CADENCE DESIGN SYSTEMS INC — Call Transcript 2026

Afternoon. Welcome back to this BofA Global Technology Conference. Really delighted and honored to have Anirudh Devgan, the Chief Executive Officer of Cadence Design Systems, join us. We'll go through the usual fireside. Please feel free to raise your hand if you would like to bring something up. Before I start, let me read a quick disclosure statement from Cadence, that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements, including Cadence's outlook on future business and operating results. Due to risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in today's discussion. Anirudh, welcome. Really happy to see you at our conference. Yes. Maybe as a start, what I would love to get from you, I think you have been in the CEO's role for roughly about four and a half, five years or so. What's sort of the master plan as you look over the next five years? You've gone through this transformation of the company from kind of just EDA, right, to kind of diversifying it into system design, multi-physics, more IP. What's the kind of the grand strategy? What should investors expect over the next five years? Yeah, thank you, Vivek, and it's great to be here. By the way, I'm a big fan of Vivek's, and in the CadenceLIVE in April, I gave this talk, and your numbers just came out, your semi-market numbers, so I quoted Vivek and put it, and then all the analysts said I should also quote them. Thank you. Very good numbers and analysis. It's great to be here, Vivek. In terms of Cadence, yeah, last five years have been phenomenal growth, I think, and because we have about 15% CAGR in a tough market. Parts of the semi market was good, but part of the semi market was not that good. Also, our margin has improved. We crossed rule of 60 this year. Going forward, I think the environment is improving. I think our customer environment is improving. Our competitive position the best it has been. Going forward, I think, and of course, I started all this SDA in 2017, 2018. SDA is still good, but the value of EDA and IP is much higher because of resurgence of semiconductors, resurgence of AI. Not just in semi companies, but in hyperscaler companies. I think it'll be more of the same, but I feel that we are well-positioned in all the three areas, EDA, IP, and SDA. EDA and IP have potential to grow meaningfully the next five years. SDA still will be good, don't get me wrong, but I think the value of EDA in 2026 is much higher than 2018. Got it. The one question that has emerged this year for not just Cadence, but for anyone connected to the software industry, has been the potential of disruption from AI. Give us kind of your measured view, Anirudh, of are there certain parts of your design flow where AI can be disruptive? How do you think about just the emergence? Of course, it's giving you opportunities for more engagement with customers, but are there parts of the design flow that we should kind of watch out for any kind of disruption? Well, AI is a net positive to us, and there are multiple reasons for that. I've said this a long time, so sorry if some of this is repeat. First of all, in terms of software, we are both involved in the building of AI and the consumption of AI. Right. This is designed for AI and AI for design. That is not true for any other software. Okay. We love all our software colleagues, no other software is directly involved in building Nvidia chips or Google TPUs. I think that's one benefit. When we apply AI to us, it can be transformative in terms of productivity, then people worry that, okay, if you are going to be 5x more productive, does that mean less usage of your base tools? What you have to remember is even in that part. See, that's why I'm so optimistic about not just about SDA, but EDA and IP. When we apply AI to our products, our workload is exponentials. See, I talked to one big customer, and this is true for all of them. They're saying that every next chip, they need 2x more engineers. That's an unrealizable headcount curve. AI is needed. AI will blunt the headcount curve, right? If the workload is constant, if it blunts the headcount curve, there's a worry that it reduces usage. In our case, because the workload demand is exponential, the blunting of headcount curves makes it possible. Right. The market expects 5x, 10x improvement, just like we have delivered 100x over the last 20 years. I just came back from Imec Technology Forum, I was telling some people. This is supposed to continue. Kevin gave a good talk from TSMC. He's showing TSMC roadmap, the number of transistors on these systems, chip plus package, will go up 48x or 50x in the next five years. To design all these things, you need that productivity, okay? That you can see that even when, for example, recently Jensen talked about Cadence at Computex. Right. By the way, this all work internally at Nvidia, and they highlighted it. When the customer is writing RTL, and this is the kind of thing that we never had tools before, it's a new time for us. They were using Xcelium and Jasper to write it because they need to verify that the RTL is correct. Now when ChipStack is writing it actually uses more Jasper and more Xcelium. Actually, the number of base tool usage is going up versus a non-agentic world. That's first thing that happens. Second thing is this new TAM expansion of this kind of capability that the users were doing manually, and we have now this agent product that we can provide to our customers. In net, because of all these things, because we, first of all, participate in the build-out of AI, that's one. Second, when we apply AI, it's an exponentially growing workflow. Third, the way we apply it, and this is what I've said forever, is that it uses the base tools more. I've talked forever about this three-layer cake. The agentic AI, then the ground truth tools, and then the base layer, which is compute and data. Right. If there is certain application in which the base layer or the middle layer is very trivial or not as complicated, then maybe the LLMs can do everything themselves. In this kind of complicated, physically accurate workloads, you have to use the ground truth tools. You cannot do it without that. Actually, Jensen has a very good analogy. He was saying that, let's say agent is like a robot, right? Let's say a robot comes in your home. If what you were doing was relatively simple, that's picking the bottle from one place to another place, then maybe the robot can do that. If you're going to prepare food or use a microwave, is the robot going to warm the food with its hands or it's going to use the microwave that's already there? Right. In our case, we are not even like a microwave, we are like a nuclear reactor. When a bunch of robots come, they're not going to build nuclear reactor, they're going to use nuclear reactors in a more effective way. I think the complexity of the task is also there. For these three reasons, one, complexity of the task, two, the exponential nature of the workload, and three, that we also participate in the build-out, I think AI is a very big net positive for us. Got it. Just to close that, there is no genius sitting at any hyperscaler who is writing software that can completely remove their use of any part of the EDA process. There are a lot of geniuses sitting at hyperscalers. All our customers are very smart, but they will develop all these things working with us. Right. I think that's what we see. Again, they want to use our tools and build on top of that and use our agents. Yeah. Makes sense. Now, one other thing I also find fascinating is, at the leading edge. TSMC, their ability to drive the advancements in silicon, and you are very strongly engaged with the TSMC ecosystem. Right. A lot more than some of the other ecosystems. As they raise their pricing, is it fair to think that that actually puts a lot more pressure on the upfront design process? That's a good thing, but does it also perhaps limit the number of design starts because these things are getting so much more expensive? How are you seeing those two trends evolve, like that one is complexity is growing, and second, is it then becoming a headwind to the number of design starts, which often tends to drive your business? No, number of design starts. Still. Very good. Is increasing. Yeah. Of course, I've said this for a while, not just for data center, but for physical AI. Right now the design activity is very strong, and I think that it has chance to further improve. Because two years ago, there were some design activity inside the big system companies. Of course, some of the really big phone companies have done this for 10 years. What is also new, you know all this, in last one year, the success of Google is a big shiny example of verticalization. Same thing in China. I just came back from China. Success of Xiaomi. Xiaomi is very impressive. Okay. They have their own cars, they have their own model, they have their own chips. Once this kind of verticalization has happened in physical AI with Xiaomi or they also have LLM models or with this big data center with Google, I think the more is happening to compete with that. Okay. The amount of design activity has picked up independent of this pricing dynamic of the foundry because the value is very high. I see that increasing and then the traditional semi analog memory have also improved. Overall the environment is much better than a year ago. Got it. I'm glad you mentioned the environment. There were a few years in between, Anirudh, where we saw the EDA IP industry have a more modest growth pace. Closer to low double digit rather than the mid-teens. That of course followed some years where it was high teens, but I think that was a time when China was also growing much faster. If you look over the next three, four years, are we now at this mid-teens kind of growth rate? What were the headwinds that made the growth rate slow down and now what are the tailwinds that you think can sustain the kind of growth rates that you are at right now? Yeah, the environment is I think there are three main things for us, and of course we guide one year at a time and this year I think is very strong and we'll see how the next years go. First, the design activity is much stronger. For all the reasons I mentioned, hyperscalers are back in, and other system companies like Tesla. Right. BYD. The parts of semi that were weaker, relatively weaker, have improved. That's number one, the market is much better. We can drill down more into that, but overall, I think that's good. The second part is competitively, we are in the best position we have ever been. Right. Agentic, we are ahead. Base EDA, we are ahead. IP, we are taking share. Hardware, we have a unique platform with Palladium. Comparatively, we are in the best position. Okay. Thirdly, we have this new opportunity with TAM expansion with agent. If you ask me, last few years there's always some issue or other, like in the past, we were not as strong in IP or some of the semi was weak, or we would not have full exposure to Intel and Samsung. I feel good that right now a lot of things are aligned well, and that there's a change. We have big opportunity at some of the companies we never worked before. This part of the semi has improved. Right. We have new TAM expansion. We'll see how it goes, but the environment is probably the best it has been. Yeah. Got it. To your point, we had onsemi, right? Earlier, we had Microchip and Analog Devices yesterday. Yeah. It's so interesting to see that in the past, 90% of the questions were about industrial and automotive. Now half the questions are about the data center. That is also, I assume, helping these companies come out of- Yeah. Absolutely. The downturn. Are you starting to see that? Because you have a very strong exposure to the analog market as well. Yeah. Are you starting to see R&D activity pick up there as well? Absolutely. Also physical AI also benefits that part of the market. Look at ADI or NXP, just to give some examples. I think the design activity is strong, and also not only that, everybody wants to do more things more effectively with these agentic flows. Not only is the customer base doing well, but the interest in more automation is there. Got it. The amount of engagements we have with ChipStack or ViraStack or InnoStack is throughout our big customers. Whether they're traditional semi or they're data center or analog mixed signal or system companies, they all want to do things more efficiently. Got it. Is that part of the agentic workflow, right? You mentioned some of these tools. Maybe talk to us about are they a means of efficiency for you or are they a means of efficiency for your customers? Or can they also become a source of more pricing power or stickiness, like some of these agentic tools that you described? How do they fit into the equation? Right. First of all, we are a technology company first. We want to make sure we deliver value to our customers. Like what Nvidia was showing, or we have so many other engagements with ChipStack, like Qualcomm and MediaTek. If we can make things more efficient for what was a manual process. Right. That's a good TAM expansion opportunity for us. That's the main thing we focus on is providing value to our customers, and then the way the ChipStack works, it also calls more of the base tools. Right. In terms of productivity benefit, it applies to customers and us internally as well. We have about 15,000 people roughly, okay. About 4,000 are customer-facing, or what these days would be called forward-deployed engineers. What we call AEs, application engineers. 10,000 people are in R&D. Out of 10,000, 3,000 are in IP. This is broad numbers. I think with IP group, we are also applying our own agentic solutions to them. Right. That's the best way to prove it. I am expecting at least a 2X productivity from the IP group. Those 3,000 people should operate like 6,000, because anyway, we have so much demand for our IP solutions, and we will hire more, but they should be at least two. The way I look at it is at least 30% reduction in headcount per project, and at least 30% reduction in schedule for a given project. That's like a 0.7x0.7. That's 0.4, and that's 2x. Right. That's like a Moore's law kind of productivity. Sometimes we can go even better than that. Some customers told me they want 0.5x0.5. That's like 4x. I think with this agentic flow, there's opportunity of 2 to 3x improvement, and that's huge. Now we will make sure that we deliver that to our customers and get this opportunity of the new TAM, and then we apply it internally- Right. This is just the IP group. AEs can be more efficient. The 7,000 people who are writing code, they can be more efficient with other regular AI tools like Claude and Codex. It's both providing value to our customers, which is the main thing, and then adding efficiency internally. Internally, you see some of it already. Our incremental margin was 60%. That's pretty good. Right. Our operating margin is about 44%-45%, but incremental is at 60%. We will always try to drive that up and also provide this 2x-3x to our customers. Again, this 2x-3x or more is needed if the number of transistors are going to go up 48x, you need much more than 2x-3x, but we'll start with 2x-3x to our customers. Yeah. Got it. One thing, Anirudh, that has come up more frequently is the EDA industry utilizing its pricing power? Interestingly, I find that the same pushback comes with the semi cap equipment industry, right? Both are ways of complexity. The usual pushback, which is your customer, their customers are making so much more money. Are we seeing it already and we just don't notice it as much, or have we not yet seen it? Talk to us about, has this increase in complexity, the use of all these AI tools, has it actually helped you improve your pricing power versus what it has been historically? Well, we try to always get the right value from our customers and, first, like I said, our culture is first to deliver value, and these are the biggest customers in the world, right? It's not that they're short of money. All these big 60, 70 companies that drive 60, 70%. Right Our revenue. My philosophy always is if we can provide value, they are always fair to us. Okay. A lot of the growth in the past has been driven by volume more than price because they're doing more and more. The way to get the right value for us is to deliver more value. I do think this agentic flow in which they are able to substitute more of human tasks with agents is a unique opportunity because we will deliver a tremendous value, like 2x, 3x, 4x, and this is the right way to capture more value for us. It drives more consumption of base tools and your value is more levered to the consumption of your tools, right? Not only that, it's a new TAM, first of all. It's a new TAM. Right. If we are having tools to write RTL, like I was giving the previous example, there were no tools like that. It's a new TAM to drive. I see. They always have exponential workload. I think if something can give them 2-4x productivity or 40x in case of Nvidia, yes, they will use that. It's a new TAM, that TAM also drives more of the base tools. It's a multiplicative effect. Our philosophy always is, we are very thankful to all these big 70 customers and relationship we have for years. If we provide value to them, they will provide value back to us. My focus is having the best super agents, for ChipStack, ViraStack, InnoStack. This is a new way of monetizing because if they get so much benefit, they are more than willing to share that with us. Got it. Makes sense. You mentioned growth in IP. Yeah. Why did it lag historically and what is helping it now pick up and it's now become one of the faster-growing parts of your business? Yeah. IP, first of all, I also intentionally in the beginning, didn't invest as much in IP, just to be honest, because we wanted to make sure that we are good in EDA first. Yeah. We have been a transition of one business to another. I also personally invested more in EDA because that's the core of our business. If you're strong in EDA, then everything follows from that. Right. First four years when I was doing, I was more focused on EDA. I think few things have changed in IP. One is because of this AI and disaggregation, some star IP is a lot more valuable. We are focused on these five star IPs, which just to, without getting too tech, DDR, the memory subsystem, PCIe, UCIe, which is chip-to-chip, HBM. Right. Then SerDes. Okay. We are always focused on advanced node star IP. Because again, part of the IP business was Tensilica, which is more profitable. We always thought if we focus on few star IPs and do a good job, you can get a better margin and better behavior. Because our customers, see, even they are these really big customers, we always focus on win with the winners, the really big guys, because once you win with the winners, The other stuff just happens naturally. Okay. The big with the winners, they always buy best in class. They're not interested in. They're not buying something for. They want to buy best in class. It's better to focus on few things and do them well rather than have a big portfolio. That's the second difference, which I think has played out well now. It took few years for that. Third thing, which is probably the most important, is I, over the years, changed all the R&D teams in Cadence, and we always have very technical leadership and very good R&D teams. Finally, in IP, I finally believe that the team is world-class. It wasn't world-class before. I think over the last few years they are world-class. If you look at all the GMs in Cadence, they are all technical there, because that's what our customers want. As a result, these are standard base IPs, even these five things I mentioned. DDR is a standard, right? Whether somebody chooses or not depends on how good the PPA is, Power, Performance, and Area. Nice. We are using TSMC or whatever. It's the same process, same requirements, but how good your R&D team is, that depends. Our PPA now is pretty good. The R&D team is good. If the product is good, it sells, right? I think there are a few other things that happened, disaggregation helped us, then now Intel and Samsung and other, Rapidus. The main thing is, I think we have the right IP strategy, which is more focused at these five key IPs and advanced nodes, and we have a great R&D team now. Got it. For better or worse, investors will always look at the two leading companies in the EDA space. Both are high-quality businesses. What do you think gives Cadence the edge in terms of potentially gaining share over the next few years? Is it that you have a specific mix of businesses or within those businesses you have an opportunity to take share in certain things? First of all, we are very strong in core EDA. Okay. There's no doubt about that then. We didn't have as much opportunity, and you can see that in the TSMC ecosystem. In terms of PPA and also in terms of scope. We have analog. We are the only company that has all the tools. We have analog, we have digital, we have verification, we have packaging. Okay. Core EDA, we are very strong. In IP, we are getting much stronger with this kind of strategy I mentioned. We have SDA, but what I would consider the right amount of SDA. You don't want to over-SDA yourself. The right amount of SDA, which is focused on 3D IC and physical AI. I feel very good about the mix, and I think we have a very good R&D-driven culture. Okay. I'm R&D by nature. I said all the leaders are R&D because, see, when you interact with these top 60, 70 companies, they're all very technical too. They want a R&D to R&D interaction. Right. They're trusting their huge roadmaps to a company, they want that confidence that the other side. Because we are deeply embedded with their roadmaps. Right. Okay. We have a whole culture of we will enable R&D to R&D interaction and that's thing we have gained over the years, and I think that is unique to Cadence. I think we are well-positioned as the market improves. It's a good industry. What I tell to investors is, "Yeah, you can invest in both, but just invest more in Cadence." Yeah. You say that with very. Yeah. Exactly. Bias. Yes, of course. It's also true, right? If you go back and look at the last five years. Yeah. Okay. One other I think interesting thing about Cadence and the EDA space is you were sort of the early leading indicator of this growth that we are now seeing in cloud AI. What do you think, Anirudh, about the whole excitement and interest in kind of physical AI, edge AI? They still seem a little bit further out, but if anyone has early visibility around that. Do you think investors should be paying more attention? Are those going to be real markets, real players? How much of a design activity are you seeing in physical AI, robotics, edge AI? Yeah. I'm a big fan of physical AI, and I've been for a few years. I say the same thing year after year for a few years, people used to tell me, "What are you saying? What physical AI?" Now I think it becomes more, because we do have some early view of what is happening, it's still, like I always said, three to seven years. Okay. Now, it is already. If it is three years, they already start designing for that. Right. If you look at all the car companies and, of course, big famous thing is what Elon is saying, right? They're investing a lot in their AI chips and also then, with robots and all. If you see what is happening, like Rivian is doing things, and then in China, there is a lot of activity already. BYD and NIO and XPeng, they're all Cadence customers. Okay. Xiaomi now, not just making cars, but making robots, and they're very impressive. I think you're already seeing signs of that in Tesla and in China and then some of the traditional companies, too. You're starting to see the signs of that with ADI, NXP, and all the traditional semi companies, and then even Nvidia, Qualcomm. Right. MediaTek. Yep. I think it will be a big market. Now, what I want to make sure is that as a company, we are well-positioned for physical AI. I believe we are well-positioned for data center AI, and also we are well-positioned physical AI. There is simulation part, but also the base silicon content will go up a lot. Right. If robotics is going to be the biggest market ever, then the amount of chips that go into robots will be high. If the chips is high, you need to design them and Now, exact timing is very difficult to say. There's data center, there's physical AI. It's like when it happens. For us, we want to be best prepared for that. Now, it may happen sooner, it may happen later. This may correct, may not correct. I think one thing I want to tell investors is because I believe we are well-positioned with data center and physical AI, and we are not directly tied to, there is pros and cons of that, directly tied to the actual silicon volume. Right. If things are good, it should be good. Even if things turn south a little bit, it should still be good for Cadence. It's good counter. The physical AI part is to make sure we don't miss the next big thing while focusing on the current big thing, which is agentic and data center. Makes sense. With that, Anirudh, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome back to this BofA Global Technology Conference. Really delighted and honored to have Anirudh Devgan, the Chief Executive Officer of Cadence Design Systems, join us. We'll go through the usual fireside. Please feel free to raise your hand if you would like to bring something up. Afternoon. afternoon Welcome back to this BofA Global Technology Conference. welcome back to this bofa global technology conference Really delighted and honored to have Anirudh Devgan, the Chief Executive Officer of Cadence Design Systems, join us. really delighted and honored to have anirudh devgan the chief executive officer of cadence design systems join us We'll go through the usual fireside. we'll go through the usual fireside Please feel free to raise your hand if you would like to bring something up. please feel free to raise your hand if you would like to bring something up Before I start, let me read a quick disclosure statement from Cadence, that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements, including Cadence's outlook on future business and operating results. Due to risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in today's discussion. Anirudh, welcome. Really happy to see you at our conference. Before I start, let me read a quick disclosure statement from Cadence, that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements, including Cadence's outlook on future business and operating results. before i start let me read a quick disclosure statement from cadence that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements including cadence's outlook on future business and operating results Due to risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in today's discussion. due to risks and uncertainties actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in today's discussion Anirudh, welcome. anirudh welcome Really happy to see you at our conference. really happy to see you at our conference

Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. yes

Speaker 2: Maybe as a start, what I would love to get from you, I think you have been in the CEO's role for roughly about four and a half, five years or so. What's sort of the master plan as you look over the next five years? You've gone through this transformation of the company from kind of just EDA, right, to kind of diversifying it into system design, multi-physics, more IP. What's the kind of the grand strategy? What should investors expect over the next five years? Maybe as a start, what I would love to get from you, I think you have been in the CEO's role for roughly about four and a half, five years or so. maybe as a start what i would love to get from you i think you have been in the ceo's role for roughly about four and a half five years or so What's sort of the master plan as you look over the next five years? what's sort of the master plan as you look over the next five years You've gone through this transformation of the company from kind of just EDA, right, to kind of diversifying it into system design, multi-physics, more IP. you've gone through this transformation of the company from kind of just eda right to kind of diversifying it into system design multi-physics more ip What's the kind of the grand strategy? what's the kind of the grand strategy What should investors expect over the next five years? what should investors expect over the next five years

Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Vivek, and it's great to be here. By the way, I'm a big fan of Vivek's, and in the CadenceLIVE in April, I gave this talk, and your numbers just came out, your semi-market numbers, so I quoted Vivek and put it, and then all the analysts said I should also quote them. Yeah, thank you, Vivek, and it's great to be here. yeah thank you vivek and it's great to be here By the way, I'm a big fan of Vivek's, and in the Cadence LIVE in April, I gave this talk, and your numbers just came out, your semi-market numbers, so I quoted Vivek and put it, and then all the analysts said I should also quote them. by the way i'm a big fan of vivek's and in the cadence live in april i gave this talk and your numbers just came out your semi-market numbers so i quoted vivek and put it and then all the analysts said i should also quote them

Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. thank you

Speaker 1: Very good numbers and analysis. It's great to be here, Vivek. In terms of Cadence, yeah, last five years have been phenomenal growth, I think, and because we have about 15% CAGR in a tough market. Parts of the semi market was good, but part of the semi market was not that good. Also, our margin has improved. We crossed rule of 60 this year. Very good numbers and analysis. very good numbers and analysis It's great to be here, Vivek. it's great to be here vivek In terms of Cadence, yeah, last five years have been phenomenal growth, I think, and because we have about 15% CAGR in a tough market. in terms of cadence yeah last five years have been phenomenal growth i think and because we have about 15% cagr in a tough market Parts of the semi market was good, but part of the semi market was not that good. parts of the semi market was good but part of the semi market was not that good Also, our margin has improved. also our margin has improved We crossed rule of 60 this year. we crossed rule of 60 this year Going forward, I think the environment is improving. I think our customer environment is improving. Our competitive position the best it has been. Going forward, I think, and of course, I started all this SDA in 2017, 2018. SDA is still good, but the value of EDA and IP is much higher because of resurgence of semiconductors, resurgence of AI. Not just in semi companies, but in hyperscaler companies. Going forward, I think the environment is improving. going forward i think the environment is improving I think our customer environment is improving. i think our customer environment is improving Our competitive position the best it has been. our competitive position the best it has been Going forward, I think, and of course, I started all this SDA in 2017, 2018. going forward i think and of course i started all this sda in 2017 2018 SDA is still good, but the value of EDA and IP is much higher because of resurgence of semiconductors, resurgence of AI. sda is still good but the value of eda and ip is much higher because of resurgence of semiconductors resurgence of ai Not just in semi companies, but in hyperscaler companies. not just in semi companies but in hyperscaler companies I think it'll be more of the same, but I feel that we are well-positioned in all the three areas, EDA, IP, and SDA. EDA and IP have potential to grow meaningfully the next five years. SDA still will be good, don't get me wrong, but I think the value of EDA in 2026 is much higher than 2018. I think it'll be more of the same, but I feel that we are well-positioned in all the three areas, EDA, IP, and SDA. i think it'll be more of the same but i feel that we are well-positioned in all the three areas eda ip and sda EDA and IP have potential to grow meaningfully the next five years. eda and ip have potential to grow meaningfully the next five years SDA still will be good, don't get me wrong, but I think the value of EDA in 2026 is much higher than 2018. sda still will be good don't get me wrong but i think the value of eda in 2026 is much higher than 2018

Speaker 2: Got it. Got it. got it The one question that has emerged this year for not just Cadence, but for anyone connected to the software industry, has been the potential of disruption from AI. Give us kind of your measured view, Anirudh, of are there certain parts of your design flow where AI can be disruptive? The one question that has emerged this year for not just Cadence, but for anyone connected to the software industry, has been the potential of disruption from AI. the one question that has emerged this year for not just cadence but for anyone connected to the software industry has been the potential of disruption from ai Give us kind of your measured view, Anirudh, of are there certain parts of your design flow where AI can be disruptive? give us kind of your measured view anirudh of are there certain parts of your design flow where ai can be disruptive How do you think about just the emergence? Of course, it's giving you opportunities for more engagement with customers, but are there parts of the design flow that we should kind of watch out for any kind of disruption? How do you think about just the emergence? how do you think about just the emergence Of course, it's giving you opportunities for more engagement with customers, but are there parts of the design flow that we should kind of watch out for any kind of disruption? of course it's giving you opportunities for more engagement with customers but are there parts of the design flow that we should kind of watch out for any kind of disruption

Speaker 1: Well, AI is a net positive to us, and there are multiple reasons for that. I've said this a long time, so sorry if some of this is repeat. First of all, in terms of software, we are both involved in the building of AI and the consumption of AI. Well, AI is a net positive to us, and there are multiple reasons for that. well ai is a net positive to us and there are multiple reasons for that I've said this a long time, so sorry if some of this is repeat. i've said this a long time so sorry if some of this is repeat First of all, in terms of software, we are both involved in the building of AI and the consumption of AI. first of all in terms of software we are both involved in the building of ai and the consumption of ai

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: This is designed for AI and AI for design. That is not true for any other software. Okay. We love all our software colleagues, no other software is directly involved in building Nvidia chips or Google TPUs. I think that's one benefit. This is designed for AI and AI for design. this is designed for ai and ai for design That is not true for any other software. that is not true for any other software Okay. okay We love all our software colleagues, no other software is directly involved in building Nvidia chips or Google TPUs. we love all our software colleagues no other software is directly involved in building nvidia chips or google tpus I think that's one benefit. i think that's one benefit When we apply AI to us, it can be transformative in terms of productivity, then people worry that, okay, if you are going to be 5x more productive, does that mean less usage of your base tools? What you have to remember is even in that part. See, that's why I'm so optimistic about not just about SDA, but EDA and IP. When we apply AI to us, it can be transformative in terms of productivity, then people worry that, okay, if you are going to be 5x more productive, does that mean less usage of your base tools? when we apply ai to us it can be transformative in terms of productivity then people worry that okay if you are going to be 5x more productive does that mean less usage of your base tools What you have to remember is even in that part. what you have to remember is even in that part See, that's why I'm so optimistic about not just about SDA, but EDA and IP. see that's why i'm so optimistic about not just about sda but eda and ip When we apply AI to our products, our workload is exponentials. See, I talked to one big customer, and this is true for all of them. They're saying that every next chip, they need 2x more engineers. When we apply AI to our products, our workload is exponentials. when we apply ai to our products our workload is exponentials See, I talked to one big customer, and this is true for all of them. see i talked to one big customer and this is true for all of them They're saying that every next chip, they need 2x more engineers. they're saying that every next chip they need 2x more engineers That's an unrealizable headcount curve. AI is needed. AI will blunt the headcount curve, right? If the workload is constant, if it blunts the headcount curve, there's a worry that it reduces usage. In our case, because the workload demand is exponential, the blunting of headcount curves makes it possible. That's an unrealizable headcount curve. that's an unrealizable headcount curve AI is needed. ai is needed AI will blunt the headcount curve, right? ai will blunt the headcount curve right If the workload is constant, if it blunts the headcount curve, there's a worry that it reduces usage. if the workload is constant if it blunts the headcount curve there's a worry that it reduces usage In our case, because the workload demand is exponential, the blunting of headcount curves makes it possible. in our case because the workload demand is exponential the blunting of headcount curves makes it possible

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: The market expects 5x, 10x improvement, just like we have delivered 100x over the last 20 years. I just came back from Imec Technology Forum, I was telling some people. This is supposed to continue. Kevin gave a good talk from TSMC. The market expects 5x, 10x improvement, just like we have delivered 100x over the last 20 years. the market expects 5x 10x improvement just like we have delivered 100x over the last 20 years I just came back from Imec Technology Forum, I was telling some people. i just came back from imec technology forum i was telling some people This is supposed to continue. this is supposed to continue Kevin gave a good talk from TSMC. kevin gave a good talk from tsmc He's showing TSMC roadmap, the number of transistors on these systems, chip plus package, will go up 48x or 50x in the next five years. To design all these things, you need that productivity, okay? That you can see that even when, for example, recently Jensen talked about Cadence at Computex. He's showing TSMC roadmap, the number of transistors on these systems, chip plus package, will go up 48x or 50x in the next five years. he's showing tsmc roadmap the number of transistors on these systems chip plus package will go up 48x or 50x in the next five years To design all these things, you need that productivity, okay? to design all these things you need that productivity okay That you can see that even when, for example, recently Jensen talked about Cadence at Computex. that you can see that even when for example recently jensen talked about cadence at computex

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: By the way, this all work internally at Nvidia, and they highlighted it. When the customer is writing RTL, and this is the kind of thing that we never had tools before, it's a new time for us. They were using Xcelium and Jasper to write it because they need to verify that the RTL is correct. Now when ChipStack is writing it actually uses more Jasper and more Xcelium. By the way, this all work internally at Nvidia, and they highlighted it. by the way this all work internally at nvidia and they highlighted it When the customer is writing RTL, and this is the kind of thing that we never had tools before, it's a new time for us. when the customer is writing rtl and this is the kind of thing that we never had tools before it's a new time for us They were using Xcelium and Jasper to write it because they need to verify that the RTL is correct. they were using xcelium and jasper to write it because they need to verify that the rtl is correct Now when ChipStack is writing it actually uses more Jasper and more Xcelium. now when chipstack is writing it actually uses more jasper and more xcelium Actually, the number of base tool usage is going up versus a non-agentic world. That's first thing that happens. Second thing is this new TAM expansion of this kind of capability that the users were doing manually, and we have now this agent product that we can provide to our customers. In net, because of all these things, because we, first of all, participate in the build-out of AI, that's one. Actually, the number of base tool usage is going up versus a non-agentic world. actually the number of base tool usage is going up versus a non-agentic world That's first thing that happens. that's first thing that happens Second thing is this new TAM expansion of this kind of capability that the users were doing manually, and we have now this agent product that we can provide to our customers. second thing is this new tam expansion of this kind of capability that the users were doing manually and we have now this agent product that we can provide to our customers In net, because of all these things, because we, first of all, participate in the build-out of AI, that's one. in net because of all these things because we first of all participate in the build-out of ai that's one Second, when we apply AI, it's an exponentially growing workflow. Third, the way we apply it, and this is what I've said forever, is that it uses the base tools more. I've talked forever about this three-layer cake. The agentic AI, then the ground truth tools, and then the base layer, which is compute and data. Second, when we apply AI, it's an exponentially growing workflow. second when we apply ai it's an exponentially growing workflow Third, the way we apply it, and this is what I've said forever, is that it uses the base tools more. third the way we apply it and this is what i've said forever is that it uses the base tools more I've talked forever about this three-layer cake. i've talked forever about this three-layer cake The agentic AI, then the ground truth tools, and then the base layer, which is compute and data. the agentic ai then the ground truth tools and then the base layer which is compute and data

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: If there is certain application in which the base layer or the middle layer is very trivial or not as complicated, then maybe the LLMs can do everything themselves. In this kind of complicated, physically accurate workloads, you have to use the ground truth tools. You cannot do it without that. Actually, Jensen has a very good analogy. If there is certain application in which the base layer or the middle layer is very trivial or not as complicated, then maybe the LLMs can do everything themselves. if there is certain application in which the base layer or the middle layer is very trivial or not as complicated then maybe the llms can do everything themselves In this kind of complicated, physically accurate workloads, you have to use the ground truth tools. in this kind of complicated physically accurate workloads you have to use the ground truth tools You cannot do it without that. you cannot do it without that Actually, Jensen has a very good analogy. actually jensen has a very good analogy He was saying that, let's say agent is like a robot, right? Let's say a robot comes in your home. If what you were doing was relatively simple, that's picking the bottle from one place to another place, then maybe the robot can do that. If you're going to prepare food or use a microwave, is the robot going to warm the food with its hands or it's going to use the microwave that's already there? He was saying that, let's say agent is like a robot, right? he was saying that let's say agent is like a robot right Let's say a robot comes in your home. let's say a robot comes in your home If what you were doing was relatively simple, that's picking the bottle from one place to another place, then maybe the robot can do that. if what you were doing was relatively simple that's picking the bottle from one place to another place then maybe the robot can do that If you're going to prepare food or use a microwave, is the robot going to warm the food with its hands or it's going to use the microwave that's already there? if you're going to prepare food or use a microwave is the robot going to warm the food with its hands or it's going to use the microwave that's already there

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: In our case, we are not even like a microwave, we are like a nuclear reactor. When a bunch of robots come, they're not going to build nuclear reactor, they're going to use nuclear reactors in a more effective way. I think the complexity of the task is also there. For these three reasons, one, complexity of the task, two, the exponential nature of the workload, and three, that we also participate in the build-out, I think AI is a very big net positive for us. In our case, we are not even like a microwave, we are like a nuclear reactor. in our case we are not even like a microwave we are like a nuclear reactor When a bunch of robots come, they're not going to build nuclear reactor, they're going to use nuclear reactors in a more effective way. when a bunch of robots come they're not going to build nuclear reactor they're going to use nuclear reactors in a more effective way I think the complexity of the task is also there. i think the complexity of the task is also there For these three reasons, one, complexity of the task, two, the exponential nature of the workload, and three, that we also participate in the build-out, I think AI is a very big net positive for us. for these three reasons one complexity of the task two the exponential nature of the workload and three that we also participate in the build-out i think ai is a very big net positive for us

Speaker 2: Got it. Just to close that, there is no genius sitting at any hyperscaler who is writing software that can completely remove their use of any part of the EDA process. Got it. got it Just to close that, there is no genius sitting at any hyperscaler who is writing software that can completely remove their use of any part of the EDA process. just to close that there is no genius sitting at any hyperscaler who is writing software that can completely remove their use of any part of the eda process

Speaker 1: There are a lot of geniuses sitting at hyperscalers. All our customers are very smart, but they will develop all these things working with us. There are a lot of geniuses sitting at hyperscalers. there are a lot of geniuses sitting at hyperscalers All our customers are very smart, but they will develop all these things working with us. all our customers are very smart but they will develop all these things working with us

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: I think that's what we see. Again, they want to use our tools and build on top of that and use our agents. I think that's what we see. i think that's what we see Again, they want to use our tools and build on top of that and use our agents. again they want to use our tools and build on top of that and use our agents

Speaker 2: Yeah. Makes sense. Now, one other thing I also find fascinating is, at the leading edge. Yeah. yeah Makes sense. makes sense Now, one other thing I also find fascinating is, at the leading edge. now one other thing i also find fascinating is at the leading edge TSMC, their ability to drive the advancements in silicon, and you are very strongly engaged with the TSMC ecosystem. TSMC, their ability to drive the advancements in silicon, and you are very strongly engaged with the TSMC ecosystem. tsmc their ability to drive the advancements in silicon and you are very strongly engaged with the tsmc ecosystem

Speaker 1: Right. Right. right

Speaker 2: A lot more than some of the other ecosystems. As they raise their pricing, is it fair to think that that actually puts a lot more pressure on the upfront design process? That's a good thing, but does it also perhaps limit the number of design starts because these things are getting so much more expensive? A lot more than some of the other ecosystems. a lot more than some of the other ecosystems As they raise their pricing, is it fair to think that that actually puts a lot more pressure on the upfront design process? as they raise their pricing is it fair to think that that actually puts a lot more pressure on the upfront design process That's a good thing, but does it also perhaps limit the number of design starts because these things are getting so much more expensive? that's a good thing but does it also perhaps limit the number of design starts because these things are getting so much more expensive How are you seeing those two trends evolve, like that one is complexity is growing, and second, is it then becoming a headwind to the number of design starts, which often tends to drive your business? How are you seeing those two trends evolve, like that one is complexity is growing, and second, is it then becoming a headwind to the number of design starts, which often tends to drive your business? how are you seeing those two trends evolve like that one is complexity is growing and second is it then becoming a headwind to the number of design starts which often tends to drive your business

Speaker 1: No, number of design starts. No, number of design starts. no number of design starts

Speaker 2: Still. Still. still

Speaker 1: Very good. Is increasing. Yeah. Of course, I've said this for a while, not just for data center, but for physical AI. Right now the design activity is very strong, and I think that it has chance to further improve. Because two years ago, there were some design activity inside the big system companies. Very good. very good Is increasing. is increasing Yeah. yeah Of course, I've said this for a while, not just for data center, but for physical AI. of course i've said this for a while not just for data center but for physical ai Right now the design activity is very strong, and I think that it has chance to further improve. right now the design activity is very strong and i think that it has chance to further improve Because two years ago, there were some design activity inside the big system companies. because two years ago there were some design activity inside the big system companies Of course, some of the really big phone companies have done this for 10 years. What is also new, you know all this, in last one year, the success of Google is a big shiny example of verticalization. Same thing in China. I just came back from China. Success of Xiaomi. Xiaomi is very impressive. Okay. They have their own cars, they have their own model, they have their own chips. Of course, some of the really big phone companies have done this for 10 years. of course some of the really big phone companies have done this for 10 years What is also new, you know all this, in last one year, the success of Google is a big shiny example of verticalization. what is also new you know all this in last one year the success of google is a big shiny example of verticalization Same thing in China. same thing in china I just came back from China. i just came back from china Success of Xiaomi. success of xiaomi Xiaomi is very impressive. xiaomi is very impressive Okay. okay They have their own cars, they have their own model, they have their own chips. they have their own cars they have their own model they have their own chips Once this kind of verticalization has happened in physical AI with Xiaomi or they also have LLM models or with this big data center with Google, I think the more is happening to compete with that. Once this kind of verticalization has happened in physical AI with Xiaomi or they also have LLM models or with this big data center with Google, I think the more is happening to compete with that. once this kind of verticalization has happened in physical ai with xiaomi or they also have llm models or with this big data center with google i think the more is happening to compete with that

Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. okay

Speaker 1: The amount of design activity has picked up independent of this pricing dynamic of the foundry because the value is very high. I see that increasing and then the traditional semi analog memory have also improved. Overall the environment is much better than a year ago. The amount of design activity has picked up independent of this pricing dynamic of the foundry because the value is very high. the amount of design activity has picked up independent of this pricing dynamic of the foundry because the value is very high I see that increasing and then the traditional semi analog memory have also improved. i see that increasing and then the traditional semi analog memory have also improved Overall the environment is much better than a year ago. overall the environment is much better than a year ago

Speaker 2: Got it. I'm glad you mentioned the environment. There were a few years in between, Anirudh, where we saw the EDA IP industry have a more modest growth pace. Got it. got it I'm glad you mentioned the environment. i'm glad you mentioned the environment There were a few years in between, Anirudh, where we saw the EDA IP industry have a more modest growth pace. there were a few years in between anirudh where we saw the eda ip industry have a more modest growth pace Closer to low double digit rather than the mid-teens. That of course followed some years where it was high teens, but I think that was a time when China was also growing much faster. If you look over the next three, four years, are we now at this mid-teens kind of growth rate? What were the headwinds that made the growth rate slow down and now what are the tailwinds that you think can sustain the kind of growth rates that you are at right now? Closer to low double digit rather than the mid-teens. closer to low double digit rather than the mid-teens That of course followed some years where it was high teens, but I think that was a time when China was also growing much faster. that of course followed some years where it was high teens but i think that was a time when china was also growing much faster If you look over the next three, four years, are we now at this mid-teens kind of growth rate? if you look over the next three four years are we now at this mid-teens kind of growth rate What were the headwinds that made the growth rate slow down and now what are the tailwinds that you think can sustain the kind of growth rates that you are at right now? what were the headwinds that made the growth rate slow down and now what are the tailwinds that you think can sustain the kind of growth rates that you are at right now

Speaker 1: Yeah, the environment is I think there are three main things for us, and of course we guide one year at a time and this year I think is very strong and we'll see how the next years go. First, the design activity is much stronger. For all the reasons I mentioned, hyperscalers are back in, and other system companies like Tesla. Yeah, the environment is I think there are three main things for us, and of course we guide one year at a time and this year I think is very strong and we'll see how the next years go. yeah the environment is i think there are three main things for us and of course we guide one year at a time and this year i think is very strong and we'll see how the next years go First, the design activity is much stronger. first the design activity is much stronger For all the reasons I mentioned, hyperscalers are back in, and other system companies like Tesla. for all the reasons i mentioned hyperscalers are back in and other system companies like tesla

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: BYD. The parts of semi that were weaker, relatively weaker, have improved. That's number one, the market is much better. We can drill down more into that, but overall, I think that's good. The second part is competitively, we are in the best position we have ever been. BYD. byd The parts of semi that were weaker, relatively weaker, have improved. the parts of semi that were weaker relatively weaker have improved That's number one, the market is much better. that's number one the market is much better We can drill down more into that, but overall, I think that's good. we can drill down more into that but overall i think that's good The second part is competitively, we are in the best position we have ever been. the second part is competitively we are in the best position we have ever been

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: Agentic, we are ahead. Base EDA, we are ahead. IP, we are taking share. Hardware, we have a unique platform with Palladium. Comparatively, we are in the best position. Okay. Thirdly, we have this new opportunity with TAM expansion with agent. Agentic, we are ahead. agentic we are ahead Base EDA, we are ahead. base eda we are ahead IP, we are taking share. ip we are taking share Hardware, we have a unique platform with Palladium. hardware we have a unique platform with palladium Comparatively, we are in the best position. comparatively we are in the best position Okay. okay Thirdly, we have this new opportunity with TAM expansion with agent. thirdly we have this new opportunity with tam expansion with agent If you ask me, last few years there's always some issue or other, like in the past, we were not as strong in IP or some of the semi was weak, or we would not have full exposure to Intel and Samsung. I feel good that right now a lot of things are aligned well, and that there's a change. We have big opportunity at some of the companies we never worked before. This part of the semi has improved. If you ask me, last few years there's always some issue or other, like in the past, we were not as strong in IP or some of the semi was weak, or we would not have full exposure to Intel and Samsung. if you ask me last few years there's always some issue or other like in the past we were not as strong in ip or some of the semi was weak or we would not have full exposure to intel and samsung I feel good that right now a lot of things are aligned well, and that there's a change. i feel good that right now a lot of things are aligned well and that there's a change We have big opportunity at some of the companies we never worked before. we have big opportunity at some of the companies we never worked before This part of the semi has improved. this part of the semi has improved

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: We have new TAM expansion. We'll see how it goes, but the environment is probably the best it has been. Yeah. We have new TAM expansion. we have new tam expansion We'll see how it goes, but the environment is probably the best it has been. we'll see how it goes but the environment is probably the best it has been Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: Got it. To your point, we had onsemi, right? Earlier, we had Microchip and Analog Devices yesterday. Got it. got it To your point, we had onsemi, right? to your point we had onsemi right Earlier, we had Microchip and Analog Devices yesterday. earlier we had microchip and analog devices yesterday

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: It's so interesting to see that in the past, 90% of the questions were about industrial and automotive. It's so interesting to see that in the past, 90% of the questions were about industrial and automotive. it's so interesting to see that in the past 90% of the questions were about industrial and automotive Now half the questions are about the data center. Now half the questions are about the data center. now half the questions are about the data center That is also, I assume, helping these companies come out of- That is also, I assume, helping these companies come out of- that is also i assume helping these companies come out of-

Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. yeah Absolutely. absolutely

Speaker 2: The downturn. Are you starting to see that? Because you have a very strong exposure to the analog market as well. The downturn. the downturn Are you starting to see that? are you starting to see that Because you have a very strong exposure to the analog market as well. because you have a very strong exposure to the analog market as well

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: Are you starting to see R&D activity pick up there as well? Are you starting to see R&D activity pick up there as well? are you starting to see r&d activity pick up there as well

Speaker 1: Absolutely. Also physical AI also benefits that part of the market. Look at ADI or NXP, just to give some examples. I think the design activity is strong, and also not only that, everybody wants to do more things more effectively with these agentic flows. Not only is the customer base doing well, but the interest in more automation is there. Absolutely. absolutely Also physical AI also benefits that part of the market. also physical ai also benefits that part of the market Look at ADI or NXP, just to give some examples. look at adi or nxp just to give some examples I think the design activity is strong, and also not only that, everybody wants to do more things more effectively with these agentic flows. i think the design activity is strong and also not only that everybody wants to do more things more effectively with these agentic flows Not only is the customer base doing well, but the interest in more automation is there. not only is the customer base doing well but the interest in more automation is there

Speaker 2: Got it. Got it. got it

Speaker 1: The amount of engagements we have with ChipStack or ViraStack or InnoStack is throughout our big customers. Whether they're traditional semi or they're data center or analog mixed signal or system companies, they all want to do things more efficiently. The amount of engagements we have with ChipStack or ViraStack or InnoStack is throughout our big customers. the amount of engagements we have with chipstack or virastack or innostack is throughout our big customers Whether they're traditional semi or they're data center or analog mixed signal or system companies, they all want to do things more efficiently. whether they're traditional semi or they're data center or analog mixed signal or system companies they all want to do things more efficiently

Speaker 2: Got it. Is that part of the agentic workflow, right? You mentioned some of these tools. Maybe talk to us about are they a means of efficiency for you or are they a means of efficiency for your customers? Or can they also become a source of more pricing power or stickiness, like some of these agentic tools that you described? How do they fit into the equation? Got it. got it Is that part of the agentic workflow, right? is that part of the agentic workflow right You mentioned some of these tools. you mentioned some of these tools Maybe talk to us about are they a means of efficiency for you or are they a means of efficiency for your customers? maybe talk to us about are they a means of efficiency for you or are they a means of efficiency for your customers Or can they also become a source of more pricing power or stickiness, like some of these agentic tools that you described? or can they also become a source of more pricing power or stickiness like some of these agentic tools that you described How do they fit into the equation? how do they fit into the equation

Speaker 1: Right. First of all, we are a technology company first. We want to make sure we deliver value to our customers. Like what Nvidia was showing, or we have so many other engagements with ChipStack, like Qualcomm and MediaTek. If we can make things more efficient for what was a manual process. Right. right First of all, we are a technology company first. first of all we are a technology company first We want to make sure we deliver value to our customers. we want to make sure we deliver value to our customers Like what Nvidia was showing, or we have so many other engagements with ChipStack, like Qualcomm and MediaTek. like what nvidia was showing or we have so many other engagements with chipstack like qualcomm and mediatek If we can make things more efficient for what was a manual process. if we can make things more efficient for what was a manual process

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: That's a good TAM expansion opportunity for us. That's the main thing we focus on is providing value to our customers, and then the way the ChipStack works, it also calls more of the base tools. That's a good TAM expansion opportunity for us. that's a good tam expansion opportunity for us That's the main thing we focus on is providing value to our customers, and then the way the ChipStack works, it also calls more of the base tools. that's the main thing we focus on is providing value to our customers and then the way the chipstack works it also calls more of the base tools

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: In terms of productivity benefit, it applies to customers and us internally as well. We have about 15,000 people roughly, okay. About 4,000 are customer-facing, or what these days would be called forward-deployed engineers. What we call AEs, application engineers. 10,000 people are in R&D. Out of 10,000, 3,000 are in IP. This is broad numbers. I think with IP group, we are also applying our own agentic solutions to them. In terms of productivity benefit, it applies to customers and us internally as well. in terms of productivity benefit it applies to customers and us internally as well We have about 15,000 people roughly, okay. we have about 15,000 people roughly okay About 4,000 are customer-facing, or what these days would be called forward-deployed engineers. about 4,000 are customer-facing or what these days would be called forward-deployed engineers What we call AEs, application engineers. 10,000 people are in R&D. what we call aes application engineers 10,000 people are in r&d Out of 10,000, 3,000 are in IP. out of 10,000 3,000 are in ip This is broad numbers. this is broad numbers I think with IP group, we are also applying our own agentic solutions to them. i think with ip group we are also applying our own agentic solutions to them

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: That's the best way to prove it. I am expecting at least a 2X productivity from the IP group. Those 3,000 people should operate like 6,000, because anyway, we have so much demand for our IP solutions, and we will hire more, but they should be at least two. The way I look at it is at least 30% reduction in headcount per project, and at least 30% reduction in schedule for a given project. That's like a 0.7x0.7. That's 0.4, and that's 2x. That's the best way to prove it. that's the best way to prove it I am expecting at least a 2X productivity from the IP group. i am expecting at least a 2x productivity from the ip group Those 3,000 people should operate like 6,000, because anyway, we have so much demand for our IP solutions, and we will hire more, but they should be at least two. those 3,000 people should operate like 6,000 because anyway we have so much demand for our ip solutions and we will hire more but they should be at least two The way I look at it is at least 30% reduction in headcount per project, and at least 30% reduction in schedule for a given project. the way i look at it is at least 30% reduction in headcount per project and at least 30% reduction in schedule for a given project That's like a 0.7x 0.7. that's like a 0.7x 0.7 That's 0.4, and that's 2x. that's 0.4 and that's 2x

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: That's like a Moore's law kind of productivity. That's like a Moore's law kind of productivity. that's like a moore's law kind of productivity Sometimes we can go even better than that. Some customers told me they want 0.5x0.5. That's like 4x. I think with this agentic flow, there's opportunity of 2 to 3x improvement, and that's huge. Now we will make sure that we deliver that to our customers and get this opportunity of the new TAM, and then we apply it internally- Sometimes we can go even better than that. sometimes we can go even better than that Some customers told me they want 0.5x 0.5. some customers told me they want 0.5x 0.5 That's like 4x. that's like 4x I think with this agentic flow, there's opportunity of 2 to 3x improvement, and that's huge. i think with this agentic flow there's opportunity of 2 to 3x improvement and that's huge Now we will make sure that we deliver that to our customers and get this opportunity of the new TAM, and then we apply it internally- now we will make sure that we deliver that to our customers and get this opportunity of the new tam and then we apply it internally-

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: This is just the IP group. AEs can be more efficient. The 7,000 people who are writing code, they can be more efficient with other regular AI tools like Claude and Codex. It's both providing value to our customers, which is the main thing, and then adding efficiency internally. Internally, you see some of it already. Our incremental margin was 60%. That's pretty good. This is just the IP group. this is just the ip group AEs can be more efficient. aes can be more efficient The 7,000 people who are writing code, they can be more efficient with other regular AI tools like Claude and Codex. the 7,000 people who are writing code they can be more efficient with other regular ai tools like claude and codex It's both providing value to our customers, which is the main thing, and then adding efficiency internally. it's both providing value to our customers which is the main thing and then adding efficiency internally Internally, you see some of it already. internally you see some of it already Our incremental margin was 60%. our incremental margin was 60% That's pretty good. that's pretty good

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: Our operating margin is about 44%-45%, but incremental is at 60%. We will always try to drive that up and also provide this 2x-3x to our customers. Again, this 2x-3x or more is needed if the number of transistors are going to go up 48x, you need much more than 2x-3x, but we'll start with 2x-3x to our customers. Yeah. Our operating margin is about 44%-45%, but incremental is at 60%. our operating margin is about 44%-45% but incremental is at 60% We will always try to drive that up and also provide this 2x-3x to our customers. we will always try to drive that up and also provide this 2x-3x to our customers Again, this 2x-3x or more is needed if the number of transistors are going to go up 48x, you need much more than 2x-3x, but we'll start with 2x-3x to our customers. again this 2x-3x or more is needed if the number of transistors are going to go up 48x you need much more than 2x-3x but we'll start with 2x-3x to our customers Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: Got it. One thing, Anirudh, that has come up more frequently is the EDA industry utilizing its pricing power? Got it. got it One thing, Anirudh, that has come up more frequently is the EDA industry utilizing its pricing power? one thing anirudh that has come up more frequently is the eda industry utilizing its pricing power Interestingly, I find that the same pushback comes with the semi cap equipment industry, right? Both are ways of complexity. The usual pushback, which is your customer, their customers are making so much more money. Interestingly, I find that the same pushback comes with the semi cap equipment industry, right? interestingly i find that the same pushback comes with the semi cap equipment industry right Both are ways of complexity. both are ways of complexity The usual pushback, which is your customer, their customers are making so much more money. the usual pushback which is your customer their customers are making so much more money Are we seeing it already and we just don't notice it as much, or have we not yet seen it? Talk to us about, has this increase in complexity, the use of all these AI tools, has it actually helped you improve your pricing power versus what it has been historically? Are we seeing it already and we just don't notice it as much, or have we not yet seen it? are we seeing it already and we just don't notice it as much or have we not yet seen it Talk to us about, has this increase in complexity, the use of all these AI tools, has it actually helped you improve your pricing power versus what it has been historically? talk to us about has this increase in complexity the use of all these ai tools has it actually helped you improve your pricing power versus what it has been historically

Speaker 1: Well, we try to always get the right value from our customers and, first, like I said, our culture is first to deliver value, and these are the biggest customers in the world, right? It's not that they're short of money. All these big 60, 70 companies that drive 60, 70%. Well, we try to always get the right value from our customers and, first, like I said, our culture is first to deliver value, and these are the biggest customers in the world, right? well we try to always get the right value from our customers and first like i said our culture is first to deliver value and these are the biggest customers in the world right It's not that they're short of money. it's not that they're short of money All these big 60, 70 companies that drive 60, 70%. all these big 60 70 companies that drive 60 70%

Speaker 2: Right Right right

Speaker 1: Our revenue. My philosophy always is if we can provide value, they are always fair to us. Okay. A lot of the growth in the past has been driven by volume more than price because they're doing more and more. Our revenue. our revenue My philosophy always is if we can provide value, they are always fair to us. my philosophy always is if we can provide value they are always fair to us Okay. okay A lot of the growth in the past has been driven by volume more than price because they're doing more and more. a lot of the growth in the past has been driven by volume more than price because they're doing more and more The way to get the right value for us is to deliver more value. I do think this agentic flow in which they are able to substitute more of human tasks with agents is a unique opportunity because we will deliver a tremendous value, like 2x, 3x, 4x, and this is the right way to capture more value for us. The way to get the right value for us is to deliver more value. the way to get the right value for us is to deliver more value I do think this agentic flow in which they are able to substitute more of human tasks with agents is a unique opportunity because we will deliver a tremendous value, like 2x, 3x, 4x, and this is the right way to capture more value for us. i do think this agentic flow in which they are able to substitute more of human tasks with agents is a unique opportunity because we will deliver a tremendous value like 2x 3x 4x and this is the right way to capture more value for us

Speaker 2: It drives more consumption of base tools and your value is more levered to the consumption of your tools, right? It drives more consumption of base tools and your value is more levered to the consumption of your tools, right? it drives more consumption of base tools and your value is more levered to the consumption of your tools right

Speaker 1: Not only that, it's a new TAM, first of all. It's a new TAM. Not only that, it's a new TAM, first of all. not only that it's a new tam first of all It's a new TAM. it's a new tam

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: If we are having tools to write RTL, like I was giving the previous example, there were no tools like that. It's a new TAM to drive. If we are having tools to write RTL, like I was giving the previous example, there were no tools like that. if we are having tools to write rtl like i was giving the previous example there were no tools like that It's a new TAM to drive. it's a new tam to drive

Speaker 2: I see. I see. i see

Speaker 1: They always have exponential workload. I think if something can give them 2-4x productivity or 40x in case of Nvidia, yes, they will use that. It's a new TAM, that TAM also drives more of the base tools. It's a multiplicative effect. They always have exponential workload. they always have exponential workload I think if something can give them 2- 4x productivity or 40x in case of Nvidia, yes, they will use that. i think if something can give them 2- 4x productivity or 40x in case of nvidia yes they will use that It's a new TAM, that TAM also drives more of the base tools. it's a new tam that tam also drives more of the base tools It's a multiplicative effect. it's a multiplicative effect Our philosophy always is, we are very thankful to all these big 70 customers and relationship we have for years. If we provide value to them, they will provide value back to us. My focus is having the best super agents, for ChipStack, ViraStack, InnoStack. This is a new way of monetizing because if they get so much benefit, they are more than willing to share that with us. Our philosophy always is, we are very thankful to all these big 70 customers and relationship we have for years. our philosophy always is we are very thankful to all these big 70 customers and relationship we have for years If we provide value to them, they will provide value back to us. if we provide value to them they will provide value back to us My focus is having the best super agents, for ChipStack, ViraStack, InnoStack. my focus is having the best super agents for chipstack virastack innostack This is a new way of monetizing because if they get so much benefit, they are more than willing to share that with us. this is a new way of monetizing because if they get so much benefit they are more than willing to share that with us

Speaker 2: Got it. Makes sense. You mentioned growth in IP. Got it. got it Makes sense. makes sense You mentioned growth in IP. you mentioned growth in ip

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: Why did it lag historically and what is helping it now pick up and it's now become one of the faster-growing parts of your business? Why did it lag historically and what is helping it now pick up and it's now become one of the faster-growing parts of your business? why did it lag historically and what is helping it now pick up and it's now become one of the faster-growing parts of your business

Speaker 1: Yeah. IP, first of all, I also intentionally in the beginning, didn't invest as much in IP, just to be honest, because we wanted to make sure that we are good in EDA first. Yeah. yeah IP, first of all, I also intentionally in the beginning, didn't invest as much in IP, just to be honest, because we wanted to make sure that we are good in EDA first. ip first of all i also intentionally in the beginning didn't invest as much in ip just to be honest because we wanted to make sure that we are good in eda first

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. yeah

Speaker 1: We have been a transition of one business to another. I also personally invested more in EDA because that's the core of our business. If you're strong in EDA, then everything follows from that. We have been a transition of one business to another. we have been a transition of one business to another I also personally invested more in EDA because that's the core of our business. i also personally invested more in eda because that's the core of our business If you're strong in EDA, then everything follows from that. if you're strong in eda then everything follows from that

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: First four years when I was doing, I was more focused on EDA. I think few things have changed in IP. One is because of this AI and disaggregation, some star IP is a lot more valuable. We are focused on these five star IPs, which just to, without getting too tech, DDR, the memory subsystem, PCIe, UCIe, which is chip-to-chip, HBM. First four years when I was doing, I was more focused on EDA. first four years when i was doing i was more focused on eda I think few things have changed in IP. i think few things have changed in ip One is because of this AI and disaggregation, some star IP is a lot more valuable. one is because of this ai and disaggregation some star ip is a lot more valuable We are focused on these five star IPs, which just to, without getting too tech, DDR, the memory subsystem, PCIe, UCIe, which is chip-to-chip, HBM. we are focused on these five star ips which just to without getting too tech ddr the memory subsystem pcie ucie which is chip-to-chip hbm

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: Then SerDes. Okay. We are always focused on advanced node star IP. Because again, part of the IP business was Tensilica, which is more profitable. We always thought if we focus on few star IPs and do a good job, you can get a better margin and better behavior. Because our customers, see, even they are these really big customers, we always focus on win with the winners, the really big guys, because once you win with the winners, Then SerDes. then serdes Okay. okay We are always focused on advanced node star IP. we are always focused on advanced node star ip Because again, part of the IP business was Tensilica, which is more profitable. because again part of the ip business was tensilica which is more profitable We always thought if we focus on few star IPs and do a good job, you can get a better margin and better behavior. we always thought if we focus on few star ips and do a good job you can get a better margin and better behavior Because our customers, see, even they are these really big customers, we always focus on win with the winners, the really big guys, because once you win with the winners, because our customers see even they are these really big customers we always focus on win with the winners the really big guys because once you win with the winners The other stuff just happens naturally. Okay. The big with the winners, they always buy best in class. They're not interested in. They're not buying something for. They want to buy best in class. It's better to focus on few things and do them well rather than have a big portfolio. That's the second difference, which I think has played out well now. The other stuff just happens naturally. the other stuff just happens naturally Okay. okay The big with the winners, they always buy best in class. the big with the winners they always buy best in class They're not interested in. they're not interested in They're not buying something for. they're not buying something for They want to buy best in class. they want to buy best in class It's better to focus on few things and do them well rather than have a big portfolio. it's better to focus on few things and do them well rather than have a big portfolio That's the second difference, which I think has played out well now. that's the second difference which i think has played out well now It took few years for that. Third thing, which is probably the most important, is I, over the years, changed all the R&D teams in Cadence, and we always have very technical leadership and very good R&D teams. Finally, in IP, I finally believe that the team is world-class. It wasn't world-class before. It took few years for that. it took few years for that Third thing, which is probably the most important, is I, over the years, changed all the R&D teams in Cadence, and we always have very technical leadership and very good R&D teams. third thing which is probably the most important is i over the years changed all the r&d teams in cadence and we always have very technical leadership and very good r&d teams Finally, in IP, I finally believe that the team is world-class. finally in ip i finally believe that the team is world-class It wasn't world-class before. it wasn't world-class before I think over the last few years they are world-class. If you look at all the GMs in Cadence, they are all technical there, because that's what our customers want. As a result, these are standard base IPs, even these five things I mentioned. DDR is a standard, right? Whether somebody chooses or not depends on how good the PPA is, Power, Performance, and Area. I think over the last few years they are world-class. i think over the last few years they are world-class If you look at all the GMs in Cadence, they are all technical there, because that's what our customers want. if you look at all the gms in cadence they are all technical there because that's what our customers want As a result, these are standard base IPs, even these five things I mentioned. as a result these are standard base ips even these five things i mentioned DDR is a standard, right? ddr is a standard right Whether somebody chooses or not depends on how good the PPA is, Power, Performance, and Area. whether somebody chooses or not depends on how good the ppa is power performance and area

Speaker 2: Nice. Nice. nice

Speaker 1: We are using TSMC or whatever. It's the same process, same requirements, but how good your R&D team is, that depends. Our PPA now is pretty good. The R&D team is good. If the product is good, it sells, right? We are using TSMC or whatever. we are using tsmc or whatever It's the same process, same requirements, but how good your R&D team is, that depends. it's the same process same requirements but how good your r&d team is that depends Our PPA now is pretty good. our ppa now is pretty good The R&D team is good. the r&d team is good If the product is good, it sells, right? if the product is good it sells right I think there are a few other things that happened, disaggregation helped us, then now Intel and Samsung and other, Rapidus. The main thing is, I think we have the right IP strategy, which is more focused at these five key IPs and advanced nodes, and we have a great R&D team now. I think there are a few other things that happened, disaggregation helped us, then now Intel and Samsung and other, Rapidus. i think there are a few other things that happened disaggregation helped us then now intel and samsung and other rapidus The main thing is, I think we have the right IP strategy, which is more focused at these five key IPs and advanced nodes, and we have a great R&D team now. the main thing is i think we have the right ip strategy which is more focused at these five key ips and advanced nodes and we have a great r&d team now

Speaker 2: Got it. For better or worse, investors will always look at the two leading companies in the EDA space. Both are high-quality businesses. What do you think gives Cadence the edge in terms of potentially gaining share over the next few years? Is it that you have a specific mix of businesses or within those businesses you have an opportunity to take share in certain things? Got it. got it For better or worse, investors will always look at the two leading companies in the EDA space. for better or worse investors will always look at the two leading companies in the eda space Both are high-quality businesses. both are high-quality businesses What do you think gives Cadence the edge in terms of potentially gaining share over the next few years? what do you think gives cadence the edge in terms of potentially gaining share over the next few years Is it that you have a specific mix of businesses or within those businesses you have an opportunity to take share in certain things? is it that you have a specific mix of businesses or within those businesses you have an opportunity to take share in certain things

Speaker 1: First of all, we are very strong in core EDA. Okay. There's no doubt about that then. We didn't have as much opportunity, and you can see that in the TSMC ecosystem. In terms of PPA and also in terms of scope. We have analog. We are the only company that has all the tools. We have analog, we have digital, we have verification, we have packaging. First of all, we are very strong in core EDA. first of all we are very strong in core eda Okay. okay There's no doubt about that then. there's no doubt about that then We didn't have as much opportunity, and you can see that in the TSMC ecosystem. we didn't have as much opportunity and you can see that in the tsmc ecosystem In terms of PPA and also in terms of scope. in terms of ppa and also in terms of scope We have analog. we have analog We are the only company that has all the tools. we are the only company that has all the tools We have analog, we have digital, we have verification, we have packaging. we have analog we have digital we have verification we have packaging Okay. Core EDA, we are very strong. In IP, we are getting much stronger with this kind of strategy I mentioned. We have SDA, but what I would consider the right amount of SDA. You don't want to over-SDA yourself. The right amount of SDA, which is focused on 3D IC and physical AI. I feel very good about the mix, and I think we have a very good R&D-driven culture. Okay. okay Core EDA, we are very strong. core eda we are very strong In IP, we are getting much stronger with this kind of strategy I mentioned. in ip we are getting much stronger with this kind of strategy i mentioned We have SDA, but what I would consider the right amount of SDA. we have sda but what i would consider the right amount of sda You don't want to over-SDA yourself. you don't want to over-sda yourself The right amount of SDA, which is focused on 3D IC and physical AI. the right amount of sda which is focused on 3d ic and physical ai I feel very good about the mix, and I think we have a very good R&D-driven culture. i feel very good about the mix and i think we have a very good r&d-driven culture

Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. okay

Speaker 1: I'm R&D by nature. I said all the leaders are R&D because, see, when you interact with these top 60, 70 companies, they're all very technical too. They want a R&D to R&D interaction. I'm R&D by nature. i'm r&d by nature I said all the leaders are R&D because, see, when you interact with these top 60, 70 companies, they're all very technical too. i said all the leaders are r&d because see when you interact with these top 60 70 companies they're all very technical too They want a R&D to R&D interaction. they want a r&d to r&d interaction

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: They're trusting their huge roadmaps to a company, they want that confidence that the other side. Because we are deeply embedded with their roadmaps. They're trusting their huge roadmaps to a company, they want that confidence that the other side. they're trusting their huge roadmaps to a company they want that confidence that the other side Because we are deeply embedded with their roadmaps. because we are deeply embedded with their roadmaps

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: Okay. We have a whole culture of we will enable R&D to R&D interaction and that's thing we have gained over the years, and I think that is unique to Cadence. I think we are well-positioned as the market improves. It's a good industry. What I tell to investors is, "Yeah, you can invest in both, but just invest more in Cadence." Yeah. Okay. okay We have a whole culture of we will enable R&D to R&D interaction and that's thing we have gained over the years, and I think that is unique to Cadence. we have a whole culture of we will enable r&d to r&d interaction and that's thing we have gained over the years and i think that is unique to cadence I think we are well-positioned as the market improves. i think we are well-positioned as the market improves It's a good industry. it's a good industry What I tell to investors is, "Yeah, you can invest in both, but just invest more in Cadence." Yeah. what i tell to investors is "yeah you can invest in both but just invest more in cadence." yeah

Speaker 2: You say that with very. You say that with very. you say that with very

Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. yeah Exactly. exactly

Speaker 2: Bias. Yes, of course. Bias. bias Yes, of course. yes of course

Speaker 1: It's also true, right? If you go back and look at the last five years. Yeah. It's also true, right? it's also true right If you go back and look at the last five years. if you go back and look at the last five years Yeah. yeah

Speaker 2: Okay. One other I think interesting thing about Cadence and the EDA space is you were sort of the early leading indicator of this growth that we are now seeing in cloud AI. What do you think, Anirudh, about the whole excitement and interest in kind of physical AI, edge AI? Okay. okay One other I think interesting thing about Cadence and the EDA space is you were sort of the early leading indicator of this growth that we are now seeing in cloud AI. one other i think interesting thing about cadence and the eda space is you were sort of the early leading indicator of this growth that we are now seeing in cloud ai What do you think, Anirudh, about the whole excitement and interest in kind of physical AI, edge AI? what do you think anirudh about the whole excitement and interest in kind of physical ai edge ai They still seem a little bit further out, but if anyone has early visibility around that. Do you think investors should be paying more attention? Are those going to be real markets, real players? How much of a design activity are you seeing in physical AI, robotics, edge AI? They still seem a little bit further out, but if anyone has early visibility around that. they still seem a little bit further out but if anyone has early visibility around that Do you think investors should be paying more attention? do you think investors should be paying more attention Are those going to be real markets, real players? are those going to be real markets real players How much of a design activity are you seeing in physical AI, robotics, edge AI? how much of a design activity are you seeing in physical ai robotics edge ai

Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a big fan of physical AI, and I've been for a few years. I say the same thing year after year for a few years, people used to tell me, "What are you saying? What physical AI?" Now I think it becomes more, because we do have some early view of what is happening, it's still, like I always said, three to seven years. Okay. Now, it is already. If it is three years, they already start designing for that. Yeah. yeah I'm a big fan of physical AI, and I've been for a few years. i'm a big fan of physical ai and i've been for a few years I say the same thing year after year for a few years, people used to tell me, "What are you saying? i say the same thing year after year for a few years people used to tell me "what are you saying What physical AI?" Now I think it becomes more, because we do have some early view of what is happening, it's still, like I always said, three to seven years. what physical ai?" now i think it becomes more because we do have some early view of what is happening it's still like i always said three to seven years Okay. okay Now, it is already. now it is already If it is three years, they already start designing for that. if it is three years they already start designing for that

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: If you look at all the car companies and, of course, big famous thing is what Elon is saying, right? They're investing a lot in their AI chips and also then, with robots and all. If you see what is happening, like Rivian is doing things, and then in China, there is a lot of activity already. BYD and NIO and XPeng, they're all Cadence customers. If you look at all the car companies and, of course, big famous thing is what Elon is saying, right? if you look at all the car companies and of course big famous thing is what elon is saying right They're investing a lot in their AI chips and also then, with robots and all. they're investing a lot in their ai chips and also then with robots and all If you see what is happening, like Rivian is doing things, and then in China, there is a lot of activity already. if you see what is happening like rivian is doing things and then in china there is a lot of activity already BYD and NIO and XPeng, they're all Cadence customers. byd and nio and xpeng they're all cadence customers Okay. Xiaomi now, not just making cars, but making robots, and they're very impressive. I think you're already seeing signs of that in Tesla and in China and then some of the traditional companies, too. You're starting to see the signs of that with ADI, NXP, and all the traditional semi companies, and then even Nvidia, Qualcomm. Okay. okay Xiaomi now, not just making cars, but making robots, and they're very impressive. xiaomi now not just making cars but making robots and they're very impressive I think you're already seeing signs of that in Tesla and in China and then some of the traditional companies, too. i think you're already seeing signs of that in tesla and in china and then some of the traditional companies too You're starting to see the signs of that with ADI, NXP, and all the traditional semi companies, and then even Nvidia, Qualcomm. you're starting to see the signs of that with adi nxp and all the traditional semi companies and then even nvidia qualcomm

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: MediaTek. Yep. I think it will be a big market. Now, what I want to make sure is that as a company, we are well-positioned for physical AI. I believe we are well-positioned for data center AI, and also we are well-positioned physical AI. There is simulation part, but also the base silicon content will go up a lot. MediaTek. mediatek Yep. yep I think it will be a big market. i think it will be a big market Now, what I want to make sure is that as a company, we are well-positioned for physical AI. now what i want to make sure is that as a company we are well-positioned for physical ai I believe we are well-positioned for data center AI, and also we are well-positioned physical AI. i believe we are well-positioned for data center ai and also we are well-positioned physical ai There is simulation part, but also the base silicon content will go up a lot. there is simulation part but also the base silicon content will go up a lot

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: If robotics is going to be the biggest market ever, then the amount of chips that go into robots will be high. If the chips is high, you need to design them and Now, exact timing is very difficult to say. There's data center, there's physical AI. It's like when it happens. For us, we want to be best prepared for that. If robotics is going to be the biggest market ever, then the amount of chips that go into robots will be high. if robotics is going to be the biggest market ever then the amount of chips that go into robots will be high If the chips is high, you need to design them and Now, exact timing is very difficult to say. if the chips is high you need to design them and now exact timing is very difficult to say There's data center, there's physical AI. there's data center there's physical ai It's like when it happens. it's like when it happens For us, we want to be best prepared for that. for us we want to be best prepared for that Now, it may happen sooner, it may happen later. This may correct, may not correct. I think one thing I want to tell investors is because I believe we are well-positioned with data center and physical AI, and we are not directly tied to, there is pros and cons of that, directly tied to the actual silicon volume. Now, it may happen sooner, it may happen later. now it may happen sooner it may happen later This may correct, may not correct. this may correct may not correct I think one thing I want to tell investors is because I believe we are well-positioned with data center and physical AI, and we are not directly tied to, there is pros and cons of that, directly tied to the actual silicon volume. i think one thing i want to tell investors is because i believe we are well-positioned with data center and physical ai and we are not directly tied to there is pros and cons of that directly tied to the actual silicon volume

Speaker 2: Right. Right. right

Speaker 1: If things are good, it should be good. Even if things turn south a little bit, it should still be good for Cadence. If things are good, it should be good. if things are good it should be good Even if things turn south a little bit, it should still be good for Cadence. even if things turn south a little bit it should still be good for cadence

Speaker 2: It's good counter. It's good counter. it's good counter

Speaker 1: The physical AI part is to make sure we don't miss the next big thing while focusing on the current big thing, which is agentic and data center. The physical AI part is to make sure we don't miss the next big thing while focusing on the current big thing, which is agentic and data center. the physical ai part is to make sure we don't miss the next big thing while focusing on the current big thing which is agentic and data center

Speaker 2: Makes sense. Makes sense. makes sense With that, Anirudh, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time. With that, Anirudh, thank you so much. with that anirudh thank you so much Really appreciate your time. really appreciate your time