reciprocal tariffs followed in early April. This has led to both supply and demand shocks, impacting global value chains. Ongoing and repeatedly changing international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty led to tangible stress along the textile value chain and impacting consumer confidence negatively. The direct impact for Lenzing is limited. However, it leads to indirect effects on both demand and prices. On a more positive side, I can say that the non-woven markets were less affected by these tariff developments. To mitigate the tariff impact, Lenzing took actions in four ways. Number one, we maintain very close contact with our customers and regional value chains to handle the situation in the best possible way and to strengthen demand visibility. Number two, we believe that we are better positioned than other fiber manufacturers, given our global footprint, which allows us to shift fiber volumes between our production sites in order to manage cost and trade impact. Number three, we further strengthened our operational efficiency, which includes the target to reduce around 600 jobs in Austria, mainly in administration. Number four, we decided to start a review of strategic options, including a potential sale for the Indonesian production site, which supports our strategic focus on branded, high-performance fibers with higher margins. Let's look now in more detail at how the markets have developed. The relevant markets for Lenzing are textiles, non-wovens on the fiber side, as well as dissolved wood pulp. When adjusted for inflation, demand for apparel worldwide was up 2% in the first nine months of 2025 versus a year ago. Consumer sentiment remains low, which is negatively impacting discretionary spending with an elevated saving rate and a vacancy attitude. Growth driver was the U.S., which was driven by consumers pulling forward purchases in quarter two and quarter three in response to tariffs, while Europe and China were mostly flat in a challenging macro and cost of living environment. Let's turn our attention to non-wovens. Here end markets show higher resiliency with a relatively stable consumer demand. Compared to previous years, the seasonality period with weaker demand lasted a bit longer into September. However, I can say that the development in October was promising, given also a more positive sentiment towards 2026. The trend towards less plastics is ongoing, and the carbon footprint and other sustainability credentials are increasingly becoming a differentiator for non-woven manufacturers and brands, driven by consumer awareness and retail commitment, especially the U.S. and regulatory pressure in Europe. DWP demand is mostly driven by the production of regenerated cellulosic fibers. The production cuts we have seen in the viscose industry in quarter two were negatively impacting DWP demand and prices accordingly. As operating rates in viscose plants increased in quarter three and paper pulp prices stabilized, DWP prices saw some support, at least in U.S. dollar terms. Let's have now a look at the fiber prices on the Chinese market. Please keep in mind that prices shown on this slide are generic market prices. Generic viscose prices in China increased gradually in the third quarter in U.S. dollar terms. In July and August, demand improved, and inventories fell as peak season was on the horizon. However, the pace of price increases remained cautious. At the end of September, the price for medium-grade generic viscose fibers stood just 2% higher compared to the end of the second quarter at CNY 13,050 per ton. However, due to the weakened U.S. dollar, prices have decreased in euro terms, which is impacting Lenzing negatively. The situation on the cotton market did not change much in the third quarter, and international cotton prices fluctuated on a low level within the range. Dissolving pulp prices stopped falling in the third quarter, with support from improved demand from viscose plants and some temporary supply constraints. In the third quarter, imported hardwood DWP prices went up by 2% to $818 per ton. Here again, prices in euro terms have decreased due to the weakened U.S. dollar. Lenzing prices are mainly traded at a premium compared to generic prices, as the current share of specialties is at around 90%, and we are gradually withdrawing from the lower margin commodity segments. Let us now turn to the development of costs. Energy and chemical costs remain significantly higher than historical levels, especially energy prices in Europe, but at least they decreased somewhat in quarter three compared to the second quarter. Geopolitical conflicts such as Russia, Ukraine, and the Middle East continue to fuel the volatility of European gas prices. Lower demand due to warmer weather led to somewhat reduced gas prices in summer. [Cost ex] sort of prices remain high across regions, but reduced in general compared to Q2 due to weaker seasonal demand. Even with the slight improvement in the second quarter, both energy and chemical costs remain a major challenge for fiber production. As the relevant markets for us still show no signs of a sustainable recovery, it is even more important that we continue to keep our full focus on cost excellence, which remains a key pillar of our performance program. In 2024, we already realized over EUR 130 million in cost savings, and we do expect cost savings to further increase to annual cost savings of more than EUR 180 million for this year. We are clearly well on track to meet this target as well. To make it clear, we're talking about recurring targets with an ongoing impact beyond this year as well. We can certainly be satisfied with our success so far, but there are still improvement areas ahead of us in order to maximize our full potential. As communicated about a month back, we are refining Lenzing's strategy. Our refined strategy is built around four strategic priorities that together unlock value and prepare Lenzing for the future. Unlocking value happens in the first two pillars: premiumization and excellence. Premiumization means that we will concentrate more strongly on our branded and innovative fibers like TENCEL, VEOCEL, and ECOVERO, and gradually step back from less profitable commodity segments. By doing so, we improve margins and position Lenzing in areas where we can truly differentiate. The second is excellence. We are embedding a culture of efficiency and discipline across the group, not just through one-off savings, but by institutionalizing cost control, optimizing our footprint, and streamlining structures. This makes us leaner, more agile, and more resilient. We are implementing tough but necessary measures. By the end of 2025, around 300 positions will be reduced in Austria, mainly in overhead, supported by a social plan and with full assistance for those affected. This is expected to result in annual savings of over EUR 25 million from 2026 onwards. By 2027, another 300 positions will be reduced through internationalization as we strengthen our footprint in Asia and North America. Both measures will lead to total annual savings of more than EUR 45 million, latest fully effective before the end of 2027. The third pillar is innovation. Here we will focus resources on fewer but higher impact projects, accelerating time to market and ensuring that our pipeline continues to provide the next generation of premium fibers, whether in textiles or non-wovens. Finally, sustainability. This has always been part of Lenzing's DNA, but going forward, it will be leveraged even more as a value driver. With growing regulation and customer demand for sustainable products, our leadership in this area is a true competitive advantage. Taken together, these four priorities—premiumization, excellence, innovation, and sustainability—ensure that we just do not react to changes in the market but actively shape them, creating long-term value for customers, employees, and shareholders. Innovation and sustainability remain the foundation of Lenzing's long-term strategy, that they are what sets us apart from our competition. Even as we streamline, we will not compromise in these areas. On the innovation side, our pipeline continues to create real opportunities. One example is our new TENCEL HV100 fibers. The fiber features variable cut lengths designed to mirror the irregularities of natural fibers and brings undefined rawness of nature into TENCEL Lyocell portfolio for woven products such as denim. On the sustainability side, our leadership is recognized worldwide. We have just been reaffirmed our EcoVadis Platinum status, and with this, Lenzing is now in the top 1% of companies in sustainability performance. We've also just been confirmed as a global leader in the Canopy sustainability ranking, as we have taken once again first place in this year's hot-button report published by the Canadian nonprofit organization Canopy. These achievements are not just certificates; they are an asset that strengthens our brand, enhances customer partnerships, and increasingly drives premium pricing. With this, I hand over now to Nico for an update on financials. Thank you, Rohit, and a warm welcome from my side as well. The third quarter was negatively impacted by weakened fiber demand in continuously challenging markets, with revenues decreasing by 3% year on year. EBITDA decreased by EUR 27 million to EUR 72 million. This was partially driven by the decrease in revenue, just to mention. In addition, one-off restructuring costs for the headcount reduction program to mitigate market impact in the amount of EUR 13 million have also negatively impacted EBITDA. Additionally to that is to mention that we had the annual maintenance shutdown of LDC in the third quarter. Looking at the first nine months in total, both our revenues and our margins increased thanks to the measures that we have actively taken. Revenue increased by EUR 14 million in the first nine months compared to the nine months of 2024 and reached EUR 1.97 billion. EBITDA increased by EUR 77 million to EUR 340 million. As the number of CO2 certificates held continued to increase, we decided to sell some of them in the amount of EUR 37 million in the first nine months of this year, which positively impacted the EBITDA. Depreciation was at EUR 320 million, including an impairment of EUR 82 million, which I will talk about on the next slide. This led to an EBIT of EUR 21 million, which compares to EUR 38 million in the first nine months of 2024. Income taxes amounted to EUR 6 million compared to EUR 78 million in the first nine months of 2024, and the financial result was EUR 119 million compared to EUR 72 million in the first nine months of 2024. As a result, there was a loss of EUR 169 million for Lenzing shareholders, which compares to a loss of EUR 135 million in the first three quarters of 2024. Let's make it clear. Even though Q3 was negatively impacted by one-offs such as the restructuring costs, we are not satisfied with the result. However, on a positive note, we saw some stability in fiber demand in September compared to July and August, and October looks also more promising with a currently quite stable order book situation. Let's move to the next slide. As communicated, our refined strategy also addresses reviewing selected sites, including the Indonesian plant where a potential sale is under consideration. In this context, non-cash impairment losses on non-current assets, in particular property, plant, and equipment, of EUR 82.1 million were carried out. The impairment losses have a negative impact on EBIT but not an effect on EBITDA. EBIT, excluding the impact of the impairment, would have been slightly negative at EUR -6 million, which compares to EUR 88 million reported EBIT. Please note that this impairment amount is not audited for Q3 closing and therefore subject to change. Looking now at cash flow. Trading working capital further decreased and was down by 6% compared to the end of the second quarter due to lower inventory levels. With regards to CapEx, Lenzing continues to put a clear focus on maintenance and license to operate projects as part of its performance program, and CapEx remained on low levels of EUR 32 million in Q3. As you can see, we continue to have a very disciplined approach to capital allocation. As a result, unlevered free cash flow more than doubled to EUR 103 million in Q3, and we clearly continue to have a very clear focus on free cash flow generation. Let's move to the balance sheet. On the left side of the slide, we show the development of net financial debt. Even though the markets were challenging in the third quarter, net financial debt continued to move into the right direction. It came further down by EUR 35 million to about EUR 1.4 billion by the end of September. On the right side, you see the development of our liquidity cushion. It increased by EUR 23 million compared to the end of last quarter and reached a very solid level of EUR 993 million. Let us look at our debt maturities on the next slide. Let's have a short recap on the refinancing measures we have taken recently. In October last year, we have converted the project financing of our Brazilian joint venture of $1 billion into a standalone corporate finance structure with a further shift of debt maturities. The successful placement of the new hybrid bond in the amount of EUR 500 million in July this year followed the EUR 545 million syndicated loan secured in May. Those measures marked further milestones in the professional and forward-looking management of our capital structure. With this, we have proven to have access to capital markets despite challenging times, and we have essentially secured our financing through 2027. We can now continue to fully focus on executing our successful performance program aimed at improving margins and free cash flow, as well as implementing the refined strategy. With this, I hand over back to you, Rohit. Thank you, Nico. Let me summarize now why Lenzing represents a compelling investment case today. First, we are recalibrating our asset base. That means moving away from a volume-driven model toward one that prioritizes economic value creation. We are reviewing underperforming assets, including the Indonesian site, and focusing investment where returns are highest. Second, we are refocusing the organization. With leaner structures, institutionalized cost discipline, and a stronger international footprint, particularly in North America and Asia, we are aligning resources with future growth opportunities. Third, we are resharpening our market focus. We are withdrawing from commoditized fibers and concentrating on premium-branded products and resilient non-woven applications. This makes our business less cyclical and more predictable. Finally, we are positioned to regain valuation. We combine the proven ability to execute, whether it's savings, refinancing, EBITDA growth, with unique differentiation through innovation and sustainability. This is how we will restore investor competition and create long-term value. We now come to the outlook. I can clearly say that thanks to our performance program, the operational performance in the first nine months of 2025 was solid despite the still challenging market environment in the third quarter. In terms of fiber demand, I expect that we have already passed the low point with a positive development in September compared to July and August. As Nico also mentioned, we have seen continued promising developments in October, and the order book situation looks currently quite stable. We assume relatively stable demand in bulk and have a cautious outlook on the generic fiber market development in the fourth quarter of 2025. We expect energy and raw material costs to remain on elevated levels. However, market visibility remains still on relatively low levels. While the market has not helped us so far, we continue to take the future in our own hands. We expect operational results to continue to be positively impacted by the performance program, and we keep the expectation for EBITDA for the 2025 financial year to be higher than in the previous year. By 2027, we target approximately EUR 550 million EBITDA, assuming stable market conditions. With this, I will hand over back to the operator for Q&A. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Questioners on the phone are requested to disable the loudspeaker mode and eventually turn off the volume from the webcast while asking a question. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to a maximum of three questions at a time. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from the line of Christian Faitz from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Yes, good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my two questions, please. First of all, your free cash flow continues to be on a nice, good trajectory. Congrats on that. Would you be able to provide us with free cash flow guidance for the few months remaining in the year? Then, second of all, can you tell us a bit about the capacity utilization? I note, obviously, your statements that things in terms of order income have improved, I guess, from September also into October. Where are your capacity utilizations at this point in time versus historical trends? Thanks. Thank you, Christian. First question with regard to potential outlook on the fourth quarter for the free cash flow. Nico, please. Yeah, thank you. Overall, as we have communicated now since, I think, meanwhile, seven or eight quarters, we are very much focused on generating free cash flow. We are continuing this journey. We overall will still work heavily to improve our free cash flow generation. We are also clearly positive to have a positive further continuization of that story. Nevertheless, do not forget, in the fourth quarter, there are always some one-timers, especially in regards to interest payments and so on. Overall, I think we will clearly continue the journey with a positive free cash flow for 2025. Thanks. The second question with regards to the capacity utilization, can you give us some indication there? Yeah. Thanks, Christian, for that question. I mean, what I can say is the year has been a bit of a roller coaster, given what we spoke about from a tariff leading to a lot of uncertainty in the value chain. We have seen movements through the year which were pretty strong starting quarter one. We did see the books getting a bit slowed down in quarter two, quarter three, and then we are seeing now a recovery. At this point in time, I can say that we are running fairly back to normal capacity utilization. Of course, based on plants and products, it could vary slightly. By and large, I would say we are recovering almost back to a full normalized state. Thanks very much. Very helpful. As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question comes from the line of Patrick Steiner from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead. Good afternoon, Patrick Steiner speaking. Two questions from my side. Firstly, on your annual expected cost savings of EUR 45 million due to the personnel reduction of the roughly 600 jobs in Austria, you said it will take full effect by the end of 2027. What can we expect for 2026 and 2027 in absolute terms? That is the first one. And the second one. In your Q3 report, you wrote that you expect that the passing of higher costs related to tariffs will lead to falling demand in the U.S. by next year at the latest. Could you please elaborate further on this and how this might hit you in terms of timing and so on? This would be nice. Thank you. Thank you, Patrick. The first question with regards to the rate or how does the EUR 45 million personnel cost reduction savings will be reflected in 2026 and 2027? This one for you, Nico, please. Yeah, Patrick. We do have our program here separated in two waves. There is wave number one. Wave number one would mean the first 300. As already mentioned and commented during the presentation, there will be a EUR 25 million ticket jumping in 2026 and then as a continued improvement also going forward. For the second phase of Kosmos, here we see further improvement starting already in 2027 and then fully being embedded in 2028. In 2028, we see the additional EUR 20 million. If you sum it up, EUR 25 million plus the EUR 20 million, that is the EUR 45 million ticket we have been talking. I think that gives a relatively clear picture. Thank you. The second question from Patrick is with regards to the expected falling demand that we expect in the U.S. in terms of overall apparel demand. Rohit, please. Yeah, sure. Thank you for that question. We have seen a bit of consumer behavior in America, which has been largely trying to circumvent or delay, and therefore, they have been pulling forward their purchases in terms of apparel. There have been a lot of pre-purchasing that has happened, and therefore, we saw impact on the value chain kind of playing out through quarter three. The prices are going to be looking to move up in the U.S. market. We expect that most of the retail would be affected. We are continuously monitoring that very, very closely. Now, if you look at and compare that to overall other supply chains outside textiles, we have seen that by and large, those demands have stayed pretty flat in terms of, and consumer behavior has not been impacted that significantly. Again, it's too early at this stage to make any prediction on how that will play out because it'll be to the scale of what level of price increases the retailers are able to put on the shelves. How much of efficiency gains will happen in the supply chain through managing the cost mitigation around the tariffs? On our side, we are looking to continue to move our product into non-wovens, and then we are able to find ways to offset our tariff and past price increases where the contracts allow. Thank you very much. It is very helpful. Thank you. Once again, to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Rohit Aggarwal for any closing remarks. Thank you very much for joining us today, and we appreciate the questions. We hope to be able to see you again on March 19 when we will disclose our full year results for 2025. We look forward to interacting at that time. Thank you very much for joining us again. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for choosing CorusCall, and thank you for participating in the conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Lenzing AG Analysts Conference Call and Live Webcast. I am Matilda, the CorusCall operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Rohit Aggarwal, CEO. Please go ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Lenzing AG Analysts Conference Call and Live Webcast. ladies and gentlemen welcome to the lenzing ag analysts conference call and live webcast I am Matilda, the CorusCall operator. i am matilda the coruscall operator I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. i would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. the presentation will be followed by a q&a session You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. you can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone For operator assistance, please press star and zero. for operator assistance please press star and zero The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. the conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Rohit Aggarwal, CEO. at this time it's my pleasure to hand over to rohit aggarwal ceo Please go ahead. please go ahead
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the presentation of Lenzing's results for the first nine months of 2025. With us today is also Nico Reiner, our CFO. Let's go through our agenda for today. I'll start with a summary of the key developments, followed by the market update, as well as our refined strategy. Nico will then guide you through the financials, and I will talk about our investment highlights as well as the outlook. As usual, at the end, we are looking forward to your questions in our Q&A session. Let's start with the overview of the key highlights of the first three quarters. The market continued to remain challenging, and it's even more important that we have refined our strategy with a clear focus on premiumization and excellence. Thank you very much. thank you very much Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the presentation of Lenzing's results for the first nine months of 2025. ladies and gentlemen welcome to the presentation of lenzing's results for the first nine months of 2025 With us today is also Nico Reiner, our CFO. with us today is also nico reiner our cfo Let's go through our agenda for today. let's go through our agenda for today I'll start with a summary of the key developments, followed by the market update, as well as our refined strategy. i'll start with a summary of the key developments followed by the market update as well as our refined strategy Nico will then guide you through the financials, and I will talk about our investment highlights as well as the outlook. nico will then guide you through the financials and i will talk about our investment highlights as well as the outlook As usual, at the end, we are looking forward to your questions in our Q&A session. as usual at the end we are looking forward to your questions in our q&a session Let's start with the overview of the key highlights of the first three quarters. let's start with the overview of the key highlights of the first three quarters The market continued to remain challenging, and it's even more important that we have refined our strategy with a clear focus on premiumization and excellence. the market continued to remain challenging and it's even more important that we have refined our strategy with a clear focus on premiumization and excellence Revenue and EBITDA continued to improve in the first nine months, supported by a strong first quarter. However, market headwinds impacted us continuously in quarter three. The market environment is marked by geopolitical uncertainty, and especially the aggressive customs policy. EBITDA was additionally negatively impacted by restructuring one-offs. Operational excellence continues to be key for us, and we are further raising the bar on our agility and flexibility. Liquidity is one of our key priorities, and we made great progress. After this year's refinancing, our liquidity cushion reached a very solid level of EUR 1 billion. What remains unchanged are our core strengths: innovation and sustainability, where we were just confirmed as worldwide leader. This leads us to a confirmed EBITDA outlook by year-end. However, it needs to be said that visibility remains quite limited. International tariff measures have very much characterized the last couple of months globally. Revenue and EBITDA continued to improve in the first nine months, supported by a strong first quarter. revenue and ebitda continued to improve in the first nine months supported by a strong first quarter However, market headwinds impacted us continuously in quarter three. however market headwinds impacted us continuously in quarter three The market environment is marked by geopolitical uncertainty, and especially the aggressive customs policy. the market environment is marked by geopolitical uncertainty and especially the aggressive customs policy EBITDA was additionally negatively impacted by restructuring one-offs. ebitda was additionally negatively impacted by restructuring one-offs Operational excellence continues to be key for us, and we are further raising the bar on our agility and flexibility. operational excellence continues to be key for us and we are further raising the bar on our agility and flexibility Liquidity is one of our key priorities, and we made great progress. liquidity is one of our key priorities and we made great progress After this year's refinancing, our liquidity cushion reached a very solid level of EUR 1 billion. after this year's refinancing our liquidity cushion reached a very solid level of eur 1 billion What remains unchanged are our core strengths: innovation and sustainability, where we were just confirmed as worldwide leader. what remains unchanged are our core strengths innovation and sustainability where we were just confirmed as worldwide leader This leads us to a confirmed EBITDA outlook by year-end. this leads us to a confirmed ebitda outlook by year-end However, it needs to be said that visibility remains quite limited. however it needs to be said that visibility remains quite limited International tariff measures have very much characterized the last couple of months globally. international tariff measures have very much characterized the last couple of months globally In Q1, markets were impacted only in a very limited way by tariff developments, and Lenzing achieved a strong result. However, the escalation from reciprocal tariffs followed in early April. This has led to both supply and demand shocks, impacting global value chains. Ongoing and repeatedly changing international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty led to tangible stress along the textile value chain and impacting consumer confidence negatively. The direct impact for Lenzing is limited. However, it leads to indirect effects on both demand and prices. On a more positive side, I can say that the non-woven markets were less affected by these tariff developments. To mitigate the tariff impact, Lenzing took actions in four ways. Number one, we maintain very close contact with our customers and regional value chains to handle the situation in the best possible way and to strengthen demand visibility. In Q1, markets were impacted only in a very limited way by tariff developments, and Lenzing achieved a strong result. in q1 markets were impacted only in a very limited way by tariff developments and lenzing achieved a strong result However, the escalation from reciprocal tariffs followed in early April. however the escalation from reciprocal tariffs followed in early april This has led to both supply and demand shocks, impacting global value chains. this has led to both supply and demand shocks impacting global value chains Ongoing and repeatedly changing international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty led to tangible stress along the textile value chain and impacting consumer confidence negatively. ongoing and repeatedly changing international tariff measures and the resulting uncertainty led to tangible stress along the textile value chain and impacting consumer confidence negatively The direct impact for Lenzing is limited. the direct impact for lenzing is limited However, it leads to indirect effects on both demand and prices. however it leads to indirect effects on both demand and prices On a more positive side, I can say that the non-woven markets were less affected by these tariff developments. on a more positive side i can say that the non-woven markets were less affected by these tariff developments To mitigate the tariff impact, Lenzing took actions in four ways. to mitigate the tariff impact lenzing took actions in four ways Number one, we maintain very close contact with our customers and regional value chains to handle the situation in the best possible way and to strengthen demand visibility. number one we maintain very close contact with our customers and regional value chains to handle the situation in the best possible way and to strengthen demand visibility Number two, we believe that we are better positioned than other fiber manufacturers, given our global footprint, which allows us to shift fiber volumes between our production sites in order to manage cost and trade impact. Number three, we further strengthened our operational efficiency, which includes the target to reduce around 600 jobs in Austria, mainly in administration. Number four, we decided to start a review of strategic options, including a potential sale for the Indonesian production site, which supports our strategic focus on branded, high-performance fibers with higher margins. Let's look now in more detail at how the markets have developed. The relevant markets for Lenzing are textiles, non-wovens on the fiber side, as well as dissolved wood pulp. When adjusted for inflation, demand for apparel worldwide was up 2% in the first nine months of 2025 versus a year ago. Number two, we believe that we are better positioned than other fiber manufacturers, given our global footprint, which allows us to shift fiber volumes between our production sites in order to manage cost and trade impact. number two we believe that we are better positioned than other fiber manufacturers given our global footprint which allows us to shift fiber volumes between our production sites in order to manage cost and trade impact Number three, we further strengthened our operational efficiency, which includes the target to reduce around 600 jobs in Austria, mainly in administration. number three we further strengthened our operational efficiency which includes the target to reduce around 600 jobs in austria mainly in administration Number four, we decided to start a review of strategic options, including a potential sale for the Indonesian production site, which supports our strategic focus on branded, high-performance fibers with higher margins. number four we decided to start a review of strategic options including a potential sale for the indonesian production site which supports our strategic focus on branded high-performance fibers with higher margins Let's look now in more detail at how the markets have developed. let's look now in more detail at how the markets have developed The relevant markets for Lenzing are textiles, non-wovens on the fiber side, as well as dissolved wood pulp. the relevant markets for lenzing are textiles non-wovens on the fiber side as well as dissolved wood pulp When adjusted for inflation, demand for apparel worldwide was up 2% in the first nine months of 2025 versus a year ago. when adjusted for inflation demand for apparel worldwide was up 2% in the first nine months of 2025 versus a year ago Consumer sentiment remains low, which is negatively impacting discretionary spending with an elevated saving rate and a vacancy attitude. Growth driver was the U.S., which was driven by consumers pulling forward purchases in quarter two and quarter three in response to tariffs, while Europe and China were mostly flat in a challenging macro and cost of living environment. Let's turn our attention to non-wovens. Here end markets show higher resiliency with a relatively stable consumer demand. Compared to previous years, the seasonality period with weaker demand lasted a bit longer into September. However, I can say that the development in October was promising, given also a more positive sentiment towards 2026. The trend towards less plastics is ongoing, and the carbon footprint and other sustainability credentials are increasingly becoming a differentiator for non-woven manufacturers and brands, driven by consumer awareness and retail commitment, especially the U.S. and regulatory pressure in Europe. Consumer sentiment remains low, which is negatively impacting discretionary spending with an elevated saving rate and a vacancy attitude. consumer sentiment remains low which is negatively impacting discretionary spending with an elevated saving rate and a vacancy attitude Growth driver was the U.S., which was driven by consumers pulling forward purchases in quarter two and quarter three in response to tariffs, while Europe and China were mostly flat in a challenging macro and cost of living environment. growth driver was the u.s which was driven by consumers pulling forward purchases in quarter two and quarter three in response to tariffs while europe and china were mostly flat in a challenging macro and cost of living environment Let's turn our attention to non-wovens. Here end markets show higher resiliency with a relatively stable consumer demand. let's turn our attention to non-wovens. here end markets show higher resiliency with a relatively stable consumer demand Compared to previous years, the seasonality period with weaker demand lasted a bit longer into September. compared to previous years the seasonality period with weaker demand lasted a bit longer into september However, I can say that the development in October was promising, given also a more positive sentiment towards 2026. however i can say that the development in october was promising given also a more positive sentiment towards 2026 The trend towards less plastics is ongoing, and the carbon footprint and other sustainability credentials are increasingly becoming a differentiator for non-woven manufacturers and brands, driven by consumer awareness and retail commitment, especially the U.S. and regulatory pressure in Europe. the trend towards less plastics is ongoing and the carbon footprint and other sustainability credentials are increasingly becoming a differentiator for non-woven manufacturers and brands driven by consumer awareness and retail commitment especially the u.s and regulatory pressure in europe DWP demand is mostly driven by the production of regenerated cellulosic fibers. The production cuts we have seen in the viscose industry in quarter two were negatively impacting DWP demand and prices accordingly. As operating rates in viscose plants increased in quarter three and paper pulp prices stabilized, DWP prices saw some support, at least in U.S. dollar terms. Let's have now a look at the fiber prices on the Chinese market. Please keep in mind that prices shown on this slide are generic market prices. Generic viscose prices in China increased gradually in the third quarter in U.S. dollar terms. In July and August, demand improved, and inventories fell as peak season was on the horizon. However, the pace of price increases remained cautious. DWP demand is mostly driven by the production of regenerated cellulosic fibers. dwp demand is mostly driven by the production of regenerated cellulosic fibers The production cuts we have seen in the viscose industry in quarter two were negatively impacting DWP demand and prices accordingly. the production cuts we have seen in the viscose industry in quarter two were negatively impacting dwp demand and prices accordingly As operating rates in viscose plants increased in quarter three and paper pulp prices stabilized, DWP prices saw some support, at least in U.S. dollar terms. as operating rates in viscose plants increased in quarter three and paper pulp prices stabilized dwp prices saw some support at least in u.s dollar terms Let's have now a look at the fiber prices on the Chinese market. let's have now a look at the fiber prices on the chinese market Please keep in mind that prices shown on this slide are generic market prices. please keep in mind that prices shown on this slide are generic market prices Generic viscose prices in China increased gradually in the third quarter in U.S. dollar terms. generic viscose prices in china increased gradually in the third quarter in u.s dollar terms In July and August, demand improved, and inventories fell as peak season was on the horizon. in july and august demand improved and inventories fell as peak season was on the horizon However, the pace of price increases remained cautious. however the pace of price increases remained cautious At the end of September, the price for medium-grade generic viscose fibers stood just 2% higher compared to the end of the second quarter at CNY 13,050 per ton. However, due to the weakened U.S. dollar, prices have decreased in euro terms, which is impacting Lenzing negatively. The situation on the cotton market did not change much in the third quarter, and international cotton prices fluctuated on a low level within the range. Dissolving pulp prices stopped falling in the third quarter, with support from improved demand from viscose plants and some temporary supply constraints. In the third quarter, imported hardwood DWP prices went up by 2% to $818 per ton. Here again, prices in euro terms have decreased due to the weakened U.S. dollar. At the end of September, the price for medium-grade generic viscose fibers stood just 2% higher compared to the end of the second quarter at CNY 13,050 per ton. at the end of september the price for medium-grade generic viscose fibers stood just 2% higher compared to the end of the second quarter at cny 13,050 per ton However, due to the weakened U.S. dollar, prices have decreased in euro terms, which is impacting Lenzing negatively. however due to the weakened u.s dollar prices have decreased in euro terms which is impacting lenzing negatively The situation on the cotton market did not change much in the third quarter, and international cotton prices fluctuated on a low level within the range. the situation on the cotton market did not change much in the third quarter and international cotton prices fluctuated on a low level within the range Dissolving pulp prices stopped falling in the third quarter, with support from improved demand from viscose plants and some temporary supply constraints. dissolving pulp prices stopped falling in the third quarter with support from improved demand from viscose plants and some temporary supply constraints In the third quarter, imported hardwood DWP prices went up by 2% to $818 per ton. in the third quarter imported hardwood dwp prices went up by 2% to $818 per ton Here again, prices in euro terms have decreased due to the weakened U.S. dollar. here again prices in euro terms have decreased due to the weakened u.s dollar Lenzing prices are mainly traded at a premium compared to generic prices, as the current share of specialties is at around 90%, and we are gradually withdrawing from the lower margin commodity segments. Let us now turn to the development of costs. Energy and chemical costs remain significantly higher than historical levels, especially energy prices in Europe, but at least they decreased somewhat in quarter three compared to the second quarter. Geopolitical conflicts such as Russia, Ukraine, and the Middle East continue to fuel the volatility of European gas prices. Lower demand due to warmer weather led to somewhat reduced gas prices in summer. [Cost ex] sort of prices remain high across regions, but reduced in general compared to Q2 due to weaker seasonal demand. Even with the slight improvement in the second quarter, both energy and chemical costs remain a major challenge for fiber production. Lenzing prices are mainly traded at a premium compared to generic prices, as the current share of specialties is at around 90%, and we are gradually withdrawing from the lower margin commodity segments. lenzing prices are mainly traded at a premium compared to generic prices as the current share of specialties is at around 90% and we are gradually withdrawing from the lower margin commodity segments Let us now turn to the development of costs. let us now turn to the development of costs Energy and chemical costs remain significantly higher than historical levels, especially energy prices in Europe, but at least they decreased somewhat in quarter three compared to the second quarter. energy and chemical costs remain significantly higher than historical levels especially energy prices in europe but at least they decreased somewhat in quarter three compared to the second quarter Geopolitical conflicts such as Russia, Ukraine, and the Middle East continue to fuel the volatility of European gas prices. geopolitical conflicts such as russia ukraine and the middle east continue to fuel the volatility of european gas prices Lower demand due to warmer weather led to somewhat reduced gas prices in summer. [Cost ex] sort of prices remain high across regions, but reduced in general compared to Q2 due to weaker seasonal demand. lower demand due to warmer weather led to somewhat reduced gas prices in summer [cost ex] sort of prices remain high across regions but reduced in general compared to q2 due to weaker seasonal demand Even with the slight improvement in the second quarter, both energy and chemical costs remain a major challenge for fiber production. even with the slight improvement in the second quarter both energy and chemical costs remain a major challenge for fiber production As the relevant markets for us still show no signs of a sustainable recovery, it is even more important that we continue to keep our full focus on cost excellence, which remains a key pillar of our performance program. In 2024, we already realized over EUR 130 million in cost savings, and we do expect cost savings to further increase to annual cost savings of more than EUR 180 million for this year. We are clearly well on track to meet this target as well. To make it clear, we're talking about recurring targets with an ongoing impact beyond this year as well. We can certainly be satisfied with our success so far, but there are still improvement areas ahead of us in order to maximize our full potential. As communicated about a month back, we are refining Lenzing's strategy. As the relevant markets for us still show no signs of a sustainable recovery, it is even more important that we continue to keep our full focus on cost excellence, which remains a key pillar of our performance program. as the relevant markets for us still show no signs of a sustainable recovery it is even more important that we continue to keep our full focus on cost excellence which remains a key pillar of our performance program In 2024, we already realized over EUR 130 million in cost savings, and we do expect cost savings to further increase to annual cost savings of more than EUR 180 million for this year. in 2024 we already realized over eur 130 million in cost savings and we do expect cost savings to further increase to annual cost savings of more than eur 180 million for this year We are clearly well on track to meet this target as well. we are clearly well on track to meet this target as well To make it clear, we're talking about recurring targets with an ongoing impact beyond this year as well. to make it clear we're talking about recurring targets with an ongoing impact beyond this year as well We can certainly be satisfied with our success so far, but there are still improvement areas ahead of us in order to maximize our full potential. we can certainly be satisfied with our success so far but there are still improvement areas ahead of us in order to maximize our full potential As communicated about a month back, we are refining Lenzing's strategy. as communicated about a month back we are refining lenzing's strategy Our refined strategy is built around four strategic priorities that together unlock value and prepare Lenzing for the future. Unlocking value happens in the first two pillars: premiumization and excellence. Premiumization means that we will concentrate more strongly on our branded and innovative fibers like TENCEL, VEOCEL, and ECOVERO, and gradually step back from less profitable commodity segments. By doing so, we improve margins and position Lenzing in areas where we can truly differentiate. The second is excellence. We are embedding a culture of efficiency and discipline across the group, not just through one-off savings, but by institutionalizing cost control, optimizing our footprint, and streamlining structures. This makes us leaner, more agile, and more resilient. We are implementing tough but necessary measures. By the end of 2025, around 300 positions will be reduced in Austria, mainly in overhead, supported by a social plan and with full assistance for those affected. Our refined strategy is built around four strategic priorities that together unlock value and prepare Lenzing for the future. our refined strategy is built around four strategic priorities that together unlock value and prepare lenzing for the future Unlocking value happens in the first two pillars: premiumization and excellence. unlocking value happens in the first two pillars premiumization and excellence Premiumization means that we will concentrate more strongly on our branded and innovative fibers like TENCEL, VEOCEL, and ECOVERO, and gradually step back from less profitable commodity segments. premiumization means that we will concentrate more strongly on our branded and innovative fibers like tencel veocel and ecovero and gradually step back from less profitable commodity segments By doing so, we improve margins and position Lenzing in areas where we can truly differentiate. by doing so we improve margins and position lenzing in areas where we can truly differentiate The second is excellence. the second is excellence We are embedding a culture of efficiency and discipline across the group, not just through one-off savings, but by institutionalizing cost control, optimizing our footprint, and streamlining structures. we are embedding a culture of efficiency and discipline across the group not just through one-off savings but by institutionalizing cost control optimizing our footprint and streamlining structures This makes us leaner, more agile, and more resilient. this makes us leaner more agile and more resilient We are implementing tough but necessary measures. we are implementing tough but necessary measures By the end of 2025, around 300 positions will be reduced in Austria, mainly in overhead, supported by a social plan and with full assistance for those affected. by the end of 2025 around 300 positions will be reduced in austria mainly in overhead supported by a social plan and with full assistance for those affected This is expected to result in annual savings of over EUR 25 million from 2026 onwards. By 2027, another 300 positions will be reduced through internationalization as we strengthen our footprint in Asia and North America. Both measures will lead to total annual savings of more than EUR 45 million, latest fully effective before the end of 2027. The third pillar is innovation. Here we will focus resources on fewer but higher impact projects, accelerating time to market and ensuring that our pipeline continues to provide the next generation of premium fibers, whether in textiles or non-wovens. Finally, sustainability. This has always been part of Lenzing's DNA, but going forward, it will be leveraged even more as a value driver. With growing regulation and customer demand for sustainable products, our leadership in this area is a true competitive advantage. This is expected to result in annual savings of over EUR 25 million from 2026 onwards. this is expected to result in annual savings of over eur 25 million from 2026 onwards By 2027, another 300 positions will be reduced through internationalization as we strengthen our footprint in Asia and North America. by 2027 another 300 positions will be reduced through internationalization as we strengthen our footprint in asia and north america Both measures will lead to total annual savings of more than EUR 45 million, latest fully effective before the end of 2027. both measures will lead to total annual savings of more than eur 45 million latest fully effective before the end of 2027 The third pillar is innovation. the third pillar is innovation Here we will focus resources on fewer but higher impact projects, accelerating time to market and ensuring that our pipeline continues to provide the next generation of premium fibers, whether in textiles or non-wovens. here we will focus resources on fewer but higher impact projects accelerating time to market and ensuring that our pipeline continues to provide the next generation of premium fibers whether in textiles or non-wovens Finally, sustainability. finally sustainability This has always been part of Lenzing's DNA, but going forward, it will be leveraged even more as a value driver. this has always been part of lenzing's dna but going forward it will be leveraged even more as a value driver With growing regulation and customer demand for sustainable products, our leadership in this area is a true competitive advantage. with growing regulation and customer demand for sustainable products our leadership in this area is a true competitive advantage Taken together, these four priorities—premiumization, excellence, innovation, and sustainability—ensure that we just do not react to changes in the market but actively shape them, creating long-term value for customers, employees, and shareholders. Innovation and sustainability remain the foundation of Lenzing's long-term strategy, that they are what sets us apart from our competition. Even as we streamline, we will not compromise in these areas. On the innovation side, our pipeline continues to create real opportunities. One example is our new TENCEL HV100 fibers. The fiber features variable cut lengths designed to mirror the irregularities of natural fibers and brings undefined rawness of nature into TENCEL Lyocell portfolio for woven products such as denim. On the sustainability side, our leadership is recognized worldwide. We have just been reaffirmed our EcoVadis Platinum status, and with this, Lenzing is now in the top 1% of companies in sustainability performance. Taken together, these four priorities—premiumization, excellence, innovation, and sustainability—ensure that we just do not react to changes in the market but actively shape them, creating long-term value for customers, employees, and shareholders. taken together these four priorities—premiumization excellence innovation and sustainability—ensure that we just do not react to changes in the market but actively shape them creating long-term value for customers employees and shareholders Innovation and sustainability remain the foundation of Lenzing's long-term strategy, that they are what sets us apart from our competition. innovation and sustainability remain the foundation of lenzing's long-term strategy that they are what sets us apart from our competition Even as we streamline, we will not compromise in these areas. even as we streamline we will not compromise in these areas On the innovation side, our pipeline continues to create real opportunities. on the innovation side our pipeline continues to create real opportunities One example is our new TENCEL HV100 fibers. one example is our new tencel hv100 fibers The fiber features variable cut lengths designed to mirror the irregularities of natural fibers and brings undefined rawness of nature into TENCEL Lyocell portfolio for woven products such as denim. the fiber features variable cut lengths designed to mirror the irregularities of natural fibers and brings undefined rawness of nature into tencel lyocell portfolio for woven products such as denim On the sustainability side, our leadership is recognized worldwide. on the sustainability side our leadership is recognized worldwide We have just been reaffirmed our EcoVadis Platinum status, and with this, Lenzing is now in the top 1% of companies in sustainability performance. we have just been reaffirmed our ecovadis platinum status and with this lenzing is now in the top 1% of companies in sustainability performance We've also just been confirmed as a global leader in the Canopy sustainability ranking, as we have taken once again first place in this year's hot-button report published by the Canadian nonprofit organization Canopy. These achievements are not just certificates; they are an asset that strengthens our brand, enhances customer partnerships, and increasingly drives premium pricing. With this, I hand over now to Nico for an update on financials. We've also just been confirmed as a global leader in the Canopy sustainability ranking, as we have taken once again first place in this year's hot-button report published by the Canadian nonprofit organization Canopy. we've also just been confirmed as a global leader in the canopy sustainability ranking as we have taken once again first place in this year's hot-button report published by the canadian nonprofit organization canopy These achievements are not just certificates; they are an asset that strengthens our brand, enhances customer partnerships, and increasingly drives premium pricing. these achievements are not just certificates they are an asset that strengthens our brand enhances customer partnerships and increasingly drives premium pricing With this, I hand over now to Nico for an update on financials. with this i hand over now to nico for an update on financials
Speaker 1: Thank you, Rohit, and a warm welcome from my side as well. The third quarter was negatively impacted by weakened fiber demand in continuously challenging markets, with revenues decreasing by 3% year on year. EBITDA decreased by EUR 27 million to EUR 72 million. This was partially driven by the decrease in revenue, just to mention. In addition, one-off restructuring costs for the headcount reduction program to mitigate market impact in the amount of EUR 13 million have also negatively impacted EBITDA. Thank you, Rohit, and a warm welcome from my side as well. thank you rohit and a warm welcome from my side as well The third quarter was negatively impacted by weakened fiber demand in continuously challenging markets, with revenues decreasing by 3% year on year. the third quarter was negatively impacted by weakened fiber demand in continuously challenging markets with revenues decreasing by 3% year on year EBITDA decreased by EUR 27 million to EUR 72 million. ebitda decreased by eur 27 million to eur 72 million This was partially driven by the decrease in revenue, just to mention. this was partially driven by the decrease in revenue just to mention In addition, one-off restructuring costs for the headcount reduction program to mitigate market impact in the amount of EUR 13 million have also negatively impacted EBITDA. in addition one-off restructuring costs for the headcount reduction program to mitigate market impact in the amount of eur 13 million have also negatively impacted ebitda Additionally to that is to mention that we had the annual maintenance shutdown of LDC in the third quarter. Looking at the first nine months in total, both our revenues and our margins increased thanks to the measures that we have actively taken. Revenue increased by EUR 14 million in the first nine months compared to the nine months of 2024 and reached EUR 1.97 billion. EBITDA increased by EUR 77 million to EUR 340 million. As the number of CO2 certificates held continued to increase, we decided to sell some of them in the amount of EUR 37 million in the first nine months of this year, which positively impacted the EBITDA. Depreciation was at EUR 320 million, including an impairment of EUR 82 million, which I will talk about on the next slide. This led to an EBIT of EUR 21 million, which compares to EUR 38 million in the first nine months of 2024. Additionally to that is to mention that we had the annual maintenance shutdown of LDC in the third quarter. additionally to that is to mention that we had the annual maintenance shutdown of ldc in the third quarter Looking at the first nine months in total, both our revenues and our margins increased thanks to the measures that we have actively taken. looking at the first nine months in total both our revenues and our margins increased thanks to the measures that we have actively taken Revenue increased by EUR 14 million in the first nine months compared to the nine months of 2024 and reached EUR 1.97 billion. revenue increased by eur 14 million in the first nine months compared to the nine months of 2024 and reached eur 1.97 billion EBITDA increased by EUR 77 million to EUR 340 million. ebitda increased by eur 77 million to eur 340 million As the number of CO2 certificates held continued to increase, we decided to sell some of them in the amount of EUR 37 million in the first nine months of this year, which positively impacted the EBITDA. as the number of co2 certificates held continued to increase we decided to sell some of them in the amount of eur 37 million in the first nine months of this year which positively impacted the ebitda Depreciation was at EUR 320 million, including an impairment of EUR 82 million, which I will talk about on the next slide. depreciation was at eur 320 million including an impairment of eur 82 million which i will talk about on the next slide This led to an EBIT of EUR 21 million, which compares to EUR 38 million in the first nine months of 2024. this led to an ebit of eur 21 million which compares to eur 38 million in the first nine months of 2024 Income taxes amounted to EUR 6 million compared to EUR 78 million in the first nine months of 2024, and the financial result was EUR 119 million compared to EUR 72 million in the first nine months of 2024. As a result, there was a loss of EUR 169 million for Lenzing shareholders, which compares to a loss of EUR 135 million in the first three quarters of 2024. Let's make it clear. Even though Q3 was negatively impacted by one-offs such as the restructuring costs, we are not satisfied with the result. However, on a positive note, we saw some stability in fiber demand in September compared to July and August, and October looks also more promising with a currently quite stable order book situation. Let's move to the next slide. As communicated, our refined strategy also addresses reviewing selected sites, including the Indonesian plant where a potential sale is under consideration. Income taxes amounted to EUR 6 million compared to EUR 78 million in the first nine months of 2024, and the financial result was EUR 119 million compared to EUR 72 million in the first nine months of 2024. income taxes amounted to eur 6 million compared to eur 78 million in the first nine months of 2024 and the financial result was eur 119 million compared to eur 72 million in the first nine months of 2024 As a result, there was a loss of EUR 169 million for Lenzing shareholders, which compares to a loss of EUR 135 million in the first three quarters of 2024. as a result there was a loss of eur 169 million for lenzing shareholders which compares to a loss of eur 135 million in the first three quarters of 2024 Let's make it clear. let's make it clear Even though Q3 was negatively impacted by one-offs such as the restructuring costs, we are not satisfied with the result. even though q3 was negatively impacted by one-offs such as the restructuring costs we are not satisfied with the result However, on a positive note, we saw some stability in fiber demand in September compared to July and August, and October looks also more promising with a currently quite stable order book situation. however on a positive note we saw some stability in fiber demand in september compared to july and august and october looks also more promising with a currently quite stable order book situation Let's move to the next slide. let's move to the next slide As communicated, our refined strategy also addresses reviewing selected sites, including the Indonesian plant where a potential sale is under consideration. as communicated our refined strategy also addresses reviewing selected sites including the indonesian plant where a potential sale is under consideration In this context, non-cash impairment losses on non-current assets, in particular property, plant, and equipment, of EUR 82.1 million were carried out. The impairment losses have a negative impact on EBIT but not an effect on EBITDA. EBIT, excluding the impact of the impairment, would have been slightly negative at EUR -6 million, which compares to EUR 88 million reported EBIT. Please note that this impairment amount is not audited for Q3 closing and therefore subject to change. Looking now at cash flow. Trading working capital further decreased and was down by 6% compared to the end of the second quarter due to lower inventory levels. With regards to CapEx, Lenzing continues to put a clear focus on maintenance and license to operate projects as part of its performance program, and CapEx remained on low levels of EUR 32 million in Q3. In this context, non-cash impairment losses on non-current assets, in particular property, plant, and equipment, of EUR 82.1 million were carried out. in this context non-cash impairment losses on non-current assets in particular property plant and equipment of eur 82.1 million were carried out The impairment losses have a negative impact on EBIT but not an effect on EBITDA. the impairment losses have a negative impact on ebit but not an effect on ebitda EBIT, excluding the impact of the impairment, would have been slightly negative at EUR -6 million, which compares to EUR 88 million reported EBIT. ebit excluding the impact of the impairment would have been slightly negative at eur -6 million which compares to eur 88 million reported ebit Please note that this impairment amount is not audited for Q3 closing and therefore subject to change. please note that this impairment amount is not audited for q3 closing and therefore subject to change Looking now at cash flow. looking now at cash flow Trading working capital further decreased and was down by 6% compared to the end of the second quarter due to lower inventory levels. trading working capital further decreased and was down by 6% compared to the end of the second quarter due to lower inventory levels With regards to CapEx, Lenzing continues to put a clear focus on maintenance and license to operate projects as part of its performance program, and CapEx remained on low levels of EUR 32 million in Q3. with regards to capex lenzing continues to put a clear focus on maintenance and license to operate projects as part of its performance program and capex remained on low levels of eur 32 million in q3 As you can see, we continue to have a very disciplined approach to capital allocation. As a result, unlevered free cash flow more than doubled to EUR 103 million in Q3, and we clearly continue to have a very clear focus on free cash flow generation. Let's move to the balance sheet. On the left side of the slide, we show the development of net financial debt. Even though the markets were challenging in the third quarter, net financial debt continued to move into the right direction. It came further down by EUR 35 million to about EUR 1.4 billion by the end of September. On the right side, you see the development of our liquidity cushion. It increased by EUR 23 million compared to the end of last quarter and reached a very solid level of EUR 993 million. Let us look at our debt maturities on the next slide. As you can see, we continue to have a very disciplined approach to capital allocation. as you can see we continue to have a very disciplined approach to capital allocation As a result, unlevered free cash flow more than doubled to EUR 103 million in Q3, and we clearly continue to have a very clear focus on free cash flow generation. as a result unlevered free cash flow more than doubled to eur 103 million in q3 and we clearly continue to have a very clear focus on free cash flow generation Let's move to the balance sheet. let's move to the balance sheet On the left side of the slide, we show the development of net financial debt. on the left side of the slide we show the development of net financial debt Even though the markets were challenging in the third quarter, net financial debt continued to move into the right direction. even though the markets were challenging in the third quarter net financial debt continued to move into the right direction It came further down by EUR 35 million to about EUR 1.4 billion by the end of September. it came further down by eur 35 million to about eur 1.4 billion by the end of september On the right side, you see the development of our liquidity cushion. on the right side you see the development of our liquidity cushion It increased by EUR 23 million compared to the end of last quarter and reached a very solid level of EUR 993 million. it increased by eur 23 million compared to the end of last quarter and reached a very solid level of eur 993 million Let us look at our debt maturities on the next slide. let us look at our debt maturities on the next slide Let's have a short recap on the refinancing measures we have taken recently. In October last year, we have converted the project financing of our Brazilian joint venture of $1 billion into a standalone corporate finance structure with a further shift of debt maturities. The successful placement of the new hybrid bond in the amount of EUR 500 million in July this year followed the EUR 545 million syndicated loan secured in May. Those measures marked further milestones in the professional and forward-looking management of our capital structure. With this, we have proven to have access to capital markets despite challenging times, and we have essentially secured our financing through 2027. We can now continue to fully focus on executing our successful performance program aimed at improving margins and free cash flow, as well as implementing the refined strategy. With this, I hand over back to you, Rohit. Let's have a short recap on the refinancing measures we have taken recently. let's have a short recap on the refinancing measures we have taken recently In October last year, we have converted the project financing of our Brazilian joint venture of $1 billion into a standalone corporate finance structure with a further shift of debt maturities. in october last year we have converted the project financing of our brazilian joint venture of $1 billion into a standalone corporate finance structure with a further shift of debt maturities The successful placement of the new hybrid bond in the amount of EUR 500 million in July this year followed the EUR 545 million syndicated loan secured in May. the successful placement of the new hybrid bond in the amount of eur 500 million in july this year followed the eur 545 million syndicated loan secured in may Those measures marked further milestones in the professional and forward-looking management of our capital structure. those measures marked further milestones in the professional and forward-looking management of our capital structure With this, we have proven to have access to capital markets despite challenging times, and we have essentially secured our financing through 2027. with this we have proven to have access to capital markets despite challenging times and we have essentially secured our financing through 2027 We can now continue to fully focus on executing our successful performance program aimed at improving margins and free cash flow, as well as implementing the refined strategy. we can now continue to fully focus on executing our successful performance program aimed at improving margins and free cash flow as well as implementing the refined strategy With this, I hand over back to you, Rohit. with this i hand over back to you rohit
Speaker 3: Thank you, Nico. Thank you, Nico. thank you nico Let me summarize now why Lenzing represents a compelling investment case today. First, we are recalibrating our asset base. That means moving away from a volume-driven model toward one that prioritizes economic value creation. We are reviewing underperforming assets, including the Indonesian site, and focusing investment where returns are highest. Second, we are refocusing the organization. With leaner structures, institutionalized cost discipline, and a stronger international footprint, particularly in North America and Asia, we are aligning resources with future growth opportunities. Third, we are resharpening our market focus. We are withdrawing from commoditized fibers and concentrating on premium-branded products and resilient non-woven applications. This makes our business less cyclical and more predictable. Finally, we are positioned to regain valuation. We combine the proven ability to execute, whether it's savings, refinancing, EBITDA growth, with unique differentiation through innovation and sustainability. Let me summarize now why Lenzing represents a compelling investment case today. let me summarize now why lenzing represents a compelling investment case today First, we are recalibrating our asset base. first we are recalibrating our asset base That means moving away from a volume-driven model toward one that prioritizes economic value creation. that means moving away from a volume-driven model toward one that prioritizes economic value creation We are reviewing underperforming assets, including the Indonesian site, and focusing investment where returns are highest. we are reviewing underperforming assets including the indonesian site and focusing investment where returns are highest Second, we are refocusing the organization. second we are refocusing the organization With leaner structures, institutionalized cost discipline, and a stronger international footprint, particularly in North America and Asia, we are aligning resources with future growth opportunities. with leaner structures institutionalized cost discipline and a stronger international footprint particularly in north america and asia we are aligning resources with future growth opportunities Third, we are resharpening our market focus. third we are resharpening our market focus We are withdrawing from commoditized fibers and concentrating on premium-branded products and resilient non-woven applications. we are withdrawing from commoditized fibers and concentrating on premium-branded products and resilient non-woven applications This makes our business less cyclical and more predictable. this makes our business less cyclical and more predictable Finally, we are positioned to regain valuation. finally we are positioned to regain valuation We combine the proven ability to execute, whether it's savings, refinancing, EBITDA growth, with unique differentiation through innovation and sustainability. we combine the proven ability to execute whether it's savings refinancing ebitda growth with unique differentiation through innovation and sustainability This is how we will restore investor competition and create long-term value. We now come to the outlook. I can clearly say that thanks to our performance program, the operational performance in the first nine months of 2025 was solid despite the still challenging market environment in the third quarter. In terms of fiber demand, I expect that we have already passed the low point with a positive development in September compared to July and August. As Nico also mentioned, we have seen continued promising developments in October, and the order book situation looks currently quite stable. We assume relatively stable demand in bulk and have a cautious outlook on the generic fiber market development in the fourth quarter of 2025. We expect energy and raw material costs to remain on elevated levels. However, market visibility remains still on relatively low levels. This is how we will restore investor competition and create long-term value. this is how we will restore investor competition and create long-term value We now come to the outlook. we now come to the outlook I can clearly say that thanks to our performance program, the operational performance in the first nine months of 2025 was solid despite the still challenging market environment in the third quarter. i can clearly say that thanks to our performance program the operational performance in the first nine months of 2025 was solid despite the still challenging market environment in the third quarter In terms of fiber demand, I expect that we have already passed the low point with a positive development in September compared to July and August. in terms of fiber demand i expect that we have already passed the low point with a positive development in september compared to july and august As Nico also mentioned, we have seen continued promising developments in October, and the order book situation looks currently quite stable. as nico also mentioned we have seen continued promising developments in october and the order book situation looks currently quite stable We assume relatively stable demand in bulk and have a cautious outlook on the generic fiber market development in the fourth quarter of 2025. we assume relatively stable demand in bulk and have a cautious outlook on the generic fiber market development in the fourth quarter of 2025 We expect energy and raw material costs to remain on elevated levels. we expect energy and raw material costs to remain on elevated levels However, market visibility remains still on relatively low levels. however market visibility remains still on relatively low levels While the market has not helped us so far, we continue to take the future in our own hands. We expect operational results to continue to be positively impacted by the performance program, and we keep the expectation for EBITDA for the 2025 financial year to be higher than in the previous year. By 2027, we target approximately EUR 550 million EBITDA, assuming stable market conditions. With this, I will hand over back to the operator for Q&A. While the market has not helped us so far, we continue to take the future in our own hands. while the market has not helped us so far we continue to take the future in our own hands We expect operational results to continue to be positively impacted by the performance program, and we keep the expectation for EBITDA for the 2025 financial year to be higher than in the previous year. we expect operational results to continue to be positively impacted by the performance program and we keep the expectation for ebitda for the 2025 financial year to be higher than in the previous year By 2027, we target approximately EUR 550 million EBITDA, assuming stable market conditions. by 2027 we target approximately eur 550 million ebitda assuming stable market conditions With this, I will hand over back to the operator for Q&A. with this i will hand over back to the operator for q&a
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Speaker 2: Yes, good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my two questions, please. First of all, your free cash flow continues to be on a nice, good trajectory. Congrats on that. Would you be able to provide us with free cash flow guidance for the few months remaining in the year? Then, second of all, can you tell us a bit about the capacity utilization? Yes, good afternoon, everybody. yes good afternoon everybody Thanks for taking my two questions, please. thanks for taking my two questions please First of all, your free cash flow continues to be on a nice, good trajectory. first of all your free cash flow continues to be on a nice good trajectory Congrats on that. congrats on that Would you be able to provide us with free cash flow guidance for the few months remaining in the year? would you be able to provide us with free cash flow guidance for the few months remaining in the year Then, second of all, can you tell us a bit about the capacity utilization? then second of all can you tell us a bit about the capacity utilization I note, obviously, your statements that things in terms of order income have improved, I guess, from September also into October. Where are your capacity utilizations at this point in time versus historical trends? Thanks. I note, obviously, your statements that things in terms of order income have improved, I guess, from September also into October. i note obviously your statements that things in terms of order income have improved i guess from september also into october Where are your capacity utilizations at this point in time versus historical trends? where are your capacity utilizations at this point in time versus historical trends Thanks. thanks Thank you, Christian. First question with regard to potential outlook on the fourth quarter for the free cash flow. Nico, please. Thank you, Christian. thank you christian First question with regard to potential outlook on the fourth quarter for the free cash flow. first question with regard to potential outlook on the fourth quarter for the free cash flow Nico, please. nico please
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Overall, as we have communicated now since, I think, meanwhile, seven or eight quarters, we are very much focused on generating free cash flow. We are continuing this journey. We overall will still work heavily to improve our free cash flow generation. We are also clearly positive to have a positive further continuization of that story. Nevertheless, do not forget, in the fourth quarter, there are always some one-timers, especially in regards to interest payments and so on. Yeah, thank you. yeah thank you Overall, as we have communicated now since, I think, meanwhile, seven or eight quarters, we are very much focused on generating free cash flow. overall as we have communicated now since i think meanwhile seven or eight quarters we are very much focused on generating free cash flow We are continuing this journey. we are continuing this journey We overall will still work heavily to improve our free cash flow generation. we overall will still work heavily to improve our free cash flow generation We are also clearly positive to have a positive further continuization of that story. we are also clearly positive to have a positive further continuization of that story Nevertheless, do not forget, in the fourth quarter, there are always some one-timers, especially in regards to interest payments and so on. nevertheless do not forget in the fourth quarter there are always some one-timers especially in regards to interest payments and so on Overall, I think we will clearly continue the journey with a positive free cash flow for 2025. Overall, I think we will clearly continue the journey with a positive free cash flow for 2025. overall i think we will clearly continue the journey with a positive free cash flow for 2025 Thanks. Thanks. thanks The second question with regards to the capacity utilization, can you give us some indication there? The second question with regards to the capacity utilization, can you give us some indication there? the second question with regards to the capacity utilization can you give us some indication there Yeah. Thanks, Christian, for that question. I mean, what I can say is the year has been a bit of a roller coaster, given what we spoke about from a tariff leading to a lot of uncertainty in the value chain. We have seen movements through the year which were pretty strong starting quarter one. We did see the books getting a bit slowed down in quarter two, quarter three, and then we are seeing now a recovery. At this point in time, I can say that we are running fairly back to normal capacity utilization. Of course, based on plants and products, it could vary slightly. Yeah. yeah Thanks, Christian, for that question. thanks christian for that question I mean, what I can say is the year has been a bit of a roller coaster, given what we spoke about from a tariff leading to a lot of uncertainty in the value chain. i mean what i can say is the year has been a bit of a roller coaster given what we spoke about from a tariff leading to a lot of uncertainty in the value chain We have seen movements through the year which were pretty strong starting quarter one. we have seen movements through the year which were pretty strong starting quarter one We did see the books getting a bit slowed down in quarter two, quarter three, and then we are seeing now a recovery. we did see the books getting a bit slowed down in quarter two quarter three and then we are seeing now a recovery At this point in time, I can say that we are running fairly back to normal capacity utilization. at this point in time i can say that we are running fairly back to normal capacity utilization Of course, based on plants and products, it could vary slightly. of course based on plants and products it could vary slightly By and large, I would say we are recovering almost back to a full normalized state. By and large, I would say we are recovering almost back to a full normalized state. by and large i would say we are recovering almost back to a full normalized state
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Very helpful. Thanks very much. thanks very much Very helpful. very helpful
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Speaker 6: Good afternoon, Patrick Steiner speaking. Two questions from my side. Firstly, on your annual expected cost savings of EUR 45 million due to the personnel reduction of the roughly 600 jobs in Austria, you said it will take full effect by the end of 2027. What can we expect for 2026 and 2027 in absolute terms? That is the first one. And the second one. Good afternoon, Patrick Steiner speaking. good afternoon patrick steiner speaking Two questions from my side. two questions from my side Firstly, on your annual expected cost savings of EUR 45 million due to the personnel reduction of the roughly 600 jobs in Austria, you said it will take full effect by the end of 2027. firstly on your annual expected cost savings of eur 45 million due to the personnel reduction of the roughly 600 jobs in austria you said it will take full effect by the end of 2027 What can we expect for 2026 and 2027 in absolute terms? That is the first one. what can we expect for 2026 and 2027 in absolute terms? that is the first one And the second one. and the second one In your Q3 report, you wrote that you expect that the passing of higher costs related to tariffs will lead to falling demand in the U.S. by next year at the latest. Could you please elaborate further on this and how this might hit you in terms of timing and so on? This would be nice. Thank you. In your Q3 report, you wrote that you expect that the passing of higher costs related to tariffs will lead to falling demand in the U.S. by next year at the latest. in your q3 report you wrote that you expect that the passing of higher costs related to tariffs will lead to falling demand in the u.s by next year at the latest Could you please elaborate further on this and how this might hit you in terms of timing and so on? could you please elaborate further on this and how this might hit you in terms of timing and so on This would be nice. this would be nice Thank you. thank you Thank you, Patrick. The first question with regards to the rate or how does the EUR 45 million personnel cost reduction savings will be reflected in 2026 and 2027? This one for you, Nico, please. Thank you, Patrick. thank you patrick The first question with regards to the rate or how does the EUR 45 million personnel cost reduction savings will be reflected in 2026 and 2027? the first question with regards to the rate or how does the eur 45 million personnel cost reduction savings will be reflected in 2026 and 2027 This one for you, Nico, please. this one for you nico please
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick. We do have our program here separated in two waves. There is wave number one. Wave number one would mean the first 300. As already mentioned and commented during the presentation, there will be a EUR 25 million ticket jumping in 2026 and then as a continued improvement also going forward. Yeah, Patrick. yeah patrick We do have our program here separated in two waves. we do have our program here separated in two waves There is wave number one. there is wave number one Wave number one would mean the first 300. wave number one would mean the first 300 As already mentioned and commented during the presentation, there will be a EUR 25 million ticket jumping in 2026 and then as a continued improvement also going forward. as already mentioned and commented during the presentation there will be a eur 25 million ticket jumping in 2026 and then as a continued improvement also going forward For the second phase of Kosmos, here we see further improvement starting already in 2027 and then fully being embedded in 2028. In 2028, we see the additional EUR 20 million. If you sum it up, EUR 25 million plus the EUR 20 million, that is the EUR 45 million ticket we have been talking. I think that gives a relatively clear picture. For the second phase of Kosmos, here we see further improvement starting already in 2027 and then fully being embedded in 2028. for the second phase of kosmos here we see further improvement starting already in 2027 and then fully being embedded in 2028 In 2028, we see the additional EUR 20 million. If you sum it up, EUR 25 million plus the EUR 20 million, that is the EUR 45 million ticket we have been talking. in 2028 we see the additional eur 20 million. if you sum it up eur 25 million plus the eur 20 million that is the eur 45 million ticket we have been talking I think that gives a relatively clear picture. i think that gives a relatively clear picture Thank you. The second question from Patrick is with regards to the expected falling demand that we expect in the U.S. in terms of overall apparel demand. Rohit, please. Thank you. thank you The second question from Patrick is with regards to the expected falling demand that we expect in the U.S. in terms of overall apparel demand. the second question from patrick is with regards to the expected falling demand that we expect in the u.s in terms of overall apparel demand Rohit, please. rohit please
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. Thank you for that question. We have seen a bit of consumer behavior in America, which has been largely trying to circumvent or delay, and therefore, they have been pulling forward their purchases in terms of apparel. Yeah, sure. yeah sure Thank you for that question. We have seen a bit of consumer behavior in America, which has been largely trying to circumvent or delay, and therefore, they have been pulling forward their purchases in terms of apparel. thank you for that question. we have seen a bit of consumer behavior in america which has been largely trying to circumvent or delay and therefore they have been pulling forward their purchases in terms of apparel There have been a lot of pre-purchasing that has happened, and therefore, we saw impact on the value chain kind of playing out through quarter three. The prices are going to be looking to move up in the U.S. market. We expect that most of the retail would be affected. We are continuously monitoring that very, very closely. Now, if you look at and compare that to overall other supply chains outside textiles, we have seen that by and large, those demands have stayed pretty flat in terms of, and consumer behavior has not been impacted that significantly. Again, it's too early at this stage to make any prediction on how that will play out because it'll be to the scale of what level of price increases the retailers are able to put on the shelves. There have been a lot of pre-purchasing that has happened, and therefore, we saw impact on the value chain kind of playing out through quarter three. there have been a lot of pre-purchasing that has happened and therefore we saw impact on the value chain kind of playing out through quarter three The prices are going to be looking to move up in the U.S. market. the prices are going to be looking to move up in the u.s market We expect that most of the retail would be affected. we expect that most of the retail would be affected We are continuously monitoring that very, very closely. we are continuously monitoring that very very closely Now, if you look at and compare that to overall other supply chains outside textiles, we have seen that by and large, those demands have stayed pretty flat in terms of, and consumer behavior has not been impacted that significantly. now if you look at and compare that to overall other supply chains outside textiles we have seen that by and large those demands have stayed pretty flat in terms of and consumer behavior has not been impacted that significantly Again, it's too early at this stage to make any prediction on how that will play out because it'll be to the scale of what level of price increases the retailers are able to put on the shelves. again it's too early at this stage to make any prediction on how that will play out because it'll be to the scale of what level of price increases the retailers are able to put on the shelves How much of efficiency gains will happen in the supply chain through managing the cost mitigation around the tariffs? On our side, we are looking to continue to move our product into non-wovens, and then we are able to find ways to offset our tariff and past price increases where the contracts allow. How much of efficiency gains will happen in the supply chain through managing the cost mitigation around the tariffs? how much of efficiency gains will happen in the supply chain through managing the cost mitigation around the tariffs On our side, we are looking to continue to move our product into non-wovens, and then we are able to find ways to offset our tariff and past price increases where the contracts allow. on our side we are looking to continue to move our product into non-wovens and then we are able to find ways to offset our tariff and past price increases where the contracts allow
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. It is very helpful. Thank you. Thank you very much. thank you very much It is very helpful. it is very helpful Thank you. thank you
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us today, and we appreciate the questions. We hope to be able to see you again on March 19 when we will disclose our full year results for 2025. We look forward to interacting at that time. Thank you very much for joining us today, and we appreciate the questions. thank you very much for joining us today and we appreciate the questions We hope to be able to see you again on March 19 when we will disclose our full year results for 2025. we hope to be able to see you again on march 19 when we will disclose our full year results for 2025 We look forward to interacting at that time. we look forward to interacting at that time Thank you very much for joining us again. Thank you very much for joining us again. thank you very much for joining us again
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