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BRUNSWICK CORP — Call Transcript 2026
Feb 18, 2026
[Foreign Language]Full Year 2025 della casa di moda Brunello Cucinelli. I relatori saranno: Brunello Cucinelli, Presidente Esecutivo e Direttore Creativo, Luca Lisandroni, CEO, Riccardo Stefanelli, CEO, Dario Pipitone, CFO, Moreno Ciarapica, Co-CFO Senior, e Pietro Arnaboldi, Investor Relations and Corporate Planning Director. Per ricevere assistenza da un operatore durante la conference call, digitate asterisco seguito da Brunello Cucinelli. Prego. [Foreign Language]Buonasera, bentrovati, come sempre, investitori, analisti, giornalisti. Questa è la prima call dell'anno, dove abbiamo deciso di anticiparla di tre settimane rispetto agli anni passati, avendo chiaramente i documenti pronti, per due grandi motivi. Il primo, il più importante, è che la prossima settimana abbiamo la Settimana della Moda Milanese, forse l'appuntamento più importante per la nostra industria. Abbiamo la stampa internazionale, così come quella italiana, che viene all'appuntamento. Possiamo decisamente parlare liberamente, parlare liberamente con loro perché abbiamo già divulgato i nostri risultati. Questo è lo stesso che succede quando andiamo a Pitti all'inizio di gennaio. Poi il secondo punto, avendo chiarito e completato l'intera nostra relazione con il nuovo corso di Saks Global, a seguito della sua ristrutturazione, ora questo ci permette di condividere tutto con voi. We are very satisfied with this new relationship, both in terms of sales and brand image. These new timings for this call, we would like to also keep this schedule also for the years to come. As always, all ten of us are here today. This is how we would like to proceed. I will present the key figures, Dario, our CFO, will go through the details. I will explain everything regarding Saks Global. Then I will go through a detailed growth plan for 2026, a couple of words on 2027. Luca will touch upon the international markets, and then five minutes for the strengths of our business model, in which we strongly believe and where we see great opportunities for the years ahead. Excellent revenues with a turnover of €1.408 billion, representing growth of 11.5% at constant exchange rates and 10.1% at current exchange rates. Normalized EBIT of €235.9 million, representing an increase of 11.4%. Margins of 16.8%, up from 16.6% the previous year. Net profit of €142 million, an increase of 10.5%, with an impact on sales of 10.1%, in line with the previous year. The completion of the 2024, 2025, and 2026 three-year project for Made in Italy artisanal production has been brought forward by six months with extraordinary investment, and this will enable us to operate, to function with confidence over the next 10 to 15 years. In 2025, investment amounted to €146.2 million, accounting for 10.4% of turnover. Net debt for the core business amounted to €198.4 million, reflecting the significant investments made and the distribution of €68.8 million in dividends. The board of directors will propose to the shareholders meeting, called for 23rd of April 2026, the distribution of a dividend of €1.04 per share, payout of 51%. The strong start to sales in the boutiques is also another important item, together with a solid order intake for the upcoming fall/winter men's and women's collections. This enables us to confirm for 2026 an expected revenue increase of around 10% at constant exchange rate, reflecting our long-term sustainable growth project. A gradual improvement in the financial position is expected, favored by the return to ordinary investment levels from 2026, having completed ahead of schedule the significant investment plan for the Made in Italy artisanal production. On January 21st this year, the new AI-based e-commerce website was unveiled. It was developed on the proprietary Callimaco platform, with the aim of offering personalized, tailor-made experiences and placing uniqueness, exploration, discovery right at the core. We believe that this new pageless website can generate benefits, both in terms of brand image and revenue, and I'll give you more color later on. On April 14th, in New York, at the Lincoln Center, we will host the first of the world premiere of the documentary film, Brunello: The Gracious Visionary, following the warm reception given to its absolute premiere on December 4th in Rome, Cinecittà. The premiere will continue in the major world capitals, and it will end in December in the Middle East, and that will entail a lot of trouble. A year has ended that we are pleased to describe as solid, balanced, and beautiful, marked by excellent results in terms of revenue, profits, and also international recognition. These achievements should allow us to look ahead with confidence to a future of outstanding prospects, growth in the years to come, positive forecasts, and enduring prosperity. Markets across all geographies appear to be expanding in a healthy and harmonious manner, where each fashion brand expresses its own heritage, identity, and positioning. We are receiving extremely positive feedback regarding the Callimaco platform developed by our Solomeo AI. Our new e-commerce, conceived to offer visitors an AI-driven digital experience, through which they may discover the brand's collections in a manner that is consistent with the values that have always inspired us. At the core of Callimaco lies a new concept of website without pages and endowed with its own intelligence. It is a system that is capable of understanding and following each user's preferences, delivering a personalized, dynamic, pleasant, and engaging experience in real time. Visitors are spending more time on the new e-commerce platform than in the past, because the experience seems to be both stimulating and enjoyable. To conclude, in this first part of the year, sales continued to perform extremely well across all markets, and then Luca will give you more color on this. The excellent order intake currently underway for the fall/winter '26 collections, together with the positive feedback from buyers, the international press, and our teams in our boutiques, this leads us to envisage with confidence for this year, too, a balanced and solid revenue growth of around 10%, accompanied by the achievement of a healthy profit. Now, Dario, you know that you are being translated, so do not speed up too much. Yes, thank you, Brunello, and good evening, everyone. I will begin with an analysis of... Please use the presentation to follow the slides on from slide 24 onwards of the presentation. The final revenue figures confirm the preliminary data released last January 12th, with revenue growth of 10.1% at current exchange rates and 11.5% at constant exchange rates. With regard to the other income statement items, slide 26 shows that as at 31st December 2025, we report a balanced margin and cost structure, with the reported EBIT and net profit increasing by 7.6% and 10.5% respectively, compared to December 31st last year. Normalizing margins for the extraordinary provision of €8.1 million recorded during the year following the Chapter 11 filing of our client, Saks Global. So normalized EBIT amounts to €235.9 million or 16.8% of revenues, compared to 16.6% in 2024. A growth of 11.4% reported there. First, margin equal to 75.2% of revenues, increased by 11.1% compared to last year, mainly ascribable to the sales mix by distribution channel, product mix, and geography. Operating costs increased by 10.5%, reflecting the expansion of our fashion house. Moving to slide 28 for a detailed analysis of the main cost items, namely personnel costs, rents, and communication investments. We can highlight that personnel costs as at 31st December 2025 amounted to €255.4 million, increasing by 9.4%, slightly less than proportional to revenue growth, with an impact of 18.1%. It was 18.3% last year. As at 31st December 2025, total headcount stands at 3,327 FTEs, with an increase of 226 FTEs compared to last year. This is down to the targeted expansion of our retail network and also the strengthening of our artisanal production workforce as part of the project launched last year to expand in-house handcrafted production. Moving on to rent costs, net of IFRS 16 effects, this cost amounted to €218.9 million, or 15.6% of revenues, up 19.5% compared to €183.2 million or 14.3% of revenues as last year. This increase is mainly down to three different items: new and selected openings and enlargements carried out throughout the year, certain important lease renewals, and partially costs that we began recognizing in 2025 relating to openings and enlargements expected in the coming months. As to the communication investments, they went up by 5% or €4.6 million, amounting to €96.9 million, with an impact of 6.9% vis-a-vis €92.3 million or 7.2% last year. The above reflects our ongoing and increasingly strong focus on consolidating the brand's positioning within the absolute luxury segment, as well as organizing small events that enhance the brand's allure without affecting its exclusivity. As we said last August, major events were concentrated in the second half of the year mainly, with communication investments accounting for 7.2% of revenues, compared to 6.5% in the first six months. Before moving on to the main KPIs below EBITDA, it is appropriate to briefly comment on transport and duties, which amounts to €62.4 million as at 31st December 2025, or 4.4% of revenues, compared to €55.2 million the previous year, 4.3% of revenues. This item went up by 10.4% in line with revenue growth. To conclude on slide 26, as at 31st December 2025, depreciation and amortization amounted to €180.6 million, compared to €153 million in 2024, up 18% or €27.6 million, mainly ascribable to new lease contracts signed during the period. Consistently with our earlier comments on rents, excluding IFRS 16 effects, depreciation and amortization amount to €55.6 million, compared to €49 million in 2024, with a slight increase in the impact on revenues from 3.8% to 4% for this year. Following the EBIT growth, as previously mentioned, and after financial management reporting net financial expenses of €29.1 million and a tax rate of 28.5%, net profit as at the 31st of December 2025 amounts to €142 million, with an impact of 10.1%, up 10.5% compared to last year. Before concluding the income statement analysis, I would briefly come back to financial management with reference to slide 29, where we provide the usual breakdown, highlighting a so-called recurring component on which to project expectations for the year. Then we have a component which is linked to exchange rate fluctuations, and there is a component reflecting the effects of equity investments. The increase in the ordinary and recurring component is equal to €15.7 million and is mainly attributable to, for €6.8 million, financial expenses on lease liabilities amounting to €27 million as at 31st December 2025, compared to €20.2 million of last year, following new lease contracts signed during the period. For the remaining part, €6.4 million relating to the increase in net financial expenses associated with net financial debt to the core business, which we will comment on shortly. The exchange rate component shows an income increase of €18.6 million, mainly reflecting unrealized net gains from currency fluctuations, and therefore, subject to variation from period to period. Let's turn to slide 30 and following. I'd like to share a few brief comments on the balance sheet items, such as net working capital, investments, and net financial debt. The net working capital, including other net current assets and liabilities, amounts to €313.2 million, with an impact on revenues as at the 31st of December 2025 of 22.2% versus 19.3% at the 31st of December 2024. In detail, the items were developed as follows: trade receivables at the 31st of December 2024 amounted to €82.1 million, at 3rd of June 2025, €103.6 million, and €101.2 million at the 31st of December 2025, corresponding to 7.2% of revenues versus 6.4% last year. These dynamics reflect strong revenue performance, particularly in the wholesale channel and the net balance due from the Saks Global Group, which we expect to recover upon completion of the Chapter 11 procedure, against which we recorded an extraordinary provision of €8.1 million, bringing our bad debt reserve net of utilizations to €13.7 million at the 31st of December 2025. Excluding the extraordinary event relating to Saks Global, we therefore consider our receivables position extremely sound, with losses recorded during the year equal to 0.09% of revenues, which is virtually nil, consistent with our track record. Payment terms to suppliers, collaborators, and third-party consultants remain unchanged, with trade payables amounting to €177.1 million versus €169.2 million at the 31st of December 2024, up 4.7%, due to the business growth. Inventory impact on revenues stands at 28.3%, which is substantially in line with both the 30th of June and the 31st of December 2024 reported results, and this is a level that we consider as healthy and ordinary for our company. Other net current assets and liabilities show a negative balance at the 31st of December 2025, equal to €9.7 million, versus €36.5 million in 2024, with changes that are almost entirely attributable to the fair value measurement of derivatives hedging currency risks. Moving on to investments, I'm on slide 32. You see that as at the 31st of December 2025, investments amount to €146.2 million, 10.4% of revenues, versus 8.6% last year. They relate to, for €84 million, significant commercial investments are supporting the image of our fashion house and the contemporaneity of spaces, both in showrooms and in our boutiques. For €46.1 million, they are referred to likewise important investments aimed at consolidating our strongly artisanal production capacity within the ten-year project that Brunello mentioned, and for about €16.1 million, these are almost entirely referred to significant technology investments. Finally, the net financial debt for the core business on slide 33 amounts to €198.4 million, or 14% of revenues at the 31st of December 2025, in line with what we discussed in our August call, versus €103.6 million at the 31st of December 2024. The 2025 net financial position for the core business reflects the positive operating results for the period, the significant investment plan, both as in sales and real estate, and changes in the net working capital, as described above, as well as a dividend payment, totaling €68.8 million. Thank you all for your attention. Brunello, I've concluded my remarks. I would like to hand the floor back to you. All right, so before summarizing the 2025 and talking about the 2026 and '27 projects, I'd like to go into the detail of the Saks Global issue. We have had a great, more than thirty years, relationship with Neiman Marcus, Saks and Bergdorf Goodman, which were brought together last year under Saks Global. We continue to regard them as three distinct department stores in the world of fashion that are extremely important and among the finest in the world. We have grown consistently in both revenue and brand image, and in over thirty years, we've never lost a single dollar. So we're not commenting on their financial merger, but for us, they remain separate brands, as I said. Only a very small amount of end customers overlap between Neiman Marcus and Saks, and this means that in the eyes of the final client, the strong and distinct value of the brands, Neiman Marcus, Saks, and Bergdorf Goodman, clearly remains. The spaces we have with them are very nice. They're beautiful, significant, located in equally important locations. Broadly speaking, our relationship with them is about half concession and half traditional wholesale, representing approximately 6% to 7% of our total company revenues. For us, business in 2025 has performed very, very well with all three, Saks, Neiman and Bergdorf, both menswear and womenswear, and the image, the visual presentation, and lifestyle positioning have remained at a very high level. Since January, there has been a new team in place. We think they are highly capable. We know them very well because the team is led by Geoffroy van Raemdonck, and Lana. They are outstanding product experts, and this is something we've always appreciated. They're coming to Milan next week, and so first and foremost, the discussion is about product, then about brand contemporaneity, visual identity and lifestyle, and only afterwards, about other topics. The entire team performed very well at Neiman Marcus. We met them in New York, and they clearly explained the group's new strategy, which is very clear, is based on concentration and elevation. This means closing non-profitable stores, which incidentally do not concern us, and carefully selecting brands in order to remain firmly positioned in the true luxury while including contemporary brands. So we are closing this 2025 cycle with them by booking a provision of €8 million to cover any potential losses, as we said, which allows us to feel very comfortable for the future. These would represent the only potential losses in more than thirty years of track record with them. Since the end of January, we've begun this new phase. We've resumed deliveries, we are already receiving payments on time, and they are preparing orders with extreme care for the autumn/winter 2026 men's and women's collections. The feedback on the collections has been so far truly exceptional. They said, "You have created the two most beautiful collections in our history." Hopefully, that's true. These assessments align perfectly with those of our other clients, the teams in our boutiques as well. The best adjectives that they've used are rich and unique, and we like them very much. They've told us that sales of our brand have been performing well at the beginning of this year, too, and this is a very important moment. Please note and remember that we always consider the three brands together, but separate. We expect a year of solid growth, not only in terms of revenue, but also in terms of image. Bergdorf Goodman, we will have two new spaces. Final conclusions for the year 2025, which is for us the second, the end of the second year of our five-year plan, 2024 to 2028. 2028 will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the company. We have defined this year as record-breaking, record-breaking in terms of growth, profits, investments, and also for the recognition. Revenues increased by 11.5% at current exchange rates and by 10.1% at constant exchange rates. Throughout our history, our 30 years as a listed company, we have achieved an average revenue growth of 13.7%, while in 2021-2022, we recorded a 30% growth, which was rather unusual, but 13.7% at current exchange rates and 13.4% at constant exchange rates. EBIT showed a slight improvement, 16.8% normalized because of the tax-related topic. Net profit, 10.1%. Inventory remains healthy, high quality, well-balanced, as has always been the case for our company. Please note that we work in the apparel world, and this has been our average value since we became public. If inventory were a bit older, the image in the boutiques would be old styled as well, and not contemporary any longer, and this would have an impact on sales. Investments, we've reached a peak in 2025 with 10.4%. However, now that we have completed all our factories and the expansion of our headquarters, we feel well positioned for the next 10 to 15 years. Net debt, maximum level, but we consider that a healthy level. Over the next three years, it will decrease as investments, so we'll normalize it around 6%, mainly related to commercial activities. But do not think we have reduced investments. They should be viewed in combination with the last three-year period, during which they accounted for approximately 9% on average, dividends and change to 50% of the net profit. So how do we envisage 2026 in quite tangible way? Sales in the first part of the year have been excellent across all geographies, and Luca will go into details shortly. We expect healthy growth of around 10%, EBIT growing more than proportionally, investments at around 6%, and communication investments between 6% and 6.5%. What was 6.9% last year, because in the past three years, accounted for about 0.5%, but there was the film project, which ended. Inventory stable as a percentage at around 28%. Net debt improving, also thanks to lower investments in artisanal production. Dividends, as usual. It seems to us that at this moment, the brand image is very clear, and it has a very well-rooted identity in menswear and womenswear. Style identity in absolute luxury and identity rooted in exclusivity, craftsmanship, and quality. The identity of the thoroughly Italian company, including its idea of sustainability. All of this supported by the recognition, accolades received in 2025, and the film was released in 2025, and in 2026, the movie will tour the world, starting in April in the United States. How we see 2027, but only in general terms, just to give you some visibility. So no changes in strategy. Healthy and balanced growth of around 10%, slight improvement in EBIT, and overall, we expect a performance similar to 2026, and if that happens, we would be very pleased. Luca, now it's up to you. Let's now step into 2026 based on building up from 2025. The first part of the year brings us two very positive pieces of news: excellent retail sales and a very positive fall/winter 2026 sales campaign. Let us begin with retail and starting from the product. The first months of the year is always a pretty sensitive period because there is the overlap of two collections, winter and spring/summer. Winter sales continued to perform pretty well, but it was the first deliveries of the spring/summer collection that truly provided a boost to our sales. This means that we worked effectively on the season launch in terms of timing, proportions, and weight, and visual merchandising. But even more importantly, this means that the creativity of the new spring/summer 2026 collection currently being sold in stores has been highly appreciated by end customers. This represents a very strong guarantee for the rest of the season. This becomes even more meaningful when you understand that this is consistent across all geographies and even balanced between men and women. We can now confidently say that we can rely on a very beautiful, a very fine spring/summer collection. From a regional standpoint, still within retail, North America, excellent sales, and even with a slight acceleration compared to the Q4 of 2025. Europe, very good, thanks to the crucial role of local clientele, and particularly positive and immediate has been the contribution from the flagship expansions in London and Paris, along with the widespread growth across the rest of the European network. As you know, we are very closely linked with a very high, we looked at, look up at Hermès, and we greatly appreciated Axel Dumas' remark, talking about expansion, saying that it is the customers who push the walls of the stores. It is a great expression. We therefore want to thank our customers in London and Paris who have enabled us to make these stores even more welcoming and vibrant, besides being them being bigger. In Europe, we had no new openings throughout 2025, nor in this first part of the year. Therefore, the result is definitely on a largely comparable basis. Asia, excellent sales there, with China growing significantly and consistently, week after week, from the very first days of the year, regardless of the different timing of the Chinese New Year. When we take a look at our results in the past twelve months, we can say that store by store, we have achieved a new and higher level of performance. Now, taking a look at our retail channel as a whole, overall, we can say that it continues to benefit, on the one hand, from growth in the number of customers, period after period, between 5% and 10%, thanks to the onboarding of new clients, and on the other hand, an increased average spending by existing customers. These figures highlight both the attractiveness of the brand and also our ability to create long-term value in customer relationships. They seem to outline a very solid and reassuring evolution of our customer portfolio. The growth in average retail selling price is higher than the increase in average list price, due to a sales mix that basically favors more special products. Whenever this occurs, we view it as a very healthy element for our sales and a strong representation, and also for our positioning, and a strong representation of the steady elevation of demand at the high end of the market. Based on this, we expect a very strong retail quarter in which the exchange rate effect, the Forex effect, will be noticeable, but then we believe that it will normalize over the course of the year, especially from April, where there was high volatility last year. But even at current exchange rates, however, we expect a very positive performance. Let us now turn to wholesale. We have completed the men's sales campaign, and we are approximately halfway through the women's campaign for the fall/winter 2026 collections, but we can already say that we have received very flattering feedback on both collections. We consider our order collection management to be excellent. During the meetings we had in our showrooms, we have basically restated the message from our Christmas letter to send to our 400 multi-brand clients, probably the best of the finest in the world. In that letter, we asked them to, even on the online activities, to basically try and achieve the very same nobility that their brands are recognized for in the physical brick-and-mortar world. We're very pleased that our clients have embraced this message, and we are highly confident that the wholesale channel will increasingly contribute positively to strengthening the modern and exclusive perception of our brand. The strength of the collection has allowed us to minimize the impact of this request on orders. We expect to close yet another quarter with slight growth in the wholesale channel. More important than the performance in the single quarter, however, is the assurance that multi-brand clients worldwide have closed a strong winter season with us and opened the summer season with sell-out levels that are even better than last year. In conclusion, the results and indications from this start to 2026 reinforce our conviction that we can experience yet another year of growth around 10%. We expect growth to be more concentrated in the retail channel and well distributed across regions, always moving towards an increasing geographic balance. Now, eight, nine minutes devoted to the main topics, and then, of course, discussion, and take your time for that. Our fashion house accounts for 75%, and lifestyle accounts for 25%, and we are mainly a ready-to-wear brand and only 25% in, to 85% apparel and 15% accessories. This is how we want to grow, and this is how we believe we were recognized last year in London with the fashion Oscar we received last December. A clear identity in Italian men's and women's style of true luxury, great craftsmanship, quality, and exclusivity. Therefore, we must remain exclusive and also strict in our communication, especially online, as we have always tried to do. Retail accounts for 68% and wholesale, 32%, expect to drop to 30% in 2026. We have 136 directly operated stores, few openings each year, just three or four expansions of existing stores and occasional relocations. Between 470,000 and 500,000 customers annually, with about 5% to 10% new customers added to the equation every year. We organize these events, these small-scale events worldwide, gathering about 100, 150 clients per evening. We find this format to be very important because you can speak to anybody attending. According to recent measurements, customers spend about 30, 31 minutes in our boutiques. A few years ago, it was 16 minutes, 50% men, 50% women. Casa Cucinelli are very important. We currently have nine worldwide. We will open the tenth in Shanghai in early September, and we will organize events there. Revenues per country. Today, 37% North America, 35% Europe, 28% Asia, of which 13% China. Perhaps in three, five years, we expect the split to be as follows: 33% USA, 33% Europe, 33% Asia, with China possibly reaching 18%, 20%. We started late in this country, but we see great opportunities in the years ahead. Production and sustainability. We collaborate with approximately 400 SMEs, 800, 500 people, 80% of whom are located in Umbria, Tuscany, and Marche. Sustainability. Riccardo was included by TIME in the TIME 100 Climate 2025 list, as one of the most influential international leaders in climate action. We have always believed in sustainability, in environmental sustainability, avoid waste, recover everything possible. Human sustainability, meaning how much you earn. Spiritual sustainability, how you treat others. Technology-related sustainability, how long do I have to be online for business reasons? And moral sustainability, because we are a company based in Italy, that works in Italy, produces in Italy, manufactures in Italy, and striving to work for the future of our nation, and we also pay our dues here. A very important topic, in 2025, we had around 3,400 employees with approximately 250 new hires per year. Employee turnover is extremely low across the company. However, please note that we never implemented and never will implement working from home or remote working for three main reasons: Because that way, if you do remote working, there is no distinction between private and work life. This jeopardizes collective creativity, and especially young people learn almost nothing, and they basically come up with the idea that they will always work three days per week only. This is the reason why we decided to ban it. We have always wanted to work eight hours a day, very focused, with an hour and a half in the company restaurant. If we were to remove this more no remote working rule, turnover in company would be almost zero. This does not mean that we do not consider or hold human flexibility extremely high, which has always been a tenet of our company. We all start at eight, but if you need to, if you have a medical appointment, you can definitely take it. The vibes in the company are pretty pleasant. About prices. The pure price increase in 2026 is around 3%. Part of this depends, even though a negligible one, depends on the new clothing industry labor contract in Italy, which was renewed in 2025 after six years of unchanged numbers. €60 a month after six years, I'm not so sure that it will be easy to recruit new labor, but we have 20,000 job applications per year. We only need 300, but you should consider that out of the 20,000, four- Thousand are willing to perform labor work, of course, high quality artisanal work. Then there are about a hundred people in the design team, twenty of whom are top level, plus myself as a coordinator. That's why you can definitely be sure that even if I was to pass away, the company would not be stuck. My time at the company is 80% devoted to product, including visual, stylist, and lifestyle. We have the academy in Solomeo for the arts and crafts, and we have a lot of confidence, thanks to that, that the value of the hamlet, Solomeo, that's very important. Every year, we welcome about thirteen to fourteen thousand visitors, including customers, friends, journalists, celebrity politicians, and I have a problem. The only person having a problem is me, because I have to dine with someone every single night. We believe that the village of Solomeo gives us, this hamlet, gives us a strong, strongly rooted identity and uniqueness, and honestly, we work daily to preserve it. A couple of minutes on Callimaco. Callimaco is based on a new concept of a website. It was launched in January. An important thing, usually people tend to stay four minutes on our website, and now they stay nine minutes, and they usually visit three times more products, and this is very important. Just let me share a couple of feedbacks, companies that are leading in the world, leading in all industries. They said, for example, "A truly exciting turning point for digital storytelling and luxury." Or another feedback, "A clear break from the traditional rules of e-commerce, a radically innovative experience, a truly brilliant." Or, "Congratulations on this fantastic project. Congratulations on the wonderful work you've done. We would love to meet you." Groq, for example, I can disclose this name. The one that NVIDIA bought for $20 billion. Groq said that's their feedback: "Callimaco reinvents the websites and e-commerce. Solomeo AI has launched an online platform based entirely on artificial intelligence, transforming Brunello Cucinelli's e-commerce into a personalized shopping experience that reflects the attention and care typical of a luxury boutique." Another very important company says, "A true innovation that pushes the boundaries." Highly inspiring. And then another one says, "Beautiful website that truly represents your manual work and craftsmanship." This is the feedback of 10 leading brands in the world, which wrote to us, and we like this very much. We started this project as a sort of a hobby. This is not our core business, but we reached a great success. Conclusions. We think we have great opportunities in the years ahead, provided we continue to develop contemporary collections. So first and foremost, we have to focus on products. The fall/winter 2026 men's and women's collection, the most beautiful ever, as reported. But you know, having strong collections in stores gives us a bit more peace of mind between July and December now, regardless of what happens then worldwide. We are experiencing a very positive moment for the brand image, and a brand which is Italian, artisanal, contemporary, and exclusive in terms of luxury. Thank you very much for your attention. We can open up the discussion now. The conference call operator here. We can now start the Q&A session. If you want to ask a question, please dial star, followed by one on your keypad. To be removed from the booking list, please dial star, followed by two. Please ask your questions using the receiver. If you want to ask a question, please dial star, followed by one now. There will be some seconds of silence to allow people to book for questions. The first question from Andrea Randone, Intermonte, please. Good evening. Good evening, Brunello, and thank you for taking my question. We thank you. I have a first question, which may be a bit trivial, a bit banal, but this is to better understand the guidance at constant exchange rates. You are talking about a quite heavy exchange rate with a quite heavy impact on the first part of the year. Can you give us more flavor? Are you talking about 2%? Is this going to be the impact on the full year? Is it a reasonable value? And then I have a second question. Can you summarize again the elements that lead to an improvement in the cash generation? You talked about a normalization of investment, a stable working capital. These seem to be the main elements for an improvement in cash generation, but this is certainly, the normalization of cash generation is certainly important for the market. If you can, please recap these elements. And the third question concerning business, I'm curious to know whether you were happy with the take up of Harrods in London, or satisfied or happy with similar initiatives. Do you think they are effective? Andrea, I will answer the second question. As far as exchange rates are concerned, we estimate 1.2%, 1.5%, 1.5% to 2% for the full year. In the Q1, we may have 4% or 5%, but from April onwards, we think it will be 1.5% for the full year. As far as the take up of Harrods is concerned, this was a beautiful success, honestly speaking. This year, I think they will celebrate the 130th anniversary, something like that. Luca will take the other answers. First of all, we want to go back to an ordinary level of investments. In the past three years, as Brunello said, we had a very high concentration of investments. For next year, we envisage to continue with the commercial investments that are absolutely ordinary. The extraordinary part of investments are dedicated to factories will no longer be there. So please, Andrea, do not think we've dropped our investments. That's very important. Investments remain the same. Thank you, Andrea. Thank you very much. Next question, Oriana Cardani, Intesa Sanpaolo, please. Yes, good evening. Good evening, and thank you for taking my questions. I have two questions. First question about the first margin. Do you expect results for 2026 in line with the 2025 results, or do you see any potential for an increase as a percentage of revenues? And the second question is on fragrances and glasses, eyeglasses. Can you comment from a qualitative and quantitative viewpoint the performance of these two categories last year? For eyewear, are you expecting to extend the partnership with EssilorLuxottica on the smart glasses part? Luca will take the question on eyewear, and then as far as revenues are concerned, we expect to be in line with what we said. If we can increase that by the end of the year even further, would be even better, but that's it. As for fragrances and eyewear, they have been performing very well, especially from an image viewpoint, because we have positioned them the right way, as EssilorLuxottica said. We are very important for them, like Chanel. With Chanel, they make huge numbers, but it's in terms of research and positioning. Fragrances are very high-end, and the response rate is very high. Do you want to add anything on eyewear? Yes. This was the very target when we launched both the categories. In these new categories, we wanted to achieve the very same positioning as the one we had for in apparel, and I think we've managed to do so. As far as extension to smart glasses is concerned, for the time being, this is not in our plans, in our pipeline. However, we have a small, high-end eyewear collection in the pipeline with a gold frame. So we really want to focus on that, and these are glasses with a price ranging from €5,000 to €9,000. Going back to the previous question on first margin, the question was on the first margin and not on revenues, but nothing changes. The final number for 2025 is a very good reference for the results that we are planning for 2026. This doesn't mean that we do not, we're not happy if we increase by 10 or 20 basis points, but the outlook that we have can be confirmed. Thank you. Next question from the conference in English, Chris Huang, UBS. Hello. Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I have three, if I may. First one, just to follow up on the gross margin. You said that 2025 is a very good reference for 2026, but I'm just curious about the actual drivers of this gross margin expansion in 2025. I think in the press release, you mentioned channel mix being one of the key drivers, but actually, channel mix wasn't that big of a difference when it comes to year over year performance. So just wondering why gross margin has been so strong in 2025, the drivers behind. Secondly, on the start of the year, I think, Luca, you provided a lot of very helpful comments on the retail channel by different regions. It- To have new colors on the geographies, I would start from this question. As we said multiple times, we do not believe that our business is mature, and the reason being that we have new customers across all different geographies. Then as to the conversion concession Neiman Marcus, you should consider three brands, Paola. I am not talking about the Saks Global gathering together all the three brands. We see them as separate, distinct brands. We have a very balanced relationship, and then we can move on with these five doors per year. The openings are confirmed to Mexico City, Abu Dhabi, and in the first part of the year, we strengthened our network in Florida with two smaller stores and then one in Wuhan, China. Expansions will play a fundamental role in 2026. In Geneva, we will expand the store in the summer, then we will expand the store in Toronto and also Plaza 66 in Shanghai. And also the opening of the Casa Cucinelli, Shanghai. I think we can close at around 140 stores, and we like this. We'd like the stores to be prime quality, the right size, and also the number. We believe in exclusivity. Thank you, Paola. Thank you. If you want to ask a question, you can dial star followed by one on your keypad. The next question, a follow-up question from Andrea Randone, Intermonte, please. Thank you. I have a short follow-up question. You mentioned progressive results throughout all geographies. I know that tourism doesn't play a very important role for you, but what about Japan? Considering that there are no longer Chinese tourists going to Japan, is this having an impact on your sales? Yes, that's true, but this is not new. Last year, Japan benefited much less versus 2024 from tourism. 2024 was an extraordinary year in terms of tourism. However, sales are- Chris, I have a question for you. Please call Pietro at the end of the call, so don't worry, you will get all the answers you need. So please call Pietro at the end of this call. Thank you very much. Thank you. Let me just point out one final thing. Please remember that we always focus on absolute luxury on these markets, so please consider where we are in the market, because we always say we work in the very high end of the market, in the top luxury market. That's very important. All right. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Chris, please call Pietro. Thank you very much. For the people living in Milan, remember, next week we have the Fashion Week, and on Wednesday, we will also get feedback from the press on the women's collection. Thank you very much for this, because now that everything has been disclosed, we can speak freely about everything, and so we have a lot of confidence and peace of mind. Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 6: [Foreign Language]Full Year 2025 della casa di moda Brunello Cucinelli. I relatori saranno: Brunello Cucinelli, Presidente Esecutivo e Direttore Creativo, Luca Lisandroni, CEO, Riccardo Stefanelli, CEO, Dario Pipitone, CFO, Moreno Ciarapica, Co-CFO Senior, e Pietro Arnaboldi, Investor Relations and Corporate Planning Director. Per ricevere assistenza da un operatore durante la conference call, digitate asterisco seguito da Brunello Cucinelli. Prego. [Foreign Language]Full Year 2025 della casa di moda Brunello C ucinelli. [foreign language]full year 2025 della casa di moda brunello c ucinelli I relatori saranno: Brunello Cucinelli, Presidente Esecutivo e Direttore Creativo, Luca Lisandroni, CEO, Riccardo Stefanelli, CEO, Dario Pipitone, CFO, Moreno Ciarapica , Co-CFO Senior, e Pietro Arnaboldi, Investor Relations and Corporate Planning Director. i relatori saranno brunello cucinelli presidente esecutivo e direttore creativo luca lisandroni ceo riccardo stefanelli ceo dario pipitone cfo moreno ciarapica co-cfo senior e pietro arnaboldi investor relations and corporate planning director Per ricevere assistenza da un operatore durante la conference call, digitate asterisco seguito da Brunello Cucinelli. per ricevere assistenza da un operatore durante la conference call digitate asterisco seguito da brunello cucinelli Prego. prego
Speaker 2: [Foreign Language]Buonasera, bentrovati, come sempre, investitori, analisti, giornalisti. Questa è la prima call dell'anno, dove abbiamo deciso di anticiparla di tre settimane rispetto agli anni passati, avendo chiaramente i documenti pronti, per due grandi motivi. Il primo, il più importante, è che la prossima settimana abbiamo la Settimana della Moda Milanese, forse l'appuntamento più importante per la nostra industria. Abbiamo la stampa internazionale, così come quella italiana, che viene all'appuntamento. Possiamo decisamente parlare liberamente, parlare liberamente con loro perché abbiamo già divulgato i nostri risultati. Questo è lo stesso che succede quando andiamo a Pitti all'inizio di gennaio. Poi il secondo punto, avendo chiarito e completato l'intera nostra relazione con il nuovo corso di Saks Global, a seguito della sua ristrutturazione, ora questo ci permette di condividere tutto con voi. [Foreign Language]Buonasera, bentrovati, come sempre, investitori, analisti, giornalisti. [foreign language]buonasera bentrovati come sempre investitori analisti giornalisti Questa è la prima call dell'anno, dove abbiamo deciso di anticiparla di tre settimane rispetto agli anni passati, avendo chiaramente i documenti pronti, per due grandi motivi. questa è la prima call dell'anno dove abbiamo deciso di anticiparla di tre settimane rispetto agli anni passati avendo chiaramente i documenti pronti per due grandi motivi Il primo, il più importante, è che la prossima settimana abbiamo la Settimana della Moda Milanese, forse l'appuntamento più importante per la nostra industria. il primo il più importante è che la prossima settimana abbiamo la settimana della moda milanese forse l'appuntamento più importante per la nostra industria Abb iamo la stampa internazionale, così come quella italiana, che viene all'appuntamento. abb iamo la stampa internazionale così come quella italiana che viene all'appuntamento Possiamo decisamente parlare liberamente, parlare liberamente con loro perché abbiamo già divulgato i nostri risultati. possiamo decisamente parlare liberamente parlare liberamente con loro perché abbiamo già divulgato i nostri risultati Questo è lo stesso che succede quando andiamo a Pitti all'inizio di gennaio. questo è lo stesso che succede quando andiamo a pitti all'inizio di gennaio Poi il secondo punto, avendo chiarito e completato l'intera nostra relazione con il nuovo corso di Saks Global, a seguito della sua ristrutturazione, ora questo ci permette di condividere tutto con voi. poi il secondo punto avendo chiarito e completato l'intera nostra relazione con il nuovo corso di saks global a seguito della sua ristrutturazione ora questo ci permette di condividere tutto con voi We are very satisfied with this new relationship, both in terms of sales and brand image. These new timings for this call, we would like to also keep this schedule also for the years to come. As always, all ten of us are here today. This is how we would like to proceed. I will present the key figures, Dario, our CFO, will go through the details. I will explain everything regarding Saks Global. Then I will go through a detailed growth plan for 2026, a couple of words on 2027. Luca will touch upon the international markets, and then five minutes for the strengths of our business model, in which we strongly believe and where we see great opportunities for the years ahead. We are very satisfied with this new relationship, both in terms of sales and brand image. we are very satisfied with this new relationship both in terms of sales and brand image These new timings for this call, we would like to also keep this schedule also for the years to come. these new timings for this call we would like to also keep this schedule also for the years to come As always, all ten of us are here today. as always all ten of us are here today This is how we would like to proceed. this is how we would like to proceed I will present the key figures, Dario, our CFO, will go through the details. i will present the key figures dario our cfo will go through the details I will explain everything regarding Saks Global. i will explain everything regarding saks global Then I will go through a detailed growth plan for 2026, a couple of words on 2027. then i will go through a detailed growth plan for 2026 a couple of words on 2027 Luca will touch upon the international markets, and then five minutes for the strengths of our business model, in which we strongly believe and where we see great opportunities for the years ahead. luca will touch upon the international markets and then five minutes for the strengths of our business model in which we strongly believe and where we see great opportunities for the years ahead Excellent revenues with a turnover of €1.408 billion, representing growth of 11.5% at constant exchange rates and 10.1% at current exchange rates. Normalized EBIT of €235.9 million, representing an increase of 11.4%. Margins of 16.8%, up from 16.6% the previous year. Net profit of €142 million, an increase of 10.5%, with an impact on sales of 10.1%, in line with the previous year. The completion of the 2024, 2025, and 2026 three-year project for Made in Italy artisanal production has been brought forward by six months with extraordinary investment, and this will enable us to operate, to function with confidence over the next 10 to 15 years. Excellent revenues with a turnover of €1.408 billion, representing growth of 11.5% at constant exchange rates and 10.1% at current exchange rates. excellent revenues with a turnover of €1.408 billion representing growth of 11.5% at constant exchange rates and 10.1% at current exchange rates Normalized EBIT of €235.9 million, representing an increase of 11.4%. normalized ebit of €235.9 million representing an increase of 11.4% Margins of 16.8%, up from 16.6% the previous year. margins of 16.8% up from 16.6% the previous year Net profit of €142 million, an increase of 10.5%, with an impact on sales of 10.1%, in line with the previous year. net profit of €142 million an increase of 10.5% with an impact on sales of 10.1% in line with the previous year The completion of the 2024, 2025, and 2026 three-year project for Made in Italy artisanal production has been brought forward by six months with extraordinary investment, and this will enable us to operate, to function with confidence over the next 10 to 15 years. the completion of the 2024 2025 and 2026 three-year project for made in italy artisanal production has been brought forward by six months with extraordinary investment and this will enable us to operate to function with confidence over the next 10 to 15 years In 2025, investment amounted to €146.2 million, accounting for 10.4% of turnover. Net debt for the core business amounted to €198.4 million, reflecting the significant investments made and the distribution of €68.8 million in dividends. The board of directors will propose to the shareholders meeting, called for 23rd of April 2026, the distribution of a dividend of €1.04 per share, payout of 51%. The strong start to sales in the boutiques is also another important item, together with a solid order intake for the upcoming fall/winter men's and women's collections. This enables us to confirm for 2026 an expected revenue increase of around 10% at constant exchange rate, reflecting our long-term sustainable growth project. In 2025, investment amounted to €146.2 million, accounting for 10.4% of turnover. in 2025 investment amounted to €146.2 million accounting for 10.4% of turnover Net debt for the core business amounted to €198.4 million, reflecting the significant investments made and the distribution of €68.8 million in dividends. net debt for the core business amounted to €198.4 million reflecting the significant investments made and the distribution of €68.8 million in dividends The board of directors will propose to the shareholders meeting, called for 23rd of April 2026, the distribution of a dividend of €1.04 per share, payout of 51%. the board of directors will propose to the shareholders meeting called for 23rd of april 2026 the distribution of a dividend of €1.04 per share payout of 51% The strong start to sales in the boutiques is also another important item, together with a solid order intake for the upcoming fall/winter men's and women's collections. the strong start to sales in the boutiques is also another important item together with a solid order intake for the upcoming fall/winter men's and women's collections This enables us to confirm for 2026 an expected revenue increase of around 10% at constant exchange rate, reflecting our long-term sustainable growth project. this enables us to confirm for 2026 an expected revenue increase of around 10% at constant exchange rate reflecting our long-term sustainable growth project A gradual improvement in the financial position is expected, favored by the return to ordinary investment levels from 2026, having completed ahead of schedule the significant investment plan for the Made in Italy artisanal production. On January 21st this year, the new AI-based e-commerce website was unveiled. It was developed on the proprietary Callimaco platform, with the aim of offering personalized, tailor-made experiences and placing uniqueness, exploration, discovery right at the core. We believe that this new pageless website can generate benefits, both in terms of brand image and revenue, and I'll give you more color later on. On April 14th, in New York, at the Lincoln Center, we will host the first of the world premiere of the documentary film, Brunello: The Gracious Visionary, following the warm reception given to its absolute premiere on December 4th in Rome, Cinecittà. A gradual improvement in the financial position is expected, favored by the return to ordinary investment levels from 2026, having completed ahead of schedule the significant investment plan for the Made in Italy artisanal production. a gradual improvement in the financial position is expected favored by the return to ordinary investment levels from 2026 having completed ahead of schedule the significant investment plan for the made in italy artisanal production On January 21st this year, the new AI-based e-commerce website was unveiled. on january 21st this year the new ai-based e-commerce website was unveiled It was developed on the proprietary Callimaco platform, with the aim of offering personalized, tailor-made experiences and placing uniqueness, exploration, discovery right at the core. it was developed on the proprietary callimaco platform with the aim of offering personalized tailor-made experiences and placing uniqueness exploration discovery right at the core We believe that this new pageless website can generate benefits, both in terms of brand image and revenue, and I'll give you more color later on. we believe that this new pageless website can generate benefits both in terms of brand image and revenue and i'll give you more color later on On April 14th, in New York, at the Lincoln Center, we will host the first of the world premiere of the documentary film, Brunello: The Gracious Visionary, following the warm reception given to its absolute premiere on December 4th in Rome, Cinecittà. on april 14th in new york at the lincoln center we will host the first of the world premiere of the documentary film brunello the gracious visionary following the warm reception given to its absolute premiere on december 4th in rome cinecittà The premiere will continue in the major world capitals, and it will end in December in the Middle East, and that will entail a lot of trouble. A year has ended that we are pleased to describe as solid, balanced, and beautiful, marked by excellent results in terms of revenue, profits, and also international recognition. These achievements should allow us to look ahead with confidence to a future of outstanding prospects, growth in the years to come, positive forecasts, and enduring prosperity. Markets across all geographies appear to be expanding in a healthy and harmonious manner, where each fashion brand expresses its own heritage, identity, and positioning. We are receiving extremely positive feedback regarding the Callimaco platform developed by our Solomeo AI. The premiere will continue in the major world capitals, and it will end in December in the Middle East, and that will entail a lot of trouble. the premiere will continue in the major world capitals and it will end in december in the middle east and that will entail a lot of trouble A year has ended that we are pleased to describe as solid, balanced, and beautiful, marked by excellent results in terms of revenue, profits, and also international recognition. a year has ended that we are pleased to describe as solid balanced and beautiful marked by excellent results in terms of revenue profits and also international recognition These achievements should allow us to look ahead with confidence to a future of outstanding prospects, growth in the years to come, positive forecasts, and enduring prosperity. these achievements should allow us to look ahead with confidence to a future of outstanding prospects growth in the years to come positive forecasts and enduring prosperity Markets across all geographies appear to be expanding in a healthy and harmonious manner, where each fashion brand expresses its own heritage, identity, and positioning. markets across all geographies appear to be expanding in a healthy and harmonious manner where each fashion brand expresses its own heritage identity and positioning We are receiving extremely positive feedback regarding the Callimaco platform developed by our Solomeo AI . we are receiving extremely positive feedback regarding the callimaco platform developed by our solomeo ai Our new e-commerce, conceived to offer visitors an AI-driven digital experience, through which they may discover the brand's collections in a manner that is consistent with the values that have always inspired us. At the core of Callimaco lies a new concept of website without pages and endowed with its own intelligence. It is a system that is capable of understanding and following each user's preferences, delivering a personalized, dynamic, pleasant, and engaging experience in real time. Visitors are spending more time on the new e-commerce platform than in the past, because the experience seems to be both stimulating and enjoyable. To conclude, in this first part of the year, sales continued to perform extremely well across all markets, and then Luca will give you more color on this. Our new e-commerce, conceived to offer visitors an AI-driven digital experience, through which they may discover the brand's collections in a manner that is consistent with the values that have always inspired us. our new e-commerce conceived to offer visitors an ai-driven digital experience through which they may discover the brand's collections in a manner that is consistent with the values that have always inspired us At the core of Callimaco lies a new concept of website without pages and endowed with its own intelligence. at the core of callimaco lies a new concept of website without pages and endowed with its own intelligence It is a system that is capable of understanding and following each user's preferences, delivering a personalized, dynamic, pleasant, and engaging experience in real time. it is a system that is capable of understanding and following each user's preferences delivering a personalized dynamic pleasant and engaging experience in real time Visitors are spending more time on the new e-commerce platform than in the past, because the experience seems to be both stimulating and enjoyable. visitors are spending more time on the new e-commerce platform than in the past because the experience seems to be both stimulating and enjoyable To conclude, in this first part of the year, sales continued to perform extremely well across all markets, and then Luca will give you more color on this. to conclude in this first part of the year sales continued to perform extremely well across all markets and then luca will give you more color on this The excellent order intake currently underway for the fall/winter '26 collections, together with the positive feedback from buyers, the international press, and our teams in our boutiques, this leads us to envisage with confidence for this year, too, a balanced and solid revenue growth of around 10%, accompanied by the achievement of a healthy profit. Now, Dario, you know that you are being translated, so do not speed up too much. The excellent order intake currently underway for the fall/winter '26 collections, together with the positive feedback from buyers, the international press, and our teams in our boutiques, this leads us to envisage with confidence for this year, too, a balanced and solid revenue growth of around 10%, accompanied by the achievement of a healthy profit. the excellent order intake currently underway for the fall/winter '26 collections together with the positive feedback from buyers the international press and our teams in our boutiques this leads us to envisage with confidence for this year too a balanced and solid revenue growth of around 10% accompanied by the achievement of a healthy profit Now, Dario, you know that you are being translated, so do not speed up too much. now dario you know that you are being translated so do not speed up too much
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, Brunello, and good evening, everyone. I will begin with an analysis of... Please use the presentation to follow the slides on from slide 24 onwards of the presentation. The final revenue figures confirm the preliminary data released last January 12th, with revenue growth of 10.1% at current exchange rates and 11.5% at constant exchange rates. Yes, thank you, Brunello, and good evening, everyone. yes thank you brunello and good evening everyone I will begin with an analysis of... i will begin with an analysis of Please use the presentation to follow the slides on from slide 24 onwards of the presentation. please use the presentation to follow the slides on from slide 24 onwards of the presentation The final revenue figures confirm the preliminary data released last January 12th, with revenue growth of 10.1% at current exchange rates and 11.5% at constant exchange rates. the final revenue figures confirm the preliminary data released last january 12th with revenue growth of 10.1% at current exchange rates and 11.5% at constant exchange rates With regard to the other income statement items, slide 26 shows that as at 31st December 2025, we report a balanced margin and cost structure, with the reported EBIT and net profit increasing by 7.6% and 10.5% respectively, compared to December 31st last year. Normalizing margins for the extraordinary provision of €8.1 million recorded during the year following the Chapter 11 filing of our client, Saks Global. So normalized EBIT amounts to €235.9 million or 16.8% of revenues, compared to 16.6% in 2024. A growth of 11.4% reported there. First, margin equal to 75.2% of revenues, increased by 11.1% compared to last year, mainly ascribable to the sales mix by distribution channel, product mix, and geography. With regard to the other income statement items, slide 26 shows that as at 31st December 2025, we report a balanced margin and cost structure, with the reported EBIT and net profit increasing by 7.6% and 10.5% respectively, compared to December 31st last year. with regard to the other income statement items slide 26 shows that as at 31st december 2025 we report a balanced margin and cost structure with the reported ebit and net profit increasing by 7.6% and 10.5% respectively compared to december 31st last year Normalizing margins for the extraordinary provision of €8.1 million recorded during the year following the Chapter 11 filing of our client, Saks Global. normalizing margins for the extraordinary provision of €8.1 million recorded during the year following the chapter 11 filing of our client saks global So normalized EBIT amounts to €235.9 million or 16.8% of revenues, compared to 16.6% in 2024. so normalized ebit amounts to €235.9 million or 16.8% of revenues compared to 16.6% in 2024 A growth of 11.4% reported there. a growth of 11.4% reported there First, margin equal to 75.2% of revenues, increased by 11.1% compared to last year, mainly ascribable to the sales mix by distribution channel, product mix, and geography. first margin equal to 75.2% of revenues increased by 11.1% compared to last year mainly ascribable to the sales mix by distribution channel product mix and geography Operating costs increased by 10.5%, reflecting the expansion of our fashion house. Moving to slide 28 for a detailed analysis of the main cost items, namely personnel costs, rents, and communication investments. We can highlight that personnel costs as at 31st December 2025 amounted to €255.4 million, increasing by 9.4%, slightly less than proportional to revenue growth, with an impact of 18.1%. It was 18.3% last year. As at 31st December 2025, total headcount stands at 3,327 FTEs, with an increase of 226 FTEs compared to last year. Operating costs increased by 10.5%, reflecting the expansion of our fashion house. operating costs increased by 10.5% reflecting the expansion of our fashion house Moving to slide 28 for a detailed analysis of the main cost items, namely personnel costs, rents, and communication investments. moving to slide 28 for a detailed analysis of the main cost items namely personnel costs rents and communication investments We can highlight that personnel costs as at 31st December 2025 amounted to €255.4 million, increasing by 9.4%, slightly less than proportional to revenue growth, with an impact of 18.1%. we can highlight that personnel costs as at 31st december 2025 amounted to €255.4 million increasing by 9.4% slightly less than proportional to revenue growth with an impact of 18.1% It was 18.3% last year. it was 18.3% last year As at 31st December 2025, total headcount stands at 3,327 FTEs, with an increase of 226 FTEs compared to last year. as at 31st december 2025 total headcount stands at 3,327 ftes with an increase of 226 ftes compared to last year This is down to the targeted expansion of our retail network and also the strengthening of our artisanal production workforce as part of the project launched last year to expand in-house handcrafted production. Moving on to rent costs, net of IFRS 16 effects, this cost amounted to €218.9 million, or 15.6% of revenues, up 19.5% compared to €183.2 million or 14.3% of revenues as last year. This increase is mainly down to three different items: new and selected openings and enlargements carried out throughout the year, certain important lease renewals, and partially costs that we began recognizing in 2025 relating to openings and enlargements expected in the coming months. This is down to the targeted expansion of our retail network and also the strengthening of our artisanal production workforce as part of the project launched last year to expand in-house handcrafted production. this is down to the targeted expansion of our retail network and also the strengthening of our artisanal production workforce as part of the project launched last year to expand in-house handcrafted production Moving on to rent costs, net of IFRS 16 effects, this cost amounted to €218.9 million, or 15.6% of revenues, up 19.5% compared to €183.2 million or 14.3% of revenues as last year. moving on to rent costs net of ifrs 16 effects this cost amounted to €218.9 million or 15.6% of revenues up 19.5% compared to €183.2 million or 14.3% of revenues as last year This increase is mainly down to three different items: new and selected openings and enlargements carried out throughout the year, certain important lease renewals, and partially costs that we began recognizing in 2025 relating to openings and enlargements expected in the coming months. this increase is mainly down to three different items new and selected openings and enlargements carried out throughout the year certain important lease renewals and partially costs that we began recognizing in 2025 relating to openings and enlargements expected in the coming months As to the communication investments, they went up by 5% or €4.6 million, amounting to €96.9 million, with an impact of 6.9% vis-a-vis €92.3 million or 7.2% last year. The above reflects our ongoing and increasingly strong focus on consolidating the brand's positioning within the absolute luxury segment, as well as organizing small events that enhance the brand's allure without affecting its exclusivity. As we said last August, major events were concentrated in the second half of the year mainly, with communication investments accounting for 7.2% of revenues, compared to 6.5% in the first six months. As to the communication investments, they went up by 5% or €4.6 million, amounting to €96.9 million, with an impact of 6.9% vis-a-vis €92.3 million or 7.2% last year. as to the communication investments they went up by 5% or €4.6 million amounting to €96.9 million with an impact of 6.9% vis-a-vis €92.3 million or 7.2% last year The above reflects our ongoing and increasingly strong focus on consolidating the brand's positioning within the absolute luxury segment, as well as organizing small events that enhance the brand's allure without affecting its exclusivity. the above reflects our ongoing and increasingly strong focus on consolidating the brand's positioning within the absolute luxury segment as well as organizing small events that enhance the brand's allure without affecting its exclusivity As we said last August, major events were concentrated in the second half of the year mainly, with communication investments accounting for 7.2% of revenues, compared to 6.5% in the first six months. as we said last august major events were concentrated in the second half of the year mainly with communication investments accounting for 7.2% of revenues compared to 6.5% in the first six months Before moving on to the main KPIs below EBITDA, it is appropriate to briefly comment on transport and duties, which amounts to €62.4 million as at 31st December 2025, or 4.4% of revenues, compared to €55.2 million the previous year, 4.3% of revenues. This item went up by 10.4% in line with revenue growth. To conclude on slide 26, as at 31st December 2025, depreciation and amortization amounted to €180.6 million, compared to €153 million in 2024, up 18% or €27.6 million, mainly ascribable to new lease contracts signed during the period. Before moving on to the main KPIs below EBITDA, it is appropriate to briefly comment on transport and duties, which amounts to €62.4 million as at 31st December 2025, or 4.4% of revenues, compared to €55.2 million the previous year, 4.3% of revenues. before moving on to the main kpis below ebitda it is appropriate to briefly comment on transport and duties which amounts to €62.4 million as at 31st december 2025 or 4.4% of revenues compared to €55.2 million the previous year 4.3% of revenues This item went up by 10.4% in line with revenue growth. this item went up by 10.4% in line with revenue growth To conclude on slide 26, as at 31st December 2025, depreciation and amortization amounted to €180.6 million, compared to €153 million in 2024, up 18% or €27.6 million, mainly ascribable to new lease contracts signed during the period. to conclude on slide 26 as at 31st december 2025 depreciation and amortization amounted to €180.6 million compared to €153 million in 2024 up 18% or €27.6 million mainly ascribable to new lease contracts signed during the period Consistently with our earlier comments on rents, excluding IFRS 16 effects, depreciation and amortization amount to €55.6 million, compared to €49 million in 2024, with a slight increase in the impact on revenues from 3.8% to 4% for this year. Following the EBIT growth, as previously mentioned, and after financial management reporting net financial expenses of €29.1 million and a tax rate of 28.5%, net profit as at the 31st of December 2025 amounts to €142 million, with an impact of 10.1%, up 10.5% compared to last year. Consistently with our earlier comments on rents, excluding IFRS 16 effects, depreciation and amortization amount to €55.6 million, compared to €49 million in 2024, with a slight increase in the impact on revenues from 3.8% to 4% for this year. consistently with our earlier comments on rents excluding ifrs 16 effects depreciation and amortization amount to €55.6 million compared to €49 million in 2024 with a slight increase in the impact on revenues from 3.8% to 4% for this year Following the EBIT growth, as previously mentioned, and after financial management reporting net financial expenses of €29.1 million and a tax rate of 28.5%, net profit as at the 31st of December 2025 amounts to €142 million, with an impact of 10.1%, up 10.5% compared to last year. following the ebit growth as previously mentioned and after financial management reporting net financial expenses of €29.1 million and a tax rate of 28.5% net profit as at the 31st of december 2025 amounts to €142 million with an impact of 10.1% up 10.5% compared to last year Before concluding the income statement analysis, I would briefly come back to financial management with reference to slide 29, where we provide the usual breakdown, highlighting a so-called recurring component on which to project expectations for the year. Then we have a component which is linked to exchange rate fluctuations, and there is a component reflecting the effects of equity investments. The increase in the ordinary and recurring component is equal to €15.7 million and is mainly attributable to, for €6.8 million, financial expenses on lease liabilities amounting to €27 million as at 31st December 2025, compared to €20.2 million of last year, following new lease contracts signed during the period. Before concluding the income statement analysis, I would briefly come back to financial management with reference to slide 29, where we provide the usual breakdown, highlighting a so-called recurring component on which to project expectations for the year. before concluding the income statement analysis i would briefly come back to financial management with reference to slide 29 where we provide the usual breakdown highlighting a so-called recurring component on which to project expectations for the year Then we have a component which is linked to exchange rate fluctuations, and there is a component reflecting the effects of equity investments. then we have a component which is linked to exchange rate fluctuations and there is a component reflecting the effects of equity investments The increase in the ordinary and recurring component is equal to €15.7 million and is mainly attributable to, for €6.8 million, financial expenses on lease liabilities amounting to €27 million as at 31st December 2025, compared to €20.2 million of last year, following new lease contracts signed during the period. the increase in the ordinary and recurring component is equal to €15.7 million and is mainly attributable to for €6.8 million financial expenses on lease liabilities amounting to €27 million as at 31st december 2025 compared to €20.2 million of last year following new lease contracts signed during the period For the remaining part, €6.4 million relating to the increase in net financial expenses associated with net financial debt to the core business, which we will comment on shortly. The exchange rate component shows an income increase of €18.6 million, mainly reflecting unrealized net gains from currency fluctuations, and therefore, subject to variation from period to period. Let's turn to slide 30 and following. I'd like to share a few brief comments on the balance sheet items, such as net working capital, investments, and net financial debt. For the remaining part, €6.4 million relating to the increase in net financial expenses associated with net financial debt to the core business, which we will comment on shortly. for the remaining part €6.4 million relating to the increase in net financial expenses associated with net financial debt to the core business which we will comment on shortly The exchange rate component shows an income increase of €18.6 million, mainly reflecting unrealized net gains from currency fluctuations, and therefore, subject to variation from period to period. the exchange rate component shows an income increase of €18.6 million mainly reflecting unrealized net gains from currency fluctuations and therefore subject to variation from period to period Let's turn to slide 30 and following. let's turn to slide 30 and following I'd like to share a few brief comments on the balance sheet items, such as net working capital, investments, and net financial debt. i'd like to share a few brief comments on the balance sheet items such as net working capital investments and net financial debt The net working capital, including other net current assets and liabilities, amounts to €313.2 million, with an impact on revenues as at the 31st of December 2025 of 22.2% versus 19.3% at the 31st of December 2024. In detail, the items were developed as follows: trade receivables at the 31st of December 2024 amounted to €82.1 million, at 3rd of June 2025, €103.6 million, and €101.2 million at the 31st of December 2025, corresponding to 7.2% of revenues versus 6.4% last year. The net working capital, including other net current assets and liabilities, amounts to €313.2 million, with an impact on revenues as at the 31st of December 2025 of 22.2% versus 19.3% at the 31st of December 2024. the net working capital including other net current assets and liabilities amounts to €313.2 million with an impact on revenues as at the 31st of december 2025 of 22.2% versus 19.3% at the 31st of december 2024 In detail, the items were developed as follows: trade receivables at the 31st of December 2024 amounted to €82.1 million, at 3rd of June 2025, €103.6 million, and €101.2 million at the 31st of December 2025, corresponding to 7.2% of revenues versus 6.4% last year. in detail the items were developed as follows trade receivables at the 31st of december 2024 amounted to €82.1 million at 3rd of june 2025 €103.6 million and €101.2 million at the 31st of december 2025 corresponding to 7.2% of revenues versus 6.4% last year These dynamics reflect strong revenue performance, particularly in the wholesale channel and the net balance due from the Saks Global Group, which we expect to recover upon completion of the Chapter 11 procedure, against which we recorded an extraordinary provision of €8.1 million, bringing our bad debt reserve net of utilizations to €13.7 million at the 31st of December 2025. Excluding the extraordinary event relating to Saks Global, we therefore consider our receivables position extremely sound, with losses recorded during the year equal to 0.09% of revenues, which is virtually nil, consistent with our track record. These dynamics reflect strong revenue performance, particularly in the wholesale channel and the net balance due from the Saks Global Group, which we expect to recover upon completion of the Chapter 11 procedure, against which we recorded an extraordinary provision of €8.1 million, bringing our bad debt reserve net of utilizations to €13.7 million at the 31st of December 2025. these dynamics reflect strong revenue performance particularly in the wholesale channel and the net balance due from the saks global group which we expect to recover upon completion of the chapter 11 procedure against which we recorded an extraordinary provision of €8.1 million bringing our bad debt reserve net of utilizations to €13.7 million at the 31st of december 2025 Excluding the extraordinary event relating to Saks Global, we therefore consider our receivables position extremely sound, with losses recorded during the year equal to 0.09% of revenues, which is virtually nil, consistent with our track record. excluding the extraordinary event relating to saks global we therefore consider our receivables position extremely sound with losses recorded during the year equal to 0.09% of revenues which is virtually nil consistent with our track record Payment terms to suppliers, collaborators, and third-party consultants remain unchanged, with trade payables amounting to €177.1 million versus €169.2 million at the 31st of December 2024, up 4.7%, due to the business growth. Inventory impact on revenues stands at 28.3%, which is substantially in line with both the 30th of June and the 31st of December 2024 reported results, and this is a level that we consider as healthy and ordinary for our company. Payment terms to suppliers, collaborators, and third-party consultants remain unchanged, with trade payables amounting to €177.1 million versus €169.2 million at the 31st of December 2024, up 4.7%, due to the business growth. payment terms to suppliers collaborators and third-party consultants remain unchanged with trade payables amounting to €177.1 million versus €169.2 million at the 31st of december 2024 up 4.7% due to the business growth Inventory impact on revenues stands at 28.3%, which is substantially in line with both the 30th of June and the 31st of December 2024 reported results, and this is a level that we consider as healthy and ordinary for our company. inventory impact on revenues stands at 28.3% which is substantially in line with both the 30th of june and the 31st of december 2024 reported results and this is a level that we consider as healthy and ordinary for our company Other net current assets and liabilities show a negative balance at the 31st of December 2025, equal to €9.7 million, versus €36.5 million in 2024, with changes that are almost entirely attributable to the fair value measurement of derivatives hedging currency risks. Moving on to investments, I'm on slide 32. You see that as at the 31st of December 2025, investments amount to €146.2 million, 10.4% of revenues, versus 8.6% last year. They relate to, for €84 million, significant commercial investments are supporting the image of our fashion house and the contemporaneity of spaces, both in showrooms and in our boutiques. Other net current assets and liabilities show a negative balance at the 31st of December 2025, equal to €9.7 million, versus €36.5 million in 2024, with changes that are almost entirely attributable to the fair value measurement of derivatives hedging currency risks. other net current assets and liabilities show a negative balance at the 31st of december 2025 equal to €9.7 million versus €36.5 million in 2024 with changes that are almost entirely attributable to the fair value measurement of derivatives hedging currency risks Moving on to investments, I'm on slide 32. moving on to investments i'm on slide 32 You see that as at the 31st of December 2025, investments amount to €146.2 million, 10.4% of revenues, versus 8.6% last year. you see that as at the 31st of december 2025 investments amount to €146.2 million 10.4% of revenues versus 8.6% last year They relate to, for €84 million, significant commercial investments are supporting the image of our fashion house and the contemporaneity of spaces, both in showrooms and in our boutiques. they relate to for €84 million significant commercial investments are supporting the image of our fashion house and the contemporaneity of spaces both in showrooms and in our boutiques For €46.1 million, they are referred to likewise important investments aimed at consolidating our strongly artisanal production capacity within the ten-year project that Brunello mentioned, and for about €16.1 million, these are almost entirely referred to significant technology investments. Finally, the net financial debt for the core business on slide 33 amounts to €198.4 million, or 14% of revenues at the 31st of December 2025, in line with what we discussed in our August call, versus €103.6 million at the 31st of December 2024. For €46.1 million, they are referred to likewise important investments aimed at consolidating our strongly artisanal production capacity within the ten-year project that Brunello mentioned, and for about €16.1 million, these are almost entirely referred to significant technology investments. for €46.1 million they are referred to likewise important investments aimed at consolidating our strongly artisanal production capacity within the ten-year project that brunello mentioned and for about €16.1 million these are almost entirely referred to significant technology investments Finally, the net financial debt for the core business on slide 33 amounts to €198.4 million, or 14% of revenues at the 31st of December 2025, in line with what we discussed in our August call, versus €103.6 million at the 31st of December 2024. finally the net financial debt for the core business on slide 33 amounts to €198.4 million or 14% of revenues at the 31st of december 2025 in line with what we discussed in our august call versus €103.6 million at the 31st of december 2024 The 2025 net financial position for the core business reflects the positive operating results for the period, the significant investment plan, both as in sales and real estate, and changes in the net working capital, as described above, as well as a dividend payment, totaling €68.8 million. Thank you all for your attention. Brunello, I've concluded my remarks. I would like to hand the floor back to you. The 2025 net financial position for the core business reflects the positive operating results for the period, the significant investment plan, both as in sales and real estate, and changes in the net working capital, as described above, as well as a dividend payment, totaling €68.8 million. the 2025 net financial position for the core business reflects the positive operating results for the period the significant investment plan both as in sales and real estate and changes in the net working capital as described above as well as a dividend payment totaling €68.8 million Thank you all for your attention. thank you all for your attention Brunello, I've concluded my remarks. brunello i've concluded my remarks I would like to hand the floor back to you. i would like to hand the floor back to you
Speaker 2: All right, so before summarizing the 2025 and talking about the 2026 and '27 projects, I'd like to go into the detail of the Saks Global issue. We have had a great, more than thirty years, relationship with Neiman Marcus, Saks and Bergdorf Goodman, which were brought together last year under Saks Global. All right, so before summarizing the 2025 and talking about the 2026 and '27 projects, I'd like to go into the detail of the Saks Global issue. all right so before summarizing the 2025 and talking about the 2026 and '27 projects i'd like to go into the detail of the saks global issue We have had a great, more than thirty years, relationship with Neiman Marcus, Saks and Bergdorf Goodman, which were brought together last year under Saks Global. we have had a great more than thirty years relationship with neiman marcus saks and bergdorf goodman which were brought together last year under saks global We continue to regard them as three distinct department stores in the world of fashion that are extremely important and among the finest in the world. We have grown consistently in both revenue and brand image, and in over thirty years, we've never lost a single dollar. So we're not commenting on their financial merger, but for us, they remain separate brands, as I said. Only a very small amount of end customers overlap between Neiman Marcus and Saks, and this means that in the eyes of the final client, the strong and distinct value of the brands, Neiman Marcus, Saks, and Bergdorf Goodman, clearly remains. The spaces we have with them are very nice. They're beautiful, significant, located in equally important locations. We continue to regard them as three distinct department stores in the world of fashion that are extremely important and among the finest in the world. we continue to regard them as three distinct department stores in the world of fashion that are extremely important and among the finest in the world We have grown consistently in both revenue and brand image, and in over thirty years, we've never lost a single dollar. we have grown consistently in both revenue and brand image and in over thirty years we've never lost a single dollar So we're not commenting on their financial merger, but for us, they remain separate brands, as I said. so we're not commenting on their financial merger but for us they remain separate brands as i said Only a very small amount of end customers overlap between Neiman Marcus and Saks, and this means that in the eyes of the final client, the strong and distinct value of the brands, Neiman Marcus, Saks, and Bergdorf Goodman, clearly remains. only a very small amount of end customers overlap between neiman marcus and saks and this means that in the eyes of the final client the strong and distinct value of the brands neiman marcus saks and bergdorf goodman clearly remains The spaces we have with them are very nice. the spaces we have with them are very nice They're beautiful, significant, located in equally important locations. they're beautiful significant located in equally important locations Broadly speaking, our relationship with them is about half concession and half traditional wholesale, representing approximately 6% to 7% of our total company revenues. For us, business in 2025 has performed very, very well with all three, Saks, Neiman and Bergdorf, both menswear and womenswear, and the image, the visual presentation, and lifestyle positioning have remained at a very high level. Since January, there has been a new team in place. We think they are highly capable. We know them very well because the team is led by Geoffroy van Raemdonck, and Lana. They are outstanding product experts, and this is something we've always appreciated. They're coming to Milan next week, and so first and foremost, the discussion is about product, then about brand contemporaneity, visual identity and lifestyle, and only afterwards, about other topics. Broadly speaking, our relationship with them is about half concession and half traditional wholesale, representing approximately 6% to 7% of our total company revenues. broadly speaking our relationship with them is about half concession and half traditional wholesale representing approximately 6% to 7% of our total company revenues For us, business in 2025 has performed very, very well with all three, Saks, Neiman and Bergdorf, both menswear and womenswear, and the image, the visual presentation, and lifestyle positioning have remained at a very high level. for us business in 2025 has performed very very well with all three saks neiman and bergdorf both menswear and womenswear and the image the visual presentation and lifestyle positioning have remained at a very high level Since January, there has been a new team in place. since january there has been a new team in place We think they are highly capable. we think they are highly capable We know them very well because the team is led by Geoffroy van Raemdonck , and Lana. we know them very well because the team is led by geoffroy van raemdonck and lana They are outstanding product experts, and this is something we've always appreciated. they are outstanding product experts and this is something we've always appreciated They're coming to Milan next week, and so first and foremost, the discussion is about product, then about brand contemporaneity, visual identity and lifestyle, and only afterwards, about other topics. they're coming to milan next week and so first and foremost the discussion is about product then about brand contemporaneity visual identity and lifestyle and only afterwards about other topics The entire team performed very well at Neiman Marcus. We met them in New York, and they clearly explained the group's new strategy, which is very clear, is based on concentration and elevation. This means closing non-profitable stores, which incidentally do not concern us, and carefully selecting brands in order to remain firmly positioned in the true luxury while including contemporary brands. So we are closing this 2025 cycle with them by booking a provision of €8 million to cover any potential losses, as we said, which allows us to feel very comfortable for the future. These would represent the only potential losses in more than thirty years of track record with them. Since the end of January, we've begun this new phase. The entire team performed very well at Neiman Marcus. the entire team performed very well at neiman marcus We met them in New York, and they clearly explained the group's new strategy, which is very clear, is based on concentration and elevation. we met them in new york and they clearly explained the group's new strategy which is very clear is based on concentration and elevation This means closing non-profitable stores, which incidentally do not concern us, and carefully selecting brands in order to remain firmly positioned in the true luxury while including contemporary brands. this means closing non-profitable stores which incidentally do not concern us and carefully selecting brands in order to remain firmly positioned in the true luxury while including contemporary brands So we are closing this 2025 cycle with them by booking a provision of €8 million to cover any potential losses, as we said, which allows us to feel very comfortable for the future. so we are closing this 2025 cycle with them by booking a provision of €8 million to cover any potential losses as we said which allows us to feel very comfortable for the future These would represent the only potential losses in more than thirty years of track record with them. these would represent the only potential losses in more than thirty years of track record with them Since the end of January, we've begun this new phase. since the end of january we've begun this new phase We've resumed deliveries, we are already receiving payments on time, and they are preparing orders with extreme care for the autumn/winter 2026 men's and women's collections. The feedback on the collections has been so far truly exceptional. They said, "You have created the two most beautiful collections in our history." Hopefully, that's true. These assessments align perfectly with those of our other clients, the teams in our boutiques as well. The best adjectives that they've used are rich and unique, and we like them very much. They've told us that sales of our brand have been performing well at the beginning of this year, too, and this is a very important moment. Please note and remember that we always consider the three brands together, but separate. We've resumed deliveries, we are already receiving payments on time, and they are preparing orders with extreme care for the autumn/winter 2026 men's and women's collections. we've resumed deliveries we are already receiving payments on time and they are preparing orders with extreme care for the autumn/winter 2026 men's and women's collections The feedback on the collections has been so far truly exceptional. the feedback on the collections has been so far truly exceptional They said, "You have created the two most beautiful collections in our history." Hopefully, that's true. they said "you have created the two most beautiful collections in our history." hopefully that's true These assessments align perfectly with those of our other clients, the teams in our boutiques as well. these assessments align perfectly with those of our other clients the teams in our boutiques as well The best adjectives that they've used are rich and unique, and we like them very much. the best adjectives that they've used are rich and unique and we like them very much They've told us that sales of our brand have been performing well at the beginning of this year, too, and this is a very important moment. they've told us that sales of our brand have been performing well at the beginning of this year too and this is a very important moment Please note and remember that we always consider the three brands together, but separate. please note and remember that we always consider the three brands together but separate We expect a year of solid growth, not only in terms of revenue, but also in terms of image. Bergdorf Goodman, we will have two new spaces. Final conclusions for the year 2025, which is for us the second, the end of the second year of our five-year plan, 2024 to 2028. 2028 will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the company. We have defined this year as record-breaking, record-breaking in terms of growth, profits, investments, and also for the recognition. Revenues increased by 11.5% at current exchange rates and by 10.1% at constant exchange rates. We expect a year of solid growth, not only in terms of revenue, but also in terms of image. we expect a year of solid growth not only in terms of revenue but also in terms of image Bergdorf Goodman , we will have two new spaces. bergdorf goodman we will have two new spaces Final conclusions for the year 2025, which is for us the second, the end of the second year of our five-year plan, 2024 to 2028. 2028 will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the company. final conclusions for the year 2025 which is for us the second the end of the second year of our five-year plan 2024 to 2028 2028 will mark the fiftieth anniversary of the company We have defined this year as record-breaking, record-breaking in terms of growth, profits, investments, and also for the recognition. we have defined this year as record-breaking record-breaking in terms of growth profits investments and also for the recognition Revenues increased by 11.5% at current exchange rates and by 10.1% at constant exchange rates. revenues increased by 11.5% at current exchange rates and by 10.1% at constant exchange rates Throughout our history, our 30 years as a listed company, we have achieved an average revenue growth of 13.7%, while in 2021-2022, we recorded a 30% growth, which was rather unusual, but 13.7% at current exchange rates and 13.4% at constant exchange rates. EBIT showed a slight improvement, 16.8% normalized because of the tax-related topic. Net profit, 10.1%. Inventory remains healthy, high quality, well-balanced, as has always been the case for our company. Please note that we work in the apparel world, and this has been our average value since we became public. If inventory were a bit older, the image in the boutiques would be old styled as well, and not contemporary any longer, and this would have an impact on sales. Throughout our history, our 30 years as a listed company, we have achieved an average revenue growth of 13.7%, while in 2021-2022, we recorded a 30% growth, which was rather unusual, but 13.7% at current exchange rates and 13.4% at constant exchange rates. throughout our history our 30 years as a listed company we have achieved an average revenue growth of 13.7% while in 2021-2022 we recorded a 30% growth which was rather unusual but 13.7% at current exchange rates and 13.4% at constant exchange rates EBIT showed a slight improvement, 16.8% normalized because of the tax-related topic. ebit showed a slight improvement 16.8% normalized because of the tax-related topic Net profit, 10.1%. net profit 10.1% Inventory remains healthy, high quality, well-balanced, as has always been the case for our company. inventory remains healthy high quality well-balanced as has always been the case for our company Please note that we work in the apparel world, and this has been our average value since we became public. please note that we work in the apparel world and this has been our average value since we became public If inventory were a bit older, the image in the boutiques would be old styled as well, and not contemporary any longer, and this would have an impact on sales. if inventory were a bit older the image in the boutiques would be old styled as well and not contemporary any longer and this would have an impact on sales Investments, we've reached a peak in 2025 with 10.4%. However, now that we have completed all our factories and the expansion of our headquarters, we feel well positioned for the next 10 to 15 years. Net debt, maximum level, but we consider that a healthy level. Over the next three years, it will decrease as investments, so we'll normalize it around 6%, mainly related to commercial activities. But do not think we have reduced investments. They should be viewed in combination with the last three-year period, during which they accounted for approximately 9% on average, dividends and change to 50% of the net profit. So how do we envisage 2026 in quite tangible way? Investments, we've reached a peak in 2025 with 10.4%. investments we've reached a peak in 2025 with 10.4% However, now that we have completed all our factories and the expansion of our headquarters, we feel well positioned for the next 10 to 15 years. however now that we have completed all our factories and the expansion of our headquarters we feel well positioned for the next 10 to 15 years Net debt, maximum level, but we consider that a healthy level. net debt maximum level but we consider that a healthy level Over the next three years, it will decrease as investments, so we'll normalize it around 6%, mainly related to commercial activities. over the next three years it will decrease as investments so we'll normalize it around 6% mainly related to commercial activities But do not think we have reduced investments. but do not think we have reduced investments They should be viewed in combination with the last three-year period, during which they accounted for approximately 9% on average, dividends and change to 50% of the net profit. they should be viewed in combination with the last three-year period during which they accounted for approximately 9% on average dividends and change to 50% of the net profit So how do we envisage 2026 in quite tangible way? so how do we envisage 2026 in quite tangible way Sales in the first part of the year have been excellent across all geographies, and Luca will go into details shortly. We expect healthy growth of around 10%, EBIT growing more than proportionally, investments at around 6%, and communication investments between 6% and 6.5%. What was 6.9% last year, because in the past three years, accounted for about 0.5%, but there was the film project, which ended. Inventory stable as a percentage at around 28%. Net debt improving, also thanks to lower investments in artisanal production. Dividends, as usual. It seems to us that at this moment, the brand image is very clear, and it has a very well-rooted identity in menswear and womenswear. Style identity in absolute luxury and identity rooted in exclusivity, craftsmanship, and quality. Sales in the first part of the year have been excellent across all geographies, and Luca will go into details shortly. sales in the first part of the year have been excellent across all geographies and luca will go into details shortly We expect healthy growth of around 10%, EBIT growing more than proportionally, investments at around 6%, and communication investments between 6% and 6.5%. we expect healthy growth of around 10% ebit growing more than proportionally investments at around 6% and communication investments between 6% and 6.5% What was 6.9% last year, because in the past three years, accounted for about 0.5%, but there was the film project, which ended. what was 6.9% last year because in the past three years accounted for about 0.5% but there was the film project which ended Inventory stable as a percentage at around 28%. inventory stable as a percentage at around 28% Net debt improving, also thanks to lower investments in artisanal production. net debt improving also thanks to lower investments in artisanal production Dividends, as usual. dividends as usual It seems to us that at this moment, the brand image is very clear, and it has a very well-rooted identity in menswear and womenswear. it seems to us that at this moment the brand image is very clear and it has a very well-rooted identity in menswear and womenswear Style identity in absolute luxury and identity rooted in exclusivity, craftsmanship, and quality. style identity in absolute luxury and identity rooted in exclusivity craftsmanship and quality The identity of the thoroughly Italian company, including its idea of sustainability. All of this supported by the recognition, accolades received in 2025, and the film was released in 2025, and in 2026, the movie will tour the world, starting in April in the United States. How we see 2027, but only in general terms, just to give you some visibility. So no changes in strategy. Healthy and balanced growth of around 10%, slight improvement in EBIT, and overall, we expect a performance similar to 2026, and if that happens, we would be very pleased. Luca, now it's up to you. The identity of the thoroughly Italian company, including its idea of sustainability. the identity of the thoroughly italian company including its idea of sustainability All of this supported by the recognition, accolades received in 2025, and the film was released in 2025, and in 2026, the movie will tour the world, starting in April in the United States. all of this supported by the recognition accolades received in 2025 and the film was released in 2025 and in 2026 the movie will tour the world starting in april in the united states How we see 2027, but only in general terms, just to give you some visibility. how we see 2027 but only in general terms just to give you some visibility So no changes in strategy. so no changes in strategy Healthy and balanced growth of around 10%, slight improvement in EBIT, and overall, we expect a performance similar to 2026, and if that happens, we would be very pleased. healthy and balanced growth of around 10% slight improvement in ebit and overall we expect a performance similar to 2026 and if that happens we would be very pleased Luca, now it's up to you. luca now it's up to you
Speaker 5: Let's now step into 2026 based on building up from 2025. The first part of the year brings us two very positive pieces of news: excellent retail sales and a very positive fall/winter 2026 sales campaign. Let us begin with retail and starting from the product. The first months of the year is always a pretty sensitive period because there is the overlap of two collections, winter and spring/summer. Winter sales continued to perform pretty well, but it was the first deliveries of the spring/summer collection that truly provided a boost to our sales. This means that we worked effectively on the season launch in terms of timing, proportions, and weight, and visual merchandising. Let's now step into 2026 based on building up from 2025. let's now step into 2026 based on building up from 2025 The first part of the year brings us two very positive pieces of news: excellent retail sales and a very positive fall/winter 2026 sales campaign. the first part of the year brings us two very positive pieces of news excellent retail sales and a very positive fall/winter 2026 sales campaign Let us begin with retail and starting from the product. let us begin with retail and starting from the product The first months of the year is always a pretty sensitive period because there is the overlap of two collections, winter and spring/summer. the first months of the year is always a pretty sensitive period because there is the overlap of two collections winter and spring/summer Winter sales continued to perform pretty well, but it was the first deliveries of the spring/summer collection that truly provided a boost to our sales. winter sales continued to perform pretty well but it was the first deliveries of the spring/summer collection that truly provided a boost to our sales This means that we worked effectively on the season launch in terms of timing, proportions, and weight, and visual merchandising. this means that we worked effectively on the season launch in terms of timing proportions and weight and visual merchandising But even more importantly, this means that the creativity of the new spring/summer 2026 collection currently being sold in stores has been highly appreciated by end customers. This represents a very strong guarantee for the rest of the season. This becomes even more meaningful when you understand that this is consistent across all geographies and even balanced between men and women. We can now confidently say that we can rely on a very beautiful, a very fine spring/summer collection. From a regional standpoint, still within retail, North America, excellent sales, and even with a slight acceleration compared to the Q4 of 2025. But even more importantly, this means that the creativity of the new spring/summer 2026 collection currently being sold in stores has been highly appreciated by end customers. but even more importantly this means that the creativity of the new spring/summer 2026 collection currently being sold in stores has been highly appreciated by end customers This represents a very strong guarantee for the rest of the season. this represents a very strong guarantee for the rest of the season This becomes even more meaningful when you understand that this is consistent across all geographies and even balanced between men and women. this becomes even more meaningful when you understand that this is consistent across all geographies and even balanced between men and women We can now confidently say that we can rely on a very beautiful, a very fine spring/summer collection. we can now confidently say that we can rely on a very beautiful a very fine spring/summer collection From a regional standpoint, still within retail, North America, excellent sales, and even with a slight acceleration compared to the Q4 of 2025. from a regional standpoint still within retail north america excellent sales and even with a slight acceleration compared to the q4 of 2025 Europe, very good, thanks to the crucial role of local clientele, and particularly positive and immediate has been the contribution from the flagship expansions in London and Paris, along with the widespread growth across the rest of the European network. As you know, we are very closely linked with a very high, we looked at, look up at Hermès, and we greatly appreciated Axel Dumas' remark, talking about expansion, saying that it is the customers who push the walls of the stores. It is a great expression. We therefore want to thank our customers in London and Paris who have enabled us to make these stores even more welcoming and vibrant, besides being them being bigger. In Europe, we had no new openings throughout 2025, nor in this first part of the year. Europe, very good, thanks to the crucial role of local clientele, and particularly positive and immediate has been the contribution from the flagship expansions in London and Paris, along with the widespread growth across the rest of the European network. europe very good thanks to the crucial role of local clientele and particularly positive and immediate has been the contribution from the flagship expansions in london and paris along with the widespread growth across the rest of the european network As you know, we are very closely linked with a very high, we looked at, look up at Hermès, and we greatly appreciated Axel Dumas' remark, talking about expansion, saying that it is the customers who push the walls of the stores. as you know we are very closely linked with a very high we looked at look up at hermès and we greatly appreciated axel dumas' remark talking about expansion saying that it is the customers who push the walls of the stores It is a great expression. it is a great expression We therefore want to thank our customers in London and Paris who have enabled us to make these stores even more welcoming and vibrant, besides being them being bigger. we therefore want to thank our customers in london and paris who have enabled us to make these stores even more welcoming and vibrant besides being them being bigger In Europe, we had no new openings throughout 2025, nor in this first part of the year. in europe we had no new openings throughout 2025 nor in this first part of the year Therefore, the result is definitely on a largely comparable basis. Asia, excellent sales there, with China growing significantly and consistently, week after week, from the very first days of the year, regardless of the different timing of the Chinese New Year. When we take a look at our results in the past twelve months, we can say that store by store, we have achieved a new and higher level of performance. Now, taking a look at our retail channel as a whole, overall, we can say that it continues to benefit, on the one hand, from growth in the number of customers, period after period, between 5% and 10%, thanks to the onboarding of new clients, and on the other hand, an increased average spending by existing customers. Therefore, the result is definitely on a largely comparable basis. therefore the result is definitely on a largely comparable basis Asia, excellent sales there, with China growing significantly and consistently, week after week, from the very first days of the year, regardless of the different timing of the Chinese New Year. asia excellent sales there with china growing significantly and consistently week after week from the very first days of the year regardless of the different timing of the chinese new year When we take a look at our results in the past twelve months, we can say that store by store, we have achieved a new and higher level of performance. when we take a look at our results in the past twelve months we can say that store by store we have achieved a new and higher level of performance Now, taking a look at our retail channel as a whole, overall, we can say that it continues to benefit, on the one hand, from growth in the number of customers, period after period, between 5% and 10%, thanks to the onboarding of new clients, and on the other hand, an increased average spending by existing customers. now taking a look at our retail channel as a whole overall we can say that it continues to benefit on the one hand from growth in the number of customers period after period between 5% and 10% thanks to the onboarding of new clients and on the other hand an increased average spending by existing customers These figures highlight both the attractiveness of the brand and also our ability to create long-term value in customer relationships. They seem to outline a very solid and reassuring evolution of our customer portfolio. The growth in average retail selling price is higher than the increase in average list price, due to a sales mix that basically favors more special products. Whenever this occurs, we view it as a very healthy element for our sales and a strong representation, and also for our positioning, and a strong representation of the steady elevation of demand at the high end of the market. These figures highlight both the attractiveness of the brand and also our ability to create long-term value in customer relationships. these figures highlight both the attractiveness of the brand and also our ability to create long-term value in customer relationships They seem to outline a very solid and reassuring evolution of our customer portfolio. they seem to outline a very solid and reassuring evolution of our customer portfolio The growth in average retail selling price is higher than the increase in average list price, due to a sales mix that basically favors more special products. the growth in average retail selling price is higher than the increase in average list price due to a sales mix that basically favors more special products Whenever this occurs, we view it as a very healthy element for our sales and a strong representation, and also for our positioning, and a strong representation of the steady elevation of demand at the high end of the market. whenever this occurs we view it as a very healthy element for our sales and a strong representation and also for our positioning and a strong representation of the steady elevation of demand at the high end of the market Based on this, we expect a very strong retail quarter in which the exchange rate effect, the Forex effect, will be noticeable, but then we believe that it will normalize over the course of the year, especially from April, where there was high volatility last year. But even at current exchange rates, however, we expect a very positive performance. Let us now turn to wholesale. We have completed the men's sales campaign, and we are approximately halfway through the women's campaign for the fall/winter 2026 collections, but we can already say that we have received very flattering feedback on both collections. We consider our order collection management to be excellent. Based on this, we expect a very strong retail quarter in which the exchange rate effect, the Forex effect, will be noticeable, but then we believe that it will normalize over the course of the year, especially from April, where there was high volatility last year. based on this we expect a very strong retail quarter in which the exchange rate effect the forex effect will be noticeable but then we believe that it will normalize over the course of the year especially from april where there was high volatility last year But even at current exchange rates, however, we expect a very positive performance. but even at current exchange rates however we expect a very positive performance Let us now turn to wholesale. let us now turn to wholesale We have completed the men's sales campaign, and we are approximately halfway through the women's campaign for the fall/winter 2026 collections, but we can already say that we have received very flattering feedback on both collections. we have completed the men's sales campaign and we are approximately halfway through the women's campaign for the fall/winter 2026 collections but we can already say that we have received very flattering feedback on both collections We consider our order collection management to be excellent. we consider our order collection management to be excellent During the meetings we had in our showrooms, we have basically restated the message from our Christmas letter to send to our 400 multi-brand clients, probably the best of the finest in the world. In that letter, we asked them to, even on the online activities, to basically try and achieve the very same nobility that their brands are recognized for in the physical brick-and-mortar world. We're very pleased that our clients have embraced this message, and we are highly confident that the wholesale channel will increasingly contribute positively to strengthening the modern and exclusive perception of our brand. The strength of the collection has allowed us to minimize the impact of this request on orders. We expect to close yet another quarter with slight growth in the wholesale channel. During the meetings we had in our showrooms, we have basically restated the message from our Christmas letter to send to our 400 multi-brand clients, probably the best of the finest in the world. during the meetings we had in our showrooms we have basically restated the message from our christmas letter to send to our 400 multi-brand clients probably the best of the finest in the world In that letter, we asked them to, even on the online activities, to basically try and achieve the very same nobility that their brands are recognized for in the physical brick-and-mortar world. in that letter we asked them to even on the online activities to basically try and achieve the very same nobility that their brands are recognized for in the physical brick-and-mortar world We're very pleased that our clients have embraced this message, and we are highly confident that the wholesale channel will increasingly contribute positively to strengthening the modern and exclusive perception of our brand. we're very pleased that our clients have embraced this message and we are highly confident that the wholesale channel will increasingly contribute positively to strengthening the modern and exclusive perception of our brand The strength of the collection has allowed us to minimize the impact of this request on orders. the strength of the collection has allowed us to minimize the impact of this request on orders We expect to close yet another quarter with slight growth in the wholesale channel. we expect to close yet another quarter with slight growth in the wholesale channel More important than the performance in the single quarter, however, is the assurance that multi-brand clients worldwide have closed a strong winter season with us and opened the summer season with sell-out levels that are even better than last year. In conclusion, the results and indications from this start to 2026 reinforce our conviction that we can experience yet another year of growth around 10%. We expect growth to be more concentrated in the retail channel and well distributed across regions, always moving towards an increasing geographic balance. Now, eight, nine minutes devoted to the main topics, and then, of course, discussion, and take your time for that. More important than the performance in the single quarter, however, is the assurance that multi-brand clients worldwide have closed a strong winter season with us and opened the summer season with sell-out levels that are even better than last year. more important than the performance in the single quarter however is the assurance that multi-brand clients worldwide have closed a strong winter season with us and opened the summer season with sell-out levels that are even better than last year In conclusion, the results and indications from this start to 2026 reinforce our conviction that we can experience yet another year of growth around 10%. in conclusion the results and indications from this start to 2026 reinforce our conviction that we can experience yet another year of growth around 10% We expect growth to be more concentrated in the retail channel and well distributed across regions, always moving towards an increasing geographic balance. we expect growth to be more concentrated in the retail channel and well distributed across regions always moving towards an increasing geographic balance Now, eight, nine minutes devoted to the main topics, and then, of course, discussion, and take your time for that. now eight nine minutes devoted to the main topics and then of course discussion and take your time for that
Speaker 2: Our fashion house accounts for 75%, and lifestyle accounts for 25%, and we are mainly a ready-to-wear brand and only 25% in, to 85% apparel and 15% accessories. This is how we want to grow, and this is how we believe we were recognized last year in London with the fashion Oscar we received last December. A clear identity in Italian men's and women's style of true luxury, great craftsmanship, quality, and exclusivity. Therefore, we must remain exclusive and also strict in our communication, especially online, as we have always tried to do. Retail accounts for 68% and wholesale, 32%, expect to drop to 30% in 2026. Our fashion house accounts for 75%, and lifestyle accounts for 25%, and we are mainly a ready-to-wear brand and only 25% in, to 85% apparel and 15% accessories. our fashion house accounts for 75% and lifestyle accounts for 25% and we are mainly a ready-to-wear brand and only 25% in to 85% apparel and 15% accessories This is how we want to grow, and this is how we believe we were recognized last year in London with the fashion Oscar we received last December. this is how we want to grow and this is how we believe we were recognized last year in london with the fashion oscar we received last december A clear identity in Italian men's and women's style of true luxury, great craftsmanship, quality, and exclusivity. a clear identity in italian men's and women's style of true luxury great craftsmanship quality and exclusivity Therefore, we must remain exclusive and also strict in our communication, especially online, as we have always tried to do. therefore we must remain exclusive and also strict in our communication especially online as we have always tried to do Retail accounts for 68% and wholesale, 32%, expect to drop to 30% in 2026. retail accounts for 68% and wholesale 32% expect to drop to 30% in 2026 We have 136 directly operated stores, few openings each year, just three or four expansions of existing stores and occasional relocations. Between 470,000 and 500,000 customers annually, with about 5% to 10% new customers added to the equation every year. We organize these events, these small-scale events worldwide, gathering about 100, 150 clients per evening. We find this format to be very important because you can speak to anybody attending. According to recent measurements, customers spend about 30, 31 minutes in our boutiques. A few years ago, it was 16 minutes, 50% men, 50% women. Casa Cucinelli are very important. We currently have nine worldwide. We will open the tenth in Shanghai in early September, and we will organize events there. Revenues per country. We have 136 directly operated stores, few openings each year, just three or four expansions of existing stores and occasional relocations. we have 136 directly operated stores few openings each year just three or four expansions of existing stores and occasional relocations Between 470,000 and 500,000 customers annually, with about 5% to 10% new customers added to the equation every year. between 470,000 and 500,000 customers annually with about 5% to 10% new customers added to the equation every year We organize these events, these small-scale events worldwide, gathering about 100, 150 clients per evening. we organize these events these small-scale events worldwide gathering about 100 150 clients per evening We find this format to be very important because you can speak to anybody attending. we find this format to be very important because you can speak to anybody attending According to recent measurements, customers spend about 30, 31 minutes in our boutiques. according to recent measurements customers spend about 30 31 minutes in our boutiques A few years ago, it was 16 minutes, 50% men, 50% women. a few years ago it was 16 minutes 50% men 50% women Casa Cucinelli are very important. casa cucinelli are very important We currently have nine worldwide. we currently have nine worldwide We will open the tenth in Shanghai in early September, and we will organize events there. we will open the tenth in shanghai in early september and we will organize events there Revenues per country. revenues per country Today, 37% North America, 35% Europe, 28% Asia, of which 13% China. Perhaps in three, five years, we expect the split to be as follows: 33% USA, 33% Europe, 33% Asia, with China possibly reaching 18%, 20%. We started late in this country, but we see great opportunities in the years ahead. Production and sustainability. We collaborate with approximately 400 SMEs, 800, 500 people, 80% of whom are located in Umbria, Tuscany, and Marche. Sustainability. Riccardo was included by TIME in the TIME 100 Climate 2025 list, as one of the most influential international leaders in climate action. We have always believed in sustainability, in environmental sustainability, avoid waste, recover everything possible. Human sustainability, meaning how much you earn. Spiritual sustainability, how you treat others. Today, 37% North America, 35% Europe, 28% Asia, of which 13% China. today 37% north america 35% europe 28% asia of which 13% china Perhaps in three, five years, we expect the split to be as follows: 33% USA, 33% Europe, 33% Asia, with China possibly reaching 18%, 20%. perhaps in three five years we expect the split to be as follows 33% usa 33% europe 33% asia with china possibly reaching 18% 20% We started late in this country, but we see great opportunities in the years ahead. we started late in this country but we see great opportunities in the years ahead Production and sustainability. production and sustainability We collaborate with approximately 400 SMEs, 800, 500 people, 80% of whom are located in Umbria, Tuscany, and Marche. we collaborate with approximately 400 smes 800 500 people 80% of whom are located in umbria tuscany and marche Sustainability. sustainability Riccardo was included by TIME in the TIME 100 Climate 2025 list, as one of the most influential international leaders in climate action. riccardo was included by time in the time 100 climate 2025 list as one of the most influential international leaders in climate action We have always believed in sustainability, in environmental sustainability, avoid waste, recover everything possible. we have always believed in sustainability in environmental sustainability avoid waste recover everything possible Human sustainability, meaning how much you earn. human sustainability meaning how much you earn Spiritual sustainability, how you treat others. spiritual sustainability how you treat others Technology-related sustainability, how long do I have to be online for business reasons? And moral sustainability, because we are a company based in Italy, that works in Italy, produces in Italy, manufactures in Italy, and striving to work for the future of our nation, and we also pay our dues here. A very important topic, in 2025, we had around 3,400 employees with approximately 250 new hires per year. Employee turnover is extremely low across the company. However, please note that we never implemented and never will implement working from home or remote working for three main reasons: Because that way, if you do remote working, there is no distinction between private and work life. Technology-related sustainability, how long do I have to be online for business reasons? technology-related sustainability how long do i have to be online for business reasons And moral sustainability, because we are a company based in Italy, that works in Italy, produces in Italy, manufactures in Italy, and striving to work for the future of our nation, and we also pay our dues here. and moral sustainability because we are a company based in italy that works in italy produces in italy manufactures in italy and striving to work for the future of our nation and we also pay our dues here A very important topic, in 2025, we had around 3,400 employees with approximately 250 new hires per year. a very important topic in 2025 we had around 3,400 employees with approximately 250 new hires per year Employee turnover is extremely low across the company. employee turnover is extremely low across the company However, please note that we never implemented and never will implement working from home or remote working for three main reasons: Because that way, if you do remote working, there is no distinction between private and work life. however please note that we never implemented and never will implement working from home or remote working for three main reasons because that way if you do remote working there is no distinction between private and work life This jeopardizes collective creativity, and especially young people learn almost nothing, and they basically come up with the idea that they will always work three days per week only. This is the reason why we decided to ban it. We have always wanted to work eight hours a day, very focused, with an hour and a half in the company restaurant. If we were to remove this more no remote working rule, turnover in company would be almost zero. This does not mean that we do not consider or hold human flexibility extremely high, which has always been a tenet of our company. We all start at eight, but if you need to, if you have a medical appointment, you can definitely take it. The vibes in the company are pretty pleasant. About prices. This jeopardizes collective creativity, and especially young people learn almost nothing, and they basically come up with the idea that they will always work three days per week only. this jeopardizes collective creativity and especially young people learn almost nothing and they basically come up with the idea that they will always work three days per week only This is the reason why we decided to ban it. this is the reason why we decided to ban it We have always wanted to work eight hours a day, very focused, with an hour and a half in the company restaurant. we have always wanted to work eight hours a day very focused with an hour and a half in the company restaurant If we were to remove this more no remote working rule, turnover in company would be almost zero. if we were to remove this more no remote working rule turnover in company would be almost zero This does not mean that we do not consider or hold human flexibility extremely high, which has always been a tenet of our company. this does not mean that we do not consider or hold human flexibility extremely high which has always been a tenet of our company We all start at eight, but if you need to, if you have a medical appointment, you can definitely take it. we all start at eight but if you need to if you have a medical appointment you can definitely take it The vibes in the company are pretty pleasant. the vibes in the company are pretty pleasant About prices. about prices The pure price increase in 2026 is around 3%. Part of this depends, even though a negligible one, depends on the new clothing industry labor contract in Italy, which was renewed in 2025 after six years of unchanged numbers. €60 a month after six years, I'm not so sure that it will be easy to recruit new labor, but we have 20,000 job applications per year. We only need 300, but you should consider that out of the 20,000, four- The pure price increase in 2026 is around 3%. the pure price increase in 2026 is around 3% Part of this depends, even though a negligible one, depends on the new clothing industry labor contract in Italy, which was renewed in 2025 after six years of unchanged numbers. €60 a month after six years, I'm not so sure that it will be easy to recruit new labor, but we have 20,000 job applications per year. part of this depends even though a negligible one depends on the new clothing industry labor contract in italy which was renewed in 2025 after six years of unchanged numbers €60 a month after six years i'm not so sure that it will be easy to recruit new labor but we have 20,000 job applications per year We only need 300, but you should consider that out of the 20,000, four- we only need 300 but you should consider that out of the 20,000 four- Thousand are willing to perform labor work, of course, high quality artisanal work. Then there are about a hundred people in the design team, twenty of whom are top level, plus myself as a coordinator. That's why you can definitely be sure that even if I was to pass away, the company would not be stuck. My time at the company is 80% devoted to product, including visual, stylist, and lifestyle. We have the academy in Solomeo for the arts and crafts, and we have a lot of confidence, thanks to that, that the value of the hamlet, Solomeo, that's very important. Every year, we welcome about thirteen to fourteen thousand visitors, including customers, friends, journalists, celebrity politicians, and I have a problem. The only person having a problem is me, because I have to dine with someone every single night. Thousand are willing to perform labor work, of course, high quality artisanal work. thousand are willing to perform labor work of course high quality artisanal work Then there are about a hundred people in the design team, twenty of whom are top level, plus myself as a coordinator. then there are about a hundred people in the design team twenty of whom are top level plus myself as a coordinator That's why you can definitely be sure that even if I was to pass away, the company would not be stuck. that's why you can definitely be sure that even if i was to pass away the company would not be stuck My time at the company is 80% devoted to product, including visual, stylist, and lifestyle. my time at the company is 80% devoted to product including visual stylist and lifestyle We have the academy in Solomeo for the arts and crafts, and we have a lot of confidence, thanks to that, that the value of the hamlet, Solomeo, that's very important. we have the academy in solomeo for the arts and crafts and we have a lot of confidence thanks to that that the value of the hamlet solomeo that's very important Every year, we welcome about thirteen to fourteen thousand visitors, including customers, friends, journalists, celebrity politicians, and I have a problem. every year we welcome about thirteen to fourteen thousand visitors including customers friends journalists celebrity politicians and i have a problem The only person having a problem is me, because I have to dine with someone every single night. the only person having a problem is me because i have to dine with someone every single night We believe that the village of Solomeo gives us, this hamlet, gives us a strong, strongly rooted identity and uniqueness, and honestly, we work daily to preserve it. A couple of minutes on Callimaco. Callimaco is based on a new concept of a website. It was launched in January. An important thing, usually people tend to stay four minutes on our website, and now they stay nine minutes, and they usually visit three times more products, and this is very important. Just let me share a couple of feedbacks, companies that are leading in the world, leading in all industries. We believe that the village of Solomeo gives us, this hamlet, gives us a strong, strongly rooted identity and uniqueness, and honestly, we work daily to preserve it. we believe that the village of solomeo gives us this hamlet gives us a strong strongly rooted identity and uniqueness and honestly we work daily to preserve it A couple of minutes on Callimaco. a couple of minutes on callimaco Callimaco is based on a new concept of a website. callimaco is based on a new concept of a website It was launched in January. it was launched in january An important thing, usually people tend to stay four minutes on our website, and now they stay nine minutes, and they usually visit three times more products, and this is very important. an important thing usually people tend to stay four minutes on our website and now they stay nine minutes and they usually visit three times more products and this is very important Just let me share a couple of feedbacks, companies that are leading in the world, leading in all industries. just let me share a couple of feedbacks companies that are leading in the world leading in all industries They said, for example, "A truly exciting turning point for digital storytelling and luxury." Or another feedback, "A clear break from the traditional rules of e-commerce, a radically innovative experience, a truly brilliant." Or, "Congratulations on this fantastic project. Congratulations on the wonderful work you've done. We would love to meet you." Groq, for example, I can disclose this name. The one that NVIDIA bought for $20 billion. Groq said that's their feedback: "Callimaco reinvents the websites and e-commerce. Solomeo AI has launched an online platform based entirely on artificial intelligence, transforming Brunello Cucinelli's e-commerce into a personalized shopping experience that reflects the attention and care typical of a luxury boutique." Another very important company says, "A true innovation that pushes the boundaries." They said, for example, "A truly exciting turning point for digital storytelling and luxury." Or another feedback, "A clear break from the traditional rules of e-commerce, a radically innovative experience, a truly brilliant." Or, "Congratulations on this fantastic project. they said for example "a truly exciting turning point for digital storytelling and luxury." or another feedback "a clear break from the traditional rules of e-commerce a radically innovative experience a truly brilliant." or "congratulations on this fantastic project Congratulations on the wonderful work you've done. congratulations on the wonderful work you've done We would love to meet you." Groq, for example, I can disclose this name. we would love to meet you." groq for example i can disclose this name The one that NVIDIA bought for $20 billion. the one that nvidia bought for $20 billion Groq said that's their feedback: "Callimaco reinvents the websites and e-commerce. groq said that's their feedback "callimaco reinvents the websites and e-commerce Solomeo AI has launched an online platform based entirely on artificial intelligence, transforming Brunello Cucinelli's e-commerce into a personalized shopping experience that reflects the attention and care typical of a luxury boutique." Another very important company says, "A true innovation that pushes the boundaries." solomeo ai has launched an online platform based entirely on artificial intelligence transforming brunello cucinelli's e-commerce into a personalized shopping experience that reflects the attention and care typical of a luxury boutique." another very important company says "a true innovation that pushes the boundaries." Highly inspiring. And then another one says, "Beautiful website that truly represents your manual work and craftsmanship." This is the feedback of 10 leading brands in the world, which wrote to us, and we like this very much. We started this project as a sort of a hobby. This is not our core business, but we reached a great success. Conclusions. We think we have great opportunities in the years ahead, provided we continue to develop contemporary collections. So first and foremost, we have to focus on products. The fall/winter 2026 men's and women's collection, the most beautiful ever, as reported. But you know, having strong collections in stores gives us a bit more peace of mind between July and December now, regardless of what happens then worldwide. We are experiencing a very positive moment for the brand image, and a brand which is Italian, artisanal, contemporary, and exclusive in terms of luxury. Highly inspiring. highly inspiring And then another one says, "Beautiful website that truly represents your manual work and craftsmanship." This is the feedback of 10 leading brands in the world, which wrote to us, and we like this very much. and then another one says "beautiful website that truly represents your manual work and craftsmanship." this is the feedback of 10 leading brands in the world which wrote to us and we like this very much We started this project as a sort of a hobby. we started this project as a sort of a hobby This is not our core business, but we reached a great success. this is not our core business but we reached a great success Conclusions. conclusions We think we have great opportunities in the years ahead, provided we continue to develop contemporary collections. we think we have great opportunities in the years ahead provided we continue to develop contemporary collections So first and foremost, we have to focus on products. so first and foremost we have to focus on products The fall/winter 2026 men's and women's collection, the most beautiful ever, as reported. the fall/winter 2026 men's and women's collection the most beautiful ever as reported But you know, having strong collections in stores gives us a bit more peace of mind between July and December now, regardless of what happens then worldwide. but you know having strong collections in stores gives us a bit more peace of mind between july and december now regardless of what happens then worldwide We are experiencing a very positive moment for the brand image, and a brand which is Italian, artisanal, contemporary, and exclusive in terms of luxury. we are experiencing a very positive moment for the brand image and a brand which is italian artisanal contemporary and exclusive in terms of luxury
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Speaker 2: Good evening. Good evening. good evening
Speaker 1: Good evening, Brunello, and thank you for taking my question. Good evening, Brunello, and thank you for taking my question. good evening brunello and thank you for taking my question
Speaker 2: We thank you. We thank you. we thank you
Speaker 1: I have a first question, which may be a bit trivial, a bit banal, but this is to better understand the guidance at constant exchange rates. You are talking about a quite heavy exchange rate with a quite heavy impact on the first part of the year. Can you give us more flavor? Are you talking about 2%? Is this going to be the impact on the full year? Is it a reasonable value? And then I have a second question. Can you summarize again the elements that lead to an improvement in the cash generation? You talked about a normalization of investment, a stable working capital. I have a first question, which may be a bit trivial, a bit banal, but this is to better understand the guidance at constant exchange rates. i have a first question which may be a bit trivial a bit banal but this is to better understand the guidance at constant exchange rates You are talking about a quite heavy exchange rate with a quite heavy impact on the first part of the year. you are talking about a quite heavy exchange rate with a quite heavy impact on the first part of the year Can you give us more flavor? can you give us more flavor Are you talking about 2%? are you talking about 2% Is this going to be the impact on the full year? is this going to be the impact on the full year Is it a reasonable value? is it a reasonable value And then I have a second question. and then i have a second question Can you summarize again the elements that lead to an improvement in the cash generation? can you summarize again the elements that lead to an improvement in the cash generation You talked about a norm alization of investment, a stable working capital. you talked about a norm alization of investment a stable working capital These seem to be the main elements for an improvement in cash generation, but this is certainly, the normalization of cash generation is certainly important for the market. If you can, please recap these elements. And the third question concerning business, I'm curious to know whether you were happy with the take up of Harrods in London, or satisfied or happy with similar initiatives. Do you think they are effective? These seem to be the main elements for an improvement in cash generation, but this is certainly, the normalization of cash generation is certainly important for the market. these seem to be the main elements for an improvement in cash generation but this is certainly the normalization of cash generation is certainly important for the market If you can, please recap these elements. if you can please recap these elements And the third question concerning business, I'm curious to know whether you were happy with the take up of Harrods in London, or satisfied or happy with similar initiatives. and the third question concerning business i'm curious to know whether you were happy with the take up of harrods in london or satisfied or happy with similar initiatives Do you think they are effective? do you think they are effective
Speaker 2: Andrea, I will answer the second question. As far as exchange rates are concerned, we estimate 1.2%, 1.5%, 1.5% to 2% for the full year. Andrea, I will answer the second question. andrea i will answer the second question As far as exchange rates are concerned, we estimate 1.2%, 1.5%, 1.5% to 2% for the full year. as far as exchange rates are concerned we estimate 1.2% 1.5% 1.5% to 2% for the full year In the Q1, we may have 4% or 5%, but from April onwards, we think it will be 1.5% for the full year. As far as the take up of Harrods is concerned, this was a beautiful success, honestly speaking. This year, I think they will celebrate the 130th anniversary, something like that. Luca will take the other answers. In the Q1, we may have 4% or 5%, but from April onwards, we think it will be 1.5% for the full year. in the q1 we may have 4% or 5% but from april onwards we think it will be 1.5% for the full year As far as the take up of Harrods is concerned, this was a beautiful success, honestly speaking. as far as the take up of harrods is concerned this was a beautiful success honestly speaking This year, I think they will celebrate the 130th anniversary, something like that. this year i think they will celebrate the 130th anniversary something like that Luca will take the other answers. luca will take the other answers
Speaker 5: First of all, we want to go back to an ordinary level of investments. In the past three years, as Brunello said, we had a very high concentration of investments. For next year, we envisage to continue with the commercial investments that are absolutely ordinary. First of all, we want to go back to an ordinary level of investments. first of all we want to go back to an ordinary level of investments In the past three years, as Brunello said, we had a very high concentration of investments. in the past three years as brunello said we had a very high concentration of investments For next year, we envisage to continue with the commercial investments that are absolutely ordinary. for next year we envisage to continue with the commercial investments that are absolutely ordinary The extraordinary part of investments are dedicated to factories will no longer be there. So please, Andrea, do not think we've dropped our investments. That's very important. Investments remain the same. Thank you, Andrea. The extraordinary part of investments are dedicated to factories will no longer be there. the extraordinary part of investments are dedicated to factories will no longer be there So please, Andrea, do not think we've dropped our investments. so please andrea do not think we've dropped our investments That's very important. that's very important Investments remain the same. investments remain the same Thank you, Andrea. thank you andrea
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thank you very much. thank you very much
Speaker 6: Next question, Oriana Cardani, Intesa Sanpaolo, please. Next question, Oriana Cardani , Intesa Sanpaolo, please. next question oriana cardani intesa sanpaolo please
Speaker 2: Yes, good evening. Yes, good evening. yes good evening
Speaker 7: Good evening, and thank you for taking my questions. I have two questions. First question about the first margin. Do you expect results for 2026 in line with the 2025 results, or do you see any potential for an increase as a percentage of revenues? And the second question is on fragrances and glasses, eyeglasses. Can you comment from a qualitative and quantitative viewpoint the performance of these two categories last year? Good evening, and thank you for taking my questions. good evening and thank you for taking my questions I have two questions. i have two questions First question about the first margin. first question about the first margin Do you expect results for 2026 in line with the 2025 results, or do you see any potential for an increase as a percentage of revenues? do you expect results for 2026 in line with the 2025 results or do you see any potential for an increase as a percentage of revenues And the second question is on fragrances and glasses, eyeglasses. and the second question is on fragrances and glasses eyeglasses Can you comment from a qualitative and quantitative viewpoint the performance of these two categories last year? can you comment from a qualitative and quantitative viewpoint the performance of these two categories last year For eyewear, are you expecting to extend the partnership with EssilorLuxottica on the smart glasses part? For eyewear, are you expecting to extend the partnership with EssilorLuxottica on the smart glasses part? for eyewear are you expecting to extend the partnership with essilorluxottica on the smart glasses part
Speaker 2: Luca will take the question on eyewear, and then as far as revenues are concerned, we expect to be in line with what we said. If we can increase that by the end of the year even further, would be even better, but that's it. As for fragrances and eyewear, they have been performing very well, especially from an image viewpoint, because we have positioned them the right way, as EssilorLuxottica said. We are very important for them, like Chanel. With Chanel, they make huge numbers, but it's in terms of research and positioning. Fragrances are very high-end, and the response rate is very high. Luca will take the question on eyewear, and then as far as revenues are concerned, we expect to be in line with what we said. luca will take the question on eyewear and then as far as revenues are concerned we expect to be in line with what we said If we can increase that by the end of the year even further, would be even better, but that's it. if we can increase that by the end of the year even further would be even better but that's it As for fragrances and eyewear, they have been performing very well, especially from an image viewpoint, because we have positioned them the right way, as EssilorLuxottica said. as for fragrances and eyewear they have been performing very well especially from an image viewpoint because we have positioned them the right way as essilorluxottica said We are very important for them, like Chanel. we are very important for them like chanel With Chanel, they make huge numbers, but it's in terms of research and positioning. with chanel they make huge numbers but it's in terms of research and positioning Fragrances are very high-end, and the response rate is very high. fragrances are very high-end and the response rate is very high Do you want to add anything on eyewear? Do you want to add anything on eyewear? do you want to add anything on eyewear
Speaker 5: Yes. This was the very target when we launched both the categories. In these new categories, we wanted to achieve the very same positioning as the one we had for in apparel, and I think we've managed to do so. As far as extension to smart glasses is concerned, for the time being, this is not in our plans, in our pipeline. However, we have a small, high-end eyewear collection in the pipeline with a gold frame. So we really want to focus on that, and these are glasses with a price ranging from €5,000 to €9,000. Going back to the previous question on first margin, the question was on the first margin and not on revenues, but nothing changes. Yes. yes This was the very target when we launched both the categories. this was the very target when we launched both the categories In these new categories, we wanted to achieve the very same positioning as the one we had for in apparel, and I think we've managed to do so. in these new categories we wanted to achieve the very same positioning as the one we had for in apparel and i think we've managed to do so As far as extension to smart glasses is concerned, for the time being, this is not in our plans, in our pipeline. as far as extension to smart glasses is concerned for the time being this is not in our plans in our pipeline However, we have a small, high-end eyewear collection in the pipeline with a gold frame. however we have a small high-end eyewear collection in the pipeline with a gold frame So we really want to focus on that, and these are glasses with a price ranging from €5,000 to €9,000. so we really want to focus on that and these are glasses with a price ranging from €5,000 to €9,000 Going back to the previous question on first margin, the question was on the first margin and not on revenues, but nothing changes. going back to the previous question on first margin the question was on the first margin and not on revenues but nothing changes
Speaker 4: The final number for 2025 is a very good reference for the results that we are planning for 2026. This doesn't mean that we do not, we're not happy if we increase by 10 or 20 basis points, but the outlook that we have can be confirmed. The final number for 2025 is a very good reference for the results that we are planning for 2026. the final number for 2025 is a very good reference for the results that we are planning for 2026 This doesn't mean that we do not, we're not happy if we increase by 10 or 20 basis points, but the outlook that we have can be confirmed. this doesn't mean that we do not we're not happy if we increase by 10 or 20 basis points but the outlook that we have can be confirmed
Speaker 6: Thank you. Next question from the conference in English, Chris Huang, UBS. Thank you. thank you Next question from the conference in English, Chris Huang , UBS. next question from the conference in english chris huang ubs
Speaker 3: Hello. Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I have three, if I may. First one, just to follow up on the gross margin. You said that 2025 is a very good reference for 2026, but I'm just curious about the actual drivers of this gross margin expansion in 2025. I think in the press release, you mentioned channel mix being one of the key drivers, but actually, channel mix wasn't that big of a difference when it comes to year over year performance. So just wondering why gross margin has been so strong in 2025, the drivers behind. Secondly, on the start of the year, I think, Luca, you provided a lot of very helpful comments on the retail channel by different regions. Hello. hello Hi, thanks for taking my questions. hi thanks for taking my questions I have three, if I may. i have three if i may First one, just to follow up on the gross margin. first one just to follow up on the gross margin You said that 2025 is a very good reference for 2026, but I'm just curious about the actual drivers of this gross margin expansion in 2025. you said that 2025 is a very good reference for 2026 but i'm just curious about the actual drivers of this gross margin expansion in 2025 I think in the press release, you mentioned channel mix being one of the key drivers, but actually, channel mix wasn't that big of a difference when it comes to year over year performance. i think in the press release you mentioned channel mix being one of the key drivers but actually channel mix wasn't that big of a difference when it comes to year over year performance So just wondering why gross margin has been so strong in 2025, the drivers behind. so just wondering why gross margin has been so strong in 2025 the drivers behind Secondly, on the start of the year, I think, Luca, you provided a lot of very helpful comments on the retail channel by different regions. secondly on the start of the year i think luca you provided a lot of very helpful comments on the retail channel by different regions It- It- it-
Speaker 2: To have new colors on the geographies, I would start from this question. As we said multiple times, we do not believe that our business is mature, and the reason being that we have new customers across all different geographies. Then as to the conversion concession Neiman Marcus, you should consider three brands, Paola. I am not talking about the Saks Global gathering together all the three brands. We see them as separate, distinct brands. We have a very balanced relationship, and then we can move on with these five doors per year. The openings are confirmed to Mexico City, Abu Dhabi, and in the first part of the year, we strengthened our network in Florida with two smaller stores and then one in Wuhan, China. To have new colors on the geographies, I would start from this question. to have new colors on the geographies i would start from this question As we said multiple times, we do not believe that our business is mature, and the reason being that we have new customers across all different geographies. as we said multiple times we do not believe that our business is mature and the reason being that we have new customers across all different geographies Then as to the conversion concession Neiman Marcus, you should consider three brands, Paola. then as to the conversion concession neiman marcus you should consider three brands paola I am not talking about the Saks Global gathering together all the three brands. i am not talking about the saks global gathering together all the three brands We see them as separate, distinct brands. we see them as separate distinct brands We have a very balanced relationship, and then we can move on with these five doors per year. we have a very balanced relationship and then we can move on with these five doors per year The openings are confirmed to Mexico City, Abu Dhabi, and in the first part of the year, we strengthened our network in Florida with two smaller stores and then one in Wuhan, China. the openings are confirmed to mexico city abu dhabi and in the first part of the year we strengthened our network in florida with two smaller stores and then one in wuhan china Expansions will play a fundamental role in 2026. In Geneva, we will expand the store in the summer, then we will expand the store in Toronto and also Plaza 66 in Shanghai. And also the opening of the Casa Cucinelli, Shanghai. I think we can close at around 140 stores, and we like this. We'd like the stores to be prime quality, the right size, and also the number. We believe in exclusivity. Expansions will play a fundamental role in 2026. expansions will play a fundamental role in 2026 In Geneva, we will expand the store in the summer, then we will expand the store in Toronto and also Plaza 66 in Shanghai. in geneva we will expand the store in the summer then we will expand the store in toronto and also plaza 66 in shanghai And also the opening of the Casa Cucinelli, Shanghai. and also the opening of the casa cucinelli shanghai I think we can close at around 140 stores, and we like this. i think we can close at around 140 stores and we like this We'd like the stores to be prime quality, the right size, and also the number. we'd like the stores to be prime quality the right size and also the number We believe in exclusivity. we believe in exclusivity
Speaker 3: Thank you, Paola. Thank you, Paola. thank you paola
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
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Speaker 1: Thank you. I have a short follow-up question. You mentioned progressive results throughout all geographies. I know that tourism doesn't play a very important role for you, but what about Japan? Considering that there are no longer Chinese tourists going to Japan, is this having an impact on your sales? Thank you. thank you I have a short follow-up question. i have a short follow-up question You mentioned progressive results throughout all geographies. you mentioned progressive results throughout all geographies I know that tourism doesn't play a very important role for you, but what about Japan? i know that tourism doesn't play a very important role for you but what about japan Considering that there are no longer Chinese tourists going to Japan, is this having an impact on your sales? considering that there are no longer chinese tourists going to japan is this having an impact on your sales
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true, but this is not new. Last year, Japan benefited much less versus 2024 from tourism. 2024 was an extraordinary year in terms of tourism. However, sales are- Yes, that's true, but this is not new. yes that's true but this is not new Last year, Japan benefited much less versus 2024 from tourism. 2024 was an extraordinary year in terms of tourism. last year japan benefited much less versus 2024 from tourism 2024 was an extraordinary year in terms of tourism However, sales are- however sales are-
Speaker 4: Chris, I have a question for you. Please call Pietro at the end of the call, so don't worry, you will get all the answers you need. So please call Pietro at the end of this call. Thank you very much. Chris, I have a question for you. chris i have a question for you Please call Pietro at the end of the call, so don't worry, you will get all the answers you need. please call pietro at the end of the call so don't worry you will get all the answers you need So please call Pietro at the end of this call. so please call pietro at the end of this call Thank you very much. thank you very much
Speaker 2: Thank you. Let me just point out one final thing. Please remember that we always focus on absolute luxury on these markets, so please consider where we are in the market, because we always say we work in the very high end of the market, in the top luxury market. That's very important. All right. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. thank you Let me just point out one final thing. let me just point out one final thing Please remember that we always focus on absolute luxury on these markets, so please consider where we are in the market, because we always say we work in the very high end of the market, in the top luxury market. please remember that we always focus on absolute luxury on these markets so please consider where we are in the market because we always say we work in the very high end of the market in the top luxury market That's very important. that's very important All right. all right So thank you very much. so thank you very much Thank you. thank you
Speaker 4: Thank you. Chris, please call Pietro. Thank you very much. Thank you. thank you Chris, please call Pietro. chris please call pietro Thank you very much. thank you very much
Speaker 2: For the people living in Milan, remember, next week we have the Fashion Week, and on Wednesday, we will also get feedback from the press on the women's collection. Thank you very much for this, because now that everything has been disclosed, we can speak freely about everything, and so we have a lot of confidence and peace of mind. Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye-bye. For the people living in Milan, remember, next week we have the Fashion Week, and on Wednesday, we will also get feedback from the press on the women's collection. for the people living in milan remember next week we have the fashion week and on wednesday we will also get feedback from the press on the women's collection Thank you very much for this, because now that everything has been disclosed, we can speak freely about everything, and so we have a lot of confidence and peace of mind. thank you very much for this because now that everything has been disclosed we can speak freely about everything and so we have a lot of confidence and peace of mind Thank you very much. thank you very much Thank you. thank you Bye-bye. bye-bye