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AEHR TEST SYSTEMS — Call Transcript 2026
Apr 7, 2026
Welcome to the Aehr Test Systems fiscal 2026 third quarter financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jim Byers of Pondel Wilkinson Investor Relations. You may begin. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Aehr Test Systems' third quarter fiscal 2026 financial results conference call. With me on today's call are Aehr Test Systems' President and Chief Executive Officer, Gayn Erickson, and Chief Financial Officer, Chris Siu. Before I turn the call over to Gayn and Chris, I'd like to cover a few quick items. This afternoon, right after market close, Aehr Test issued a press release announcing its third quarter fiscal 2026 results. That release is available on the company's website at aehr.com. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website. I'd like to remind everyone that on today's call, management will be making forward-looking statements that are based on current information and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. These factors are discussed in the company's most recent periodic and current reports filed with the SEC. These forward-looking statements, including guidance provided during today's call, are only valid as of this date, and Aehr Test Systems undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements. Now with that, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Gayn Erickson, President and CEO. Thanks, Jim. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings conference call. I'll start with an update on the key markets driving our business and strong demand we're seeing, particularly from AI and data center infrastructure. Chris will then review our financial results, and we'll open up the call for questions. We're very pleased with the strong momentum in our business across multiple market segments, highlighted by more than $37 million in quarterly bookings and a book-to-bill ratio exceeding 3.5x. Our effective backlog, which includes the backlog of $38.7 million at the end of the fiscal third quarter, plus additional bookings received since the end of the quarter, is now over $50 million, a new company record. After generating approximately $20 million in bookings in our fiscal first half, we're already 2.5x that in second half bookings and now expect to come in on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million in second half bookings I mentioned last quarter. Demand continues to accelerate across both package level and wafer level burn-in, driven by increasing semiconductor complexity, power requirements, and deployment in mission-critical AI, networking, automotive, and industrial applications. As devices become more advanced, the need for comprehensive test and burn-in is becoming essential to ensure reliability and performance. This is driving growing adoption of our solutions across multiple markets. Let me start with wafer level burn-in. During the quarter, we continued to make progress in growing our installed base and expanding to new customers with our wafer level burn-in solutions. AI wafer level burn-in is really hot right now, I guess pun intended. We received a $14 million follow-on production order from our lead wafer level AI accelerator processor customer for multiple new fully automated FOX-XP wafer level burn-in systems to be used in data center training and inference applications. The order included multiple additional FOX-XP wafer level test and burn-in systems, each configured to test nine 300 mm wafers in parallel, along with a set of Aehr's proprietary FOX WaferPak full wafer contactors and a fully integrated FOX WaferPak Auto Aligner with each system to enable hands-free operation and high volume production. In addition, the order included multiple additional FOX WaferPak Auto Aligners to upgrade the customer's existing installed base of FOX-XP systems to full automation. Aehr is the first company to successfully demonstrate and ship a wafer level burn-in solution for AI processors. Our FOX-XP systems, configured for very high power, high current AI processors, began shipping last year and provides the highest power per wafer capability available in the market, delivering up to thousands of amperes of current per wafer. This order further expands our installed base of FOX-XP systems and adds full automation across the production lines, highlighting the growing importance of wafer level burn-in to ensure the long-term reliability of today's very high power, high current AI processors. We're also actively engaged with multiple additional AI processor companies on benchmark evaluations and expect to make meaningful progress with those opportunities. Our benchmark evaluation program with a top-tier AI processor supplier continues to make good progress but has taken longer than we originally expected. This was due to a technical misunderstanding on the clock configurations, which created some challenges with the initial WaferPak designs. While we wish we'd been able to catch this earlier, we're taking device data now on their wafers with the current WaferPak design and redesigning the WaferPaks to meet the new requirements. We expect to continue to provide them with additional data on this WaferPak design, as well as the improved one over the next several months. We have several other companies, ranging from suppliers of data center-focused AI accelerator processors to edge AI processors and CPUs that are providing us with information on their devices and roadmaps and asking about our wafer level burn-in capabilities and recommendations for burn-in of their next-generation devices. There is significant interest in doing wafer level burn-in for devices that are expected to put in advanced packages, such as TSMC's CoWoS-based packages that include other dies such as HBM, DRAM stacks, other compute AI processors, and photonic or electrical-based transceiver chipsets. Weeding out bad devices before they're packed together with these other devices is significantly cheaper than the yield loss if these are burned in at package level and the entire multi-chip package is thrown away. For burn-in of silicon photonics devices, we recently announced a major new customer win, a major new silicon photonics customer with an initial order for multiple high-power FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in systems for devices aimed at the hyperscale data center optical interconnect market. This customer is developing advanced silicon photonics-based transceivers for data center networking and optical I/O applications to address the rapidly accelerating demand for high-speed fiber optic communication links in hyperscale AI and cloud data centers. These multiple systems are for both engineering qualification and high-volume production and include a FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in system configured to test nine wafers in parallel, a fully integrated WaferPak Auto Aligner, multiple FOX-NP wafer-level burn-in systems, and multiple full sets of FOX WaferPak full-wafer contactors for production, engineering, and new product introduction. These systems are all scheduled to ship in this fiscal fourth quarter, ending May 29th, 2026. They've also provided a forecast for multiple additional XP production systems over the next year as they ramp capacity to support next generation hyperscale data center deployments. We believe this win positions Aehr to participate in what could be a significant multi-year expansion of silicon photonics production, driven by the growth of fiber optic interconnects in hyperscale AI data centers. Additionally, we received a follow-on order from our lead silicon photonics customer for both a new high-power FOX-XP WaferPak system and an upgrade of an existing system to our latest high-power, fully automated configuration. We now have fully integrated our systems and aligners with their autonomous guided robots that carry around the 300 mm FOUPs so the customer can operate in a fully lights out, hands-free operation. They too, have given us a forecast for additional production systems as they ramp into next calendar year. As data center architectures scale to support AI, cloud computing, and high-performance networking, fiber optic interconnects offer significant advantages over copper wiring, including higher data rates, lower power consumption, longer reach, improved thermal performance, and reduced electromagnetic interference. These advantages are driving rapid adoption of silicon photonics transceivers across hyperscale and enterprise data centers worldwide, and increasing demand for cost-effective, production-proven burn-in solutions that can ensure device quality and long-term reliability at volume. Aehr is the market leader in wafer level burn-in for silicon photonics transceivers, with a large installed base at leading global semiconductor and photonics companies. The company’s or our FOX-XP platform enables high parallelism, high temperature, and the high power wafer level burn-in, allowing customers to stabilize their devices, a critical manufacturing process step in the laser diode emitters for these devices, as well as to identify early life failures before packaging to significantly reduce the cost of test. In gallium nitride and silicon carbide power semiconductors, we’ve been working with our lead GaN production customer on a significant number of new devices aimed at multiple markets that include automotive, [audio distortion] bus conversion, data center, and electrical infrastructure. This continues to be a great partnership, and we continue to work on and believe we have solved the key challenges with full wafer burn-in of GaN devices on silicon. Wafer level burn-in of their GaN devices for both qualification and production burn-in is an extremely valuable capability that is critical to their roadmap and plan, and we're both very excited to see them meet their growth projections. We continue to see GaN and silicon carbide power semiconductors as critical to the electrification of the world's infrastructure, in addition to key market opportunities such as data center power delivery, electric vehicles, and charging infrastructure. We won a new customer in silicon carbide this quarter with a company in Taiwan focused on the Asian and particularly greater EV market. Greater China EV market, sorry. They placed an order for a small configured FOX-XP system for qualification and production. Key elements of their decision included our ability to demonstrate all the capabilities they needed with our systems in Fremont, California, as well as the feedback they received from customers who have data and confidence in Aehr's wafer level burn-in systems used for testing and burning silicon carbide wafers across a large number of silicon carbide suppliers. We see an uptick in activity and forecast from the silicon carbide players. This makes sense as we see major OEM EV suppliers in Japan and Germany roll out a number of new EVs later this year. These EV suppliers understand the value and need for wafer level burn-in of these six devices before they're put into modules containing many devices in parallel for the EV engine drive inverters. This is well understood in the industry, and Aehr is seen as the market leader and proven solution for wafer level burn-in silicon carbide devices used in EV inverters by a significant number of EV suppliers. We're still conservative about forecasts from customers, and while we have plenty of capacity and believe we have the world's most cost-effective and highest performance wafer level burn-in solution on the market, we're not yet counting on significant revenue from this segment to return yet. However, it could still be a very good performing segment for us next year. We'll see. Now let me talk about wafer-level burn-in for memory. Our engagement with a key memory supplier continues to progress with additional wafer testing just this last week. We've been able to achieve the correlation they're asking for and are now in discussions about test system specifications needed for their next generation flash memories, and in particular, their high-bandwidth flash devices. We hope to close on this in the next few months, which would lead to a development agreement to supply systems and WaferPaks to them after a 12-18 month development of our new memory-optimized blades for our FOX-XP and NP multi-wafer test and burn-in platform. We're also now in discussions with other key memory suppliers that also produce high-bandwidth memory, the new DRAM standard being used in AI GPUs in addition to standard DRAM and flash memories. The HBM memories, as they're referred to, are embedded into multi-chip packages with advanced substrates such as the CoWoS packaging from TSMC. NVIDIA's roadmap is aggressively pushing toward higher capacity, faster HBM standards to address the memory wall in AI training and inference. The upcoming roadmap transitions from HBM3E to 4 in 2026, and then from HBM4E and HBM5 in the following years, with capacity per GPU expected to increase from 80 GB in the A100 class to over 1 TB in the Rubin Ultra by 2027 per SemiAnalysis. We are seeing the added potential for HBM insertions with our FOX multi-wafer test and burn-in system roadmap that extends to flash, High Bandwidth Flash, DRAM, and HBM memories. This is a key focus for Aehr this year, to drive to an agreement to work with these customers in the development of the enhancements needed to extend our FOX systems to these markets. This is a market that we believe could drive orders in fiscal 2027 with ramps in fiscal 2028. Now turning to package-level burn-in. Let me start by highlighting that we're trying to change our own vocabulary from package part burn-in to package-level burn-in. This may seem subtle, but to give a little background, traditionally there was one semiconductor integrated circuit per single package. The package was used to protect the die from elements and wire out to a standard pattern of pins or pads that allowed easy handling assembly onto a printed circuit board. This pattern or pitch between pins is much, much larger than the pitch on the individual die, so contacting the devices is very different for us between our package-level and wafer-level solutions. Historically, about 20 years ago, there was a package concept called multi-chip packages, where multiple individual die were wire bonded into a single package. This was driven at the time for size and performance. Typically, this was much more expensive and generally this faded out in time to other smaller package sizes. Recently, in the last handful of years, there have been three major drivers of the need for new multi-chip packages, but this has been called advanced packaging or modules rather than MCPs. One driver, which is the biggest one, is that the multi-decade long trend that was referred to as Moore's Law has come to an end. This law was the number of transistors was doubling every 1.5-2 years, while the die size was staying the same, and therefore costs were staying flat or decreasing. This allowed higher and higher performance, smaller die, and therefore lower cost die to be made via process improvements or die shrinks. This drove the industry for 40 years or so until around 2010, plus or minus, when shrinks started to slow materially. As several applications such as AI processors, extremely high-density memory such as flash and DRAM, power semiconductors, were being driven by massive markets such as data center, AI, and electric vehicles. The extremely high value and need for multiple devices in the same package came to fruition. This time it was functionality and feasibility that drove this. We now refer to these devices in two camps, really three camps, wafer level, die level, and package level, where package level includes both single die per package and also multi-chip modules or advanced package multi-die packages such as those found in AI GPUs with HBM DRAM stacks. Multi-stack flash SSDs and also multi-die silicon carbide modules for EV inverters and charging infrastructure. At least I hope this helps as we talk through this and make it more clear what the difference is between wafer level and package level. You may catch me still saying package part at times, as old habits are hard to break, but we'll try to refer to these as package level from now on. Okay. During the quarter, we announced a key production win with our lead package level hyperscale customer. This customer is a premier large-scale data center provider and selected Aehr for production burn-in of their next generation, significantly higher power AI processor with an initial production order of our high-power Sonoma systems. This next generation AI ASIC is expected to move to production later this year and is believed to be even higher volumes than the first device that this customer is ramping our Sonoma systems on right now. We also expect a significant near-term follow-on order from this customer for package level burn-in systems to support their high volume manufacturing of their custom AI processors today, the current one used in data center training and inference. They are forecasting a substantial expansion of Sonoma systems purchases beginning the second half of calendar 2026 and continuing into 2027. We believe it's likely that there is overlapping ramps between the current and next generation devices, which should significantly expand both our installed base and long-term consumable opportunity with this customer. We're also engaged with multiple potential customers for package level qualification test of AI accelerators, ASICs, network processors, and edge AI processors for automotive and robotics. These engagements also represent opportunities to move to production burn-in over time, and interestingly, about half of these have also expressed interest in wafer-level burn-in in addition to our package-level burn-in solutions. Yesterday afternoon, in fact, we received an order from a brand-new customer for Sonoma to be used for reliability qualification of their new AI processor, but they may also do production burn-in with this device, which they can do with the exact same platform using Sonoma. This momentum reinforces our leadership in high-power burn-in for AI processors. The broader demand environment remains very strong. Industry forecasts indicate that hyperscale data center capacity is expected to nearly triple by 2030, driven by both new builds and upgrades to existing infrastructure. This is driving substantial growth in high-performance semiconductors and in turn, demand for advanced burn-in solutions. As we've noted before, as our installed base of systems continues to grow, our consumables, which includes our WaferPak, full wafer contactors for wafer level, and our burn-in board and modules for package-level burn-in, can continue to grow beyond our systems. While this year has been lighter in terms of consumable sales, particularly WaferPaks, we believe it's an outlier. Some customers had bought systems ahead of the need and have grown into capacity, and this seems to be running its course. We believe over time, our consumables business will consistently be at 30% or more of our total revenue, and our margins will increase as sales of these value-add consumables grow. To support growing demand, we're continuing to scale manufacturing capacity. In addition to our Fremont expansion, this quarter we'll begin shipping Sonoma systems from one of our current contract manufacturers, adding capacity of more than 20 additional Sonoma systems per month. This meaningfully increases our ability to support future growth. With expanding AI infrastructure deployments and our recent manufacturing capacity enhancements, we believe we're well positioned to support significant growth both in our wafer-level and package-level burn-in systems as customers ramp production. With strong second half bookings so far and a strong funnel of additional orders expected this quarter, we believe we're well positioned to exit the fiscal year ending May 29th with a strong backlog and deliver significant revenue growth in fiscal 2027. We currently expect full-year fiscal 2026 revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter. We also expect our bookings for the second half of the fiscal year to be on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million range provided last quarter. More broadly, we believe we have a clear path to sustain long-term growth as our installed base expands across AI, silicon photonics, power semiconductors, memories, and other high-performance applications. As semiconductor performance and reliability requirements continue to rise, burn-in is becoming increasingly critical across a growing set of applications. We believe Aehr is uniquely positioned as the only provider offering both wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions at scale. With that, I'll turn it over to Chris. Thank you Gayn, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with bookings and backlog, then walk through our third quarter financial performance, cash position, outlook, and investor activity. The company recognized bookings of $37.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2026, significantly higher than the $6.2 million in the second quarter, as we have received multiple purchase orders for FOX systems, WaferPaks, and [audio distortion] Auto Aligners from different customers for AI, silicon photonics, and silicon carbide applications. At the end of the quarter, our backlog was $38.7 million. During the first five weeks of the fourth quarter, we received an additional $12.2 million in bookings. This increase was driven primarily by a major new silicon photonics customer for wafer-level burn-in with an initial order for multiple FOX systems for both engineering qualification and high volume production, which we recently announced. With this recent bookings, our effective backlog, which includes our quarter end backlog plus additional bookings received since the end of the third quarter, has now grown to a record of $50.9 million, providing strong visibility for the remainder of fiscal 2026 and positioning us for significant growth for fiscal 2027. Our strong bookings include increased demand for both our wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions. We believe this reflects the proven value of these differentiated solutions, which are increasingly integral to the production and reliability strategies of our customers in the AI, data center, and other key markets we serve. Turning to our Q3 performance. While we did not provide quarterly guidance, our third quarter revenue of $10.3 million was in line with internal expectations due to delayed orders. Q3 revenue was slightly below consensus and down 44% from $18.3 million prior year period. The decline was primarily driven by lower shipments of FOX systems and WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, partially offset by stronger demand for our Sonoma systems and BIMs from our hyperscale customer. Contactor revenues, which include WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, and BIMs and BIBs for our package-level burn-in business, total $3 million, representing 29% of total revenue in the third quarter. This compares to $5.9 million or 32% of revenue in Q3 last year. Non-GAAP gross margin for the third quarter was 36.5%, compared to 42.7% a year ago. The year-over-year decline reflects lower overall sales volume and a less favorable product mix, as last year's quarter included a higher proportion of high-margin WaferPak revenue. Non-GAAP operating expenses in the third quarter was $6.3 million, flat from $6.3 million in Q3 last year. We continue to invest significant resources in our AI benchmark and memory projects. During the quarter, we recorded an income tax benefit of $0.8 million, resulting in an effective tax rate of 19.9%. Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter, which excludes the impact of stock-based compensation and acquisition-related adjustments, was $1.5 million, or a loss of $0.05 per diluted share, compared to net income of $2 million or $0.07 per diluted share in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter exceeded consensus by $0.02. Turning to cash flow. We used $3.7 million in operating cash during the third quarter. We ended the quarter with $37.1 million in cash equivalents, and restricted cash, up from $31 million at the end of Q2. The increase was primarily due to proceeds from our at-the-market, or ATM equity program. During the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we raised $10.5 million in gross proceeds through the sale of about 269,000 shares. Since the end of Q3, we've raised another $19.5 million gross proceeds through the sale of about 477,000 shares. With the $9.9 million we raised in Q2, we have now fully utilized the $40 million available under the ATM and have sold over 1.13 million shares at an average price of $35.38. We also announced this afternoon that we'll be changing our fiscal year from the last Friday of May to the last Friday of June, effective after our fiscal year ends on May 29th, 2026. Our new fiscal year 2027 will begin on June 27th, 2026, and end on June 25th, 2027, continuing with the 4-4-5 calendar. As a result, we will have one month of financial results from May 30th, 2026 to June 26th, 2026, which will be reported as a transition period when we file our Form 10-Q in the first quarter ending September 25th, 2026. We believe our new fiscal year will align more closely with the reporting periods of our customers and our peers in the semiconductor test equipment industry. Moving to our outlook. For the full year fiscal 2026 ending on May 29th, 2026, we currently expect total revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter, and non-GAAP net loss per diluted share to be between -$0.13 and -$0.09 for the full fiscal year. We expect our gross margin to improve as our manufacturing activity increases to support higher sales volume and better absorb our fixed costs. We also expect to return to profitability on a non-GAAP basis in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026. Lastly, looking at the investor relations calendar, Aehr Test will be participating in two investor conferences over the next couple of months. We'll be meeting with investors at the Craig-Hallum Institutional Investor Conference taking place in Minneapolis on May 28th, and we'll be presenting a meeting with investors on June 2nd at the William Blair 46th Annual Growth Conference taking place in Chicago. We hope to see some of you at these conferences. That concludes our prepared remarks. We're now happy to take your questions. Operator, please go ahead. Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Once again, please press star one if you have a question or a comment. Our first question comes from Mark Shooter with William Blair. Please proceed. Hey, gang. Hey, Chris. You have Mark Shooter on here for Jed Dorsheimer. Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark. Congrats on all the progress, especially with the hyperscaler. I'm curious how you guys are looking at this internally and what percentage of GPUs or ASICs or XPUs do you think are burnt in today? How do you guys size the vector space? That's a really good question, and I think we're still getting our arms around it a little bit here. I would say that we've been a little bit surprised at how many devices are not yet doing production burn-in. One of the things that we mentioned strategically when we purchased Incal, what, 18 months ago or so, Intel does a type of burn-in, and they were known for it, called qualification reliability burn-in, which all processors go through. In fact, all semiconductors. It's what determines their. Lifetime reliability specs and that they will last long enough, et cetera. It's sort of a one-time deal you do with a large number of devices to do the statistics on it. Certain devices go through a screening in production to weed out infant mortalities because the failure rate is higher than the market will bear. Incal was doing this with a large number of AI customers, but actually prior to that, wasn't doing any production burn-in. When we acquired them, we've now, because of the capacity we have in terms of people and infrastructure, we've been able to capture this large hyperscaler and are engaged with multiple others. One of the things that I've been surprised at is that how many of the, I guess, particularly the ASIC suppliers, don't do production burn-in yet or are talking about doing it. That goes for a lot of different devices that are out there from edge, robotic, ASIC, network processors, and even, I want to always be careful on GPU because everybody just associates GPU only with NVIDIA, but not all devices are burned in still today. There are certain ones that are, there are certain ones that aren't. Even within a company, they may have some of their products are burned in and others aren't. However, the common theme is they're all moving to burn-in. The data is out now that there's solutions out there like Sonoma or the WaferPak for low burn-in of our FOX system that can cost-effectively do it. Now there's a very viable alternative to doing it at the system level or the rack level. We've said in the past that many of these guys would actually build it all the way to the rack, and then at the system integrator, they would burn it in for a week or two and weed out the infant mortality to ship it, or in some cases with ASIC suppliers, they just shipped it into their data centers and dealt with the fallout. It's growing. I'm trying to think if I'd try and put a percentage. I think on ASICs, it might be by unit, like SKU, I mean, I don't know if it's 20%. Maybe it's 5% of the number. Most ASICs are not burned in. I would say on the AI accelerators that are out there across the wide variety, maybe half. What's happening is the processors are getting higher power from generation to generation and breaking all the tools that are out there. Even the tools that were out there, and I'm not giving any inside information whatsoever, but just what's sort of classically understood, like NVIDIA's processors of couple generations ago compared to their current ones, their power is substantially more, which would require new tools. The ones that they're working on and others in a year and out, and again, just what's publicly available, break the current tools. There's a continuous roadmap, and so even within our Sonoma platform, we're continuing to add capabilities. It's one of the key features we have is ability to adapt it and add higher and higher current and power as you go forward. How many times you hear a CEO say you're at the early innings, but this is still at the kind of the beginning phases of this, and over time, people will be buying a lot more burn-in systems, as a percentage, meaning to cover the percentage of total and then just ensure quantity. I appreciate all the color, Dean. That's very helpful. To zero in a bit on your hyperscaler customer, can you bring us a little into the room a bit here and what was the decision process to go with package level, right? Not wafer level anymore, it's package level versus wafer level. Do you see a transition potentially with this customer to move to wafer level? If you get a new customer, do you think that they'll make the same decision or is there a track towards wafer level? Like, try to help us out with that. Okay. To be fair, two, three years ago, if you would have asked me, I've said this before, can you do wafer level burn of AI processors? I think we would have said absolutely not. We didn't have the power in the system, and the belief was that there weren't the test modes that we now understand there are to be able to do it. Now as we've gone from customer to customer across a wide variety, there's commonalities about it that allow us to be able to confidently tell them we can do wafer level burn-in. Prior to that, it was whether you did package level burn-in or nothing, or not, or did it at the, say, the rack level. People first have to decide, do I do burn-in? Then they're going to default to thinking I'm going to do it at the package level. What we're seeing, and I mentioned this before, we have customers. I don't want to get too carried away here, but the last two customers that were in the last two weeks, Alberto is our package level burn-in VP, and Vernon really runs kind of the wafer level side of things. The customer will come in and say, "I want to talk about package level." About halfway through the tour, they're like, "What is that?" We talk about wafer level, and they're like, "Whoa, how do I do that?" We kind of joke about it around here. It's like. But the reality is, we don't care which side you go to, we have both. Specifically on the hyperscaler, and I've said this out loud before, the first device they ran with us, it's not their first device, but it's the first one they went to production on, is on Sonoma. Their second device, they just awarded us with production for that one and are planning the ramp of that with us right now. They're already on the roadmap talking about the third device, and they've asked us about the DFT to specifically put into the third device because they would like to consider that for wafer level on our FOX systems. I think that's sort of a progression that we will see, and I would actually imagine large customers that have multiple different product lines, some they would do wafer level on, and some they might do package level on. It becomes particularly valuable when you have a package that has multiple processors in it, and all the HBM memory. In those particular ones, I mean the CoWoS substrate is more expensive than the silicon itself of the processor, which sounds crazy. They would be very interested in doing the wafer level to screen out the die before they have to throw away everything else. So I think there's a progression over time where people will move towards wafer level on the things they can, default to package level where they can't. It's really helpful. Thank you, Gayn. Thanks, Mark. The next question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed. Christian. Hey, Gayn. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for tremendous amount of detail regarding the different target markets and your success in each one of them. The most common question that I receive is there a way to gauge, over a multi-year timeframe, obviously, you gave guidance for this year in support of substantial growth the following year with bookings in hand and others to come. Have you had enough time to give some thought to the range of potential outcomes over a multi-year timeframe, that you guys could do in combination of your target markets and in potential entry into the memory market down the road? So the short answer is, we have. The long answer is, we're just really cautious about trying to get too carried away with our projections. But the numbers are very significant. Particularly now that there's some [audio distortion] with memory, kind of angle on this thing, too. If you look at the dollar spend that people are going to do on whether you call it compute or AI or. If you look at the compute capability that are going into training and inference in data centers, inference in edge, automotive, robotics, the number of different applications and the way people are using it and deploying it, the amount of silicon wafers is staggering. Why people talk about these enormous dollars. Those devices, a processor, has always been burnt in. It feels like I'm contradicting what I said earlier. It's widely known that Intel and AMD, the primary processor suppliers of the world, burned in every one of their processors and always have. When the first GPUs were coming out, those were using graphics, they were not burnt in. The initial people that are all related to AI are foundries, and they're out looking for burn-in capability. There were no burn-in systems in the foundry OSAT models. People weren't spending on it. They spend enormous amounts of money on test, and it's growing, and they're going to be spending a significant portion of their test budget on burn-in going forward. I hear it constantly from the customers rotating through. The TAMs are multi-hundreds of millions of dollars for package level burn-in. Wafer level burn-in, if you say it displaces package level, is even higher. The average actual price per unit time of wafer level is actually more expensive than package level. The yield pays for all of it. It's cheaper to the customer to spend more money, and so the TAMs are larger there. If you look at the memory side of things, if you look at the memory spend of the number of fabs that are coming out in the next five years, what percentage of budget is for their test budget, these are big numbers. The spend in burn-in probably total spend measured in multiple billions of dollars per year in the next couple of years on an annual basis. The question is, well, then, wait a minute. How come you guys aren't $500 million? The answer is, we think that we have a very good opportunity to significantly grow our package level and wafer level business across the biggest segments that are driving burn-in. One of the reasons we're leading with putting infrastructure and capacity in place to be able to have the conversations we're having with these customers, they're throwing out some really big numbers. Somebody, they're going to warn me, you're getting carried away here, but it's an awesome place to be, and it's not only silicon carbide for EVs where lots of people are wondering if the EVs are ever going to make it. As you guys know the history, it's like people got ahead of themselves, and I was even saying it. It's like, come on, you guys. We're not all going to be driving EVs. The TAMs in these segments are significantly larger than anything we ever talked about on the power semiconductor side. Great. That gives me enough to work with. No other questions. Thanks, Gayn. Thanks, Christian. Thank you. The next question comes from Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please proceed, Max. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I want to start out here. We look at the demand environment from the package level and wafer level. Demand seems strong on both sides of the business here, but to me, it looks like wafer level is outpacing on the demand side and maybe the order side. Can you let me know if I'm wrong there? Anything else you can add as well? The challenge with our business, and for all of our shareholders, is we know how to be lumpy. By having more markets and more customers, it can make it less lumpy. The ASP of a production order, a set, in wafer level burn-in, can be $10 million-$20 million in an order, let's say. Okay? Package level can be that big or bigger, too. Okay? When they come in, it looks like, oh, right now we see demand on both significant. Now, the engagement and the work to get a wafer level burn-in is definitely harder than package level. The obvious reason is, in many cases, we're already testing the part for the qual on our tool. So now they have to just say, "Oh, I need to buy a whole bunch of them and add automation and go to production." Does that make sense? On wafer level, what we've found is that there's a learning process, by both sides a little bit, but to understand how they can use our tool to be able to test their part. In some cases, they're like, "Okay, I know if I just did this, it would make it a lot easier, but it's too late. I already taped out this part." That would be an example of this benchmark I'm in right now. It's like they're having to use some little fancier WaferPak to do it. If they just did some specific DFT, they could use a very simple WaferPak, the same WaferPak we're using for silicon photonics or silicon carbide and some of these others. Their vocabulary with us is, "Oh, I'll be able to do that for the next gen. Can you just work around it with the current one?" Well, that's kind of harder. The other one, as I mentioned, I don't want to get a little too carried away. I get pretty techy on these things, but we had a miscommunication on the clocks, which is something really simple, candidly. If you do them wrong, it doesn't work. We've had to jury-rig some stuff to actually get it to work, and we're going to spin it to make it work. Nobody's freaking out about it because this isn't rocket science, but it would be something we would never mess up again with that customer because we now both have the same vocabulary. Second one is always easier. There's a little bit more startup thing with the wafer level burn-in. If you're technically astute and engaged and you look at it, you're not going, "Oh, this isn't going to work." You just go, "Okay, gosh, that's too bad. Okay, now let's keep going." There's a learning process. We're getting faster at it. I think over time, wafer level burn-in, like the silicon carbide or the silicon photonics customer we won this last quarter, it was just, yes. There was no on-wafer benchmark. It went from, "Can you do it?" to, "How fast can you deliver?" Okay? I think that is a natural progression. You'll see it in our package level, and you'll see it in our wafer level over time, where customers will engage, they'll know we can do it, and they'll just say, "Let's go." [audio distortion]? No. Perfect. Thank you. That's it for me. Thank you. Thanks, Max. Thank you. Once again, if you have a question or a comment, please press star one. The next question comes from Larry Chlebina with Chlebina Capital. Please proceed. Hi, Gayn. Your contract manufacturer that you're starting up, when does that start, and when will it be fully capable of doing your 20 Sonomas a month? They're in the process of building the first batch. I would say is the best way of looking at it. It's a little more complicated than the way I described, but there's actually two contract manufacturers together, and then one feeds into the other one. The one that feeds into the other one did their prototypes. They sent it to us. We were going through a kind of an acceptance process to validate it, to work out any kinks. Then those go to the other contract manufacturer for final system integration and shipping. The other one is when we were out there. We visited them last September, I think. We did kind of an audit of facility power infrastructure and cleanliness, and they did a kind of a remodel similar to ours, if people have seen it. It's all white and fancy, clean floors, more clean room space so that we can actually build these things in a clean room area. They had facilities. They were doing some stuff for solar, as it turns out. We were able to leverage from that. That is in place now, and we think first products would be ready to ship to customers this quarter, through May. What we want to make sure is they're ready to go by late summer, when we see this Sonoma ramp hitting. Right. That was the root of my question. Are you keeping any capacity? Are you planning on producing those systems in Fremont as well? Or is it? Oh, yes, for sure. This is in addition to. We've kind of talked about a 20 system per month capacity here from an infrastructure and footprint perspective. We'd actually still need to hire some more people, maybe take on a shift. We'll use that facility for large volume orders of the same SKU, if you will, make it simple, and then we'll continue to make Sonoma systems here, and all of the XPs will be built out of here, all the FOX products. Great. Did I hear you say that your first expected XP sales to an HBM customer will be this calendar year or next fiscal year, 2027? Yeah, I didn't quite say anything. I was a little more elusive than that on purpose. What I will tell you is that we have identified some interesting opportunities with HBM, probably the new 4E, that it has some interesting challenges that people would really like to do this wafer-level burn-in on. Between our FOX system as it stands and the roadmap that we've been working on, as people know, with a team of people here for a memory extension to the FOX system to add what we would call channel modules into the FOX that make it memory-focused, we think that there's some real overlap there. That just, as you know, Larry, you follow this a lot, that's an uptick. Okay? I thought HBM. Yeah. I kind of passed flash. I would. It is in parallel with flash now. I would say that would be an uptick. Yep, I agree. Yeah. A little bit of an uptick. An order would be a good uptick. I'll agree with you, but right now I'm excited about the discussions. Yep. The flash engagement, do you think that'll bear fruit on the enterprise side here shortly, before HBF gets underway, the effort that you're going to have on that front? That's a good question. I think it really is up to the customer. Kind of the timing of what we would build would be something that would be a superset that could do both. Yes, if HBF were delayed a little bit, maybe we would intercept their standard product. They've asked us to build it. The definition discussion has been to do both. In some ways, HBF is easier, okay? Because if you start saying it's all flash, a lot of times what happens is people say, "Well, I want to be able to test everything I've ever had before." Then as the interfaces evolve, they tend to converge in voltages and speed or whatever. If you say, "Well, I want legacy," it's like, well, okay, I've got to support this old voltage or something on a device you don't make anymore. Part of the challenge for us is to try and kind of converge on what do you really need going forward? Where are you going to spend the money? They'll probably never buy a system for legacy products from us in general. I think that's one of the challenges we get to work through. Well, that's all I had. Boy, you got a lot of irons in the fire. It is. Besides. It is so much fun, you guys. I'm telling you. Yeah. Vernon and Alberto and the R&D teams and poor Nick and our WaferPak team is very busy right now. We're doing some things to offload that, adding additional resources. We're hiring. Anybody looking for a great job with a company that's growing, let us know. We've got a lot of recs out there, and we're looking for great people. So it's a. It sounds like it is a lot of fun, and congratulations. I know you've been working at it for a good while to get to this point. Thanks, Larry. Take care. Thank you. Once again, if you have a question or a comment, please indicate so by pressing star one on your touch-tone phone. All right, operator, if there's no other questions, we'll end on that really happy note. As always, if you guys have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us. If you happen to be in the Bay Area and want to try and stop by, we're always happy to give a short tour to key investors and things like that. We look forward to a great quarter and talking to you next quarter, I guess, with our new fiscal year. Now, our quarterly earnings will be the same time the next time, and then there'll be, I guess, a one-month. [audio distortion]. something like that, but should work out. This will be a good thing for our customers, which honestly, that's the key to all of this. All right. Thank you very much, folks. Bye-bye. Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
Speaker 8: Welcome to the Aehr Test Systems fiscal 2026 third quarter financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jim Byers of Pondel Wilkinson Investor Relations. You may begin. Welcome to the Aehr Test Systems fiscal 2026 third quarter financial results conference call. welcome to the aehr test systems fiscal 2026 third quarter financial results conference call At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. at this time all participants are in a listen-only mode A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. a question and answer session will follow the formal presentation If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. if anyone should require operator assistance during the conference please press star zero on your telephone keypad Please note this conference is being recorded. please note this conference is being recorded I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jim Byers of Pondel Wilkinson Investor Relations. i will now turn the conference over to your host jim byers of pondel wilkinson investor relations You may begin. you may begin
Speaker 4: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Aehr Test Systems' third quarter fiscal 2026 financial results conference call. With me on today's call are Aehr Test Systems' President and Chief Executive Officer, Gayn Erickson, and Chief Financial Officer, Chris Siu. Before I turn the call over to Gayn and Chris, I'd like to cover a few quick items. This afternoon, right after market close, Aehr Test issued a press release announcing its third quarter fiscal 2026 results. That release is available on the company's website at aehr.com. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website. Thank you, operator. thank you operator Good afternoon, and welcome to Aehr Test Systems' third quarter fiscal 2026 financial results conference call. good afternoon and welcome to aehr test systems' third quarter fiscal 2026 financial results conference call With me on today's call are Aehr Test Systems' President and Chief Executive Officer, Gayn Erickson, and Chief Financial Officer, Chris Siu. with me on today's call are aehr test systems' president and chief executive officer gayn erickson and chief financial officer chris siu Before I turn the call over to Gayn and Chris, I'd like to cover a few quick items. before i turn the call over to gayn and chris i'd like to cover a few quick items This afternoon, right after market close, Aehr Test issued a press release announcing its third quarter fiscal 2026 results. this afternoon right after market close aehr test issued a press release announcing its third quarter fiscal 2026 results That release is available on the company's website at aehr.com. that release is available on the company's website at aehr.com This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website. this call is being broadcast live over the internet for all interested parties and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website I'd like to remind everyone that on today's call, management will be making forward-looking statements that are based on current information and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. These factors are discussed in the company's most recent periodic and current reports filed with the SEC. These forward-looking statements, including guidance provided during today's call, are only valid as of this date, and Aehr Test Systems undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements. Now with that, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Gayn Erickson, President and CEO. I'd like to remind everyone that on today's call, management will be making forward-looking statements that are based on current information and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. i'd like to remind everyone that on today's call management will be making forward-looking statements that are based on current information and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements These factors are discussed in the company's most recent periodic and current reports filed with the SEC. these factors are discussed in the company's most recent periodic and current reports filed with the sec These forward-looking statements, including guidance provided during today's call, are only valid as of this date, and Aehr Test Systems undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements. these forward-looking statements including guidance provided during today's call are only valid as of this date and aehr test systems undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements Now with that, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Gayn Erickson, President and CEO. now with that i'd like to turn the conference call over to gayn erickson president and ceo
Speaker 3: Thanks, Jim. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings conference call. I'll start with an update on the key markets driving our business and strong demand we're seeing, particularly from AI and data center infrastructure. Chris will then review our financial results, and we'll open up the call for questions. We're very pleased with the strong momentum in our business across multiple market segments, highlighted by more than $37 million in quarterly bookings and a book-to-bill ratio exceeding 3.5x. Our effective backlog, which includes the backlog of $38.7 million at the end of the fiscal third quarter, plus additional bookings received since the end of the quarter, is now over $50 million, a new company record. Thanks, Jim. thanks jim Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings conference call. good afternoon everyone and welcome to our third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings conference call I'll start with an update on the key markets driving our business and strong demand we're seeing, particularly from AI and data center infrastructure. i'll start with an update on the key markets driving our business and strong demand we're seeing particularly from ai and data center infrastructure Chris will then review our financial results, and we'll open up the call for questions. chris will then review our financial results and we'll open up the call for questions We're very pleased with the strong momentum in our business across multiple market segments, highlighted by more than $37 million in quarterly bookings and a book-to-bill ratio exceeding 3.5x. we're very pleased with the strong momentum in our business across multiple market segments highlighted by more than $37 million in quarterly bookings and a book-to-bill ratio exceeding 3.5x Our effective backlog, which includes the backlog of $38.7 million at the end of the fiscal third quarter, plus additional bookings received since the end of the quarter, is now over $50 million, a new company record. our effective backlog which includes the backlog of $38.7 million at the end of the fiscal third quarter plus additional bookings received since the end of the quarter is now over $50 million a new company record After generating approximately $20 million in bookings in our fiscal first half, we're already 2.5x that in second half bookings and now expect to come in on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million in second half bookings I mentioned last quarter. Demand continues to accelerate across both package level and wafer level burn-in, driven by increasing semiconductor complexity, power requirements, and deployment in mission-critical AI, networking, automotive, and industrial applications. As devices become more advanced, the need for comprehensive test and burn-in is becoming essential to ensure reliability and performance. This is driving growing adoption of our solutions across multiple markets. Let me start with wafer level burn-in. During the quarter, we continued to make progress in growing our installed base and expanding to new customers with our wafer level burn-in solutions. After generating approximately $20 million in bookings in our fiscal first half, we're already 2.5x that in second half bookings and now expect to come in on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million in second half bookings I mentioned last quarter. after generating approximately $20 million in bookings in our fiscal first half we're already 2.5x that in second half bookings and now expect to come in on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million in second half bookings i mentioned last quarter Demand continues to accelerate across both package level and wafer level burn-in, driven by increasing semiconductor complexity, power requirements, and deployment in mission-critical AI, networking, automotive, and industrial applications. demand continues to accelerate across both package level and wafer level burn-in driven by increasing semiconductor complexity power requirements and deployment in mission-critical ai networking automotive and industrial applications As devices become more advanced, the need for comprehensive test and burn-in is becoming essential to ensure reliability and performance. as devices become more advanced the need for comprehensive test and burn-in is becoming essential to ensure reliability and performance This is driving growing adoption of our solutions across multiple markets. this is driving growing adoption of our solutions across multiple markets Let me start with wafer level burn-in. let me start with wafer level burn-in During the quarter, we continued to make progress in growing our installed base and expanding to new customers with our wafer level burn-in solutions. during the quarter we continued to make progress in growing our installed base and expanding to new customers with our wafer level burn-in solutions AI wafer level burn-in is really hot right now, I guess pun intended. We received a $14 million follow-on production order from our lead wafer level AI accelerator processor customer for multiple new fully automated FOX-XP wafer level burn-in systems to be used in data center training and inference applications. The order included multiple additional FOX-XP wafer level test and burn-in systems, each configured to test nine 300 mm wafers in parallel, along with a set of Aehr's proprietary FOX WaferPak full wafer contactors and a fully integrated FOX WaferPak Auto Aligner with each system to enable hands-free operation and high volume production. In addition, the order included multiple additional FOX WaferPak Auto Aligners to upgrade the customer's existing installed base of FOX-XP systems to full automation. AI wafer level burn-in is really hot right now, I guess pun intended. ai wafer level burn-in is really hot right now i guess pun intended We received a $14 million follow-on production order from our lead wafer level AI accelerator processor customer for multiple new fully automated FOX-XP wafer level burn-in systems to be used in data center training and inference applications. we received a $14 million follow-on production order from our lead wafer level ai accelerator processor customer for multiple new fully automated fox-xp wafer level burn-in systems to be used in data center training and inference applications The order included multiple additional FOX-XP wafer level test and burn-in systems, each configured to test nine 300 mm wafers in parallel, along with a set of Aehr's proprietary FOX WaferPak full wafer contactors and a fully integrated FOX WaferPak Auto Aligner with each system to enable hands-free operation and high volume production. the order included multiple additional fox-xp wafer level test and burn-in systems each configured to test nine 300 mm wafers in parallel along with a set of aehr's proprietary fox waferpak full wafer contactors and a fully integrated fox waferpak auto aligner with each system to enable hands-free operation and high volume production In addition, the order included multiple additional FOX WaferPak Auto Aligners to upgrade the customer's existing installed base of FOX-XP systems to full automation. in addition the order included multiple additional fox waferpak auto aligners to upgrade the customer's existing installed base of fox-xp systems to full automation Aehr is the first company to successfully demonstrate and ship a wafer level burn-in solution for AI processors. Our FOX-XP systems, configured for very high power, high current AI processors, began shipping last year and provides the highest power per wafer capability available in the market, delivering up to thousands of amperes of current per wafer. This order further expands our installed base of FOX-XP systems and adds full automation across the production lines, highlighting the growing importance of wafer level burn-in to ensure the long-term reliability of today's very high power, high current AI processors. We're also actively engaged with multiple additional AI processor companies on benchmark evaluations and expect to make meaningful progress with those opportunities. Our benchmark evaluation program with a top-tier AI processor supplier continues to make good progress but has taken longer than we originally expected. Aehr is the first company to successfully demonstrate and ship a wafer level burn-in solution for AI processors. aehr is the first company to successfully demonstrate and ship a wafer level burn-in solution for ai processors Our FOX-XP systems, configured for very high power, high current AI processors, began shipping last year and provides the highest power per wafer capability available in the market, delivering up to thousands of amperes of current per wafer. our fox-xp systems configured for very high power high current ai processors began shipping last year and provides the highest power per wafer capability available in the market delivering up to thousands of amperes of current per wafer This order further expands our installed base of FOX-XP systems and adds full automation across the production lines, highlighting the growing importance of wafer level burn-in to ensure the long-term reliability of today's very high power, high current AI processors. this order further expands our installed base of fox-xp systems and adds full automation across the production lines highlighting the growing importance of wafer level burn-in to ensure the long-term reliability of today's very high power high current ai processors We're also actively engaged with multiple additional AI processor companies on benchmark evaluations and expect to make meaningful progress with those opportunities. we're also actively engaged with multiple additional ai processor companies on benchmark evaluations and expect to make meaningful progress with those opportunities Our benchmark evaluation program with a top-tier AI processor supplier continues to make good progress but has taken longer than we originally expected. our benchmark evaluation program with a top-tier ai processor supplier continues to make good progress but has taken longer than we originally expected This was due to a technical misunderstanding on the clock configurations, which created some challenges with the initial WaferPak designs. While we wish we'd been able to catch this earlier, we're taking device data now on their wafers with the current WaferPak design and redesigning the WaferPaks to meet the new requirements. We expect to continue to provide them with additional data on this WaferPak design, as well as the improved one over the next several months. This was due to a technical misunderstanding on the clock configurations, which created some challenges with the initial WaferPak designs. this was due to a technical misunderstanding on the clock configurations which created some challenges with the initial waferpak designs While we wish we'd been able to catch this earlier, we're taking device data now on their wafers with the current WaferPak design and redesigning the WaferPaks to meet the new requirements. while we wish we'd been able to catch this earlier we're taking device data now on their wafers with the current waferpak design and redesigning the waferpaks to meet the new requirements We expect to continue to provide them with additional data on this WaferPak design, as well as the improved one over the next several months. we expect to continue to provide them with additional data on this waferpak design as well as the improved one over the next several months We have several other companies, ranging from suppliers of data center-focused AI accelerator processors to edge AI processors and CPUs that are providing us with information on their devices and roadmaps and asking about our wafer level burn-in capabilities and recommendations for burn-in of their next-generation devices. There is significant interest in doing wafer level burn-in for devices that are expected to put in advanced packages, such as TSMC's CoWoS-based packages that include other dies such as HBM, DRAM stacks, other compute AI processors, and photonic or electrical-based transceiver chipsets. Weeding out bad devices before they're packed together with these other devices is significantly cheaper than the yield loss if these are burned in at package level and the entire multi-chip package is thrown away. We have several other companies, ranging from suppliers of data center-focused AI accelerator processors to edge AI processors and CPUs that are providing us with information on their devices and roadmaps and asking about our wafer level burn-in capabilities and recommendations for burn-in of their next-generation devices. There is significant interest in doing wafer level burn-in for devices that are expected to put in advanced packages, such as TSMC's CoWoS-based packages that include other dies such as HBM, DRAM stacks, other compute AI processors, and photonic or electrical-based transceiver chipsets. we have several other companies ranging from suppliers of data center-focused ai accelerator processors to edge ai processors and cpus that are providing us with information on their devices and roadmaps and asking about our wafer level burn-in capabilities and recommendations for burn-in of their next-generation devices. there is significant interest in doing wafer level burn-in for devices that are expected to put in advanced packages such as tsmc's cowos-based packages that include other dies such as hbm dram stacks other compute ai processors and photonic or electrical-based transceiver chipsets Weeding out bad devices before they're packed together with these other devices is significantly cheaper than the yield loss if these are burned in at package level and the entire multi-chip package is thrown away. weeding out bad devices before they're packed together with these other devices is significantly cheaper than the yield loss if these are burned in at package level and the entire multi-chip package is thrown away For burn-in of silicon photonics devices, we recently announced a major new customer win, a major new silicon photonics customer with an initial order for multiple high-power FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in systems for devices aimed at the hyperscale data center optical interconnect market. This customer is developing advanced silicon photonics-based transceivers for data center networking and optical I/O applications to address the rapidly accelerating demand for high-speed fiber optic communication links in hyperscale AI and cloud data centers. These multiple systems are for both engineering qualification and high-volume production and include a FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in system configured to test nine wafers in parallel, a fully integrated WaferPak Auto Aligner, multiple FOX-NP wafer-level burn-in systems, and multiple full sets of FOX WaferPak full-wafer contactors for production, engineering, and new product introduction. For burn-in of silicon photonics devices, we recently announced a major new customer win, a major new silicon photonics customer with an initial order for multiple high-power FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in systems for devices aimed at the hyperscale data center optical interconnect market. for burn-in of silicon photonics devices we recently announced a major new customer win a major new silicon photonics customer with an initial order for multiple high-power fox-xp wafer-level burn-in systems for devices aimed at the hyperscale data center optical interconnect market This customer is developing advanced silicon photonics-based transceivers for data center networking and optical I/O applications to address the rapidly accelerating demand for high-speed fiber optic communication links in hyperscale AI and cloud data centers. this customer is developing advanced silicon photonics-based transceivers for data center networking and optical i/o applications to address the rapidly accelerating demand for high-speed fiber optic communication links in hyperscale ai and cloud data centers These multiple systems are for both engineering qualification and high-volume production and include a FOX-XP wafer-level burn-in system configured to test nine wafers in parallel, a fully integrated WaferPak Auto Aligner, multiple FOX-NP wafer-level burn-in systems, and multiple full sets of FOX WaferPak full-wafer contactors for production, engineering, and new product introduction. these multiple systems are for both engineering qualification and high-volume production and include a fox-xp wafer-level burn-in system configured to test nine wafers in parallel a fully integrated waferpak auto aligner multiple fox-np wafer-level burn-in systems and multiple full sets of fox waferpak full-wafer contactors for production engineering and new product introduction These systems are all scheduled to ship in this fiscal fourth quarter, ending May 29th, 2026. They've also provided a forecast for multiple additional XP production systems over the next year as they ramp capacity to support next generation hyperscale data center deployments. We believe this win positions Aehr to participate in what could be a significant multi-year expansion of silicon photonics production, driven by the growth of fiber optic interconnects in hyperscale AI data centers. Additionally, we received a follow-on order from our lead silicon photonics customer for both a new high-power FOX-XP WaferPak system and an upgrade of an existing system to our latest high-power, fully automated configuration. We now have fully integrated our systems and aligners with their autonomous guided robots that carry around the 300 mm FOUPs so the customer can operate in a fully lights out, hands-free operation. These systems are all scheduled to ship in this fiscal fourth quarter, ending May 29th, 2026. these systems are all scheduled to ship in this fiscal fourth quarter ending may 29th 2026 They've also provided a forecast for multiple additional XP production systems over the next year as they ramp capacity to support next generation hyperscale data center deployments. they've also provided a forecast for multiple additional xp production systems over the next year as they ramp capacity to support next generation hyperscale data center deployments We believe this win positions Aehr to participate in what could be a significant multi-year expansion of silicon photonics production, driven by the growth of fiber optic interconnects in hyperscale AI data centers. we believe this win positions aehr to participate in what could be a significant multi-year expansion of silicon photonics production driven by the growth of fiber optic interconnects in hyperscale ai data centers Additionally, we received a follow-on order from our lead silicon photonics customer for both a new high-power FOX-XP WaferPak system and an upgrade of an existing system to our latest high-power, fully automated configuration. additionally we received a follow-on order from our lead silicon photonics customer for both a new high-power fox-xp waferpak system and an upgrade of an existing system to our latest high-power fully automated configuration We now have fully integrated our systems and aligners with their autonomous guided robots that carry around the 300 mm FOUPs so the customer can operate in a fully lights out, hands-free operation. we now have fully integrated our systems and aligners with their autonomous guided robots that carry around the 300 mm foups so the customer can operate in a fully lights out hands-free operation They too, have given us a forecast for additional production systems as they ramp into next calendar year. As data center architectures scale to support AI, cloud computing, and high-performance networking, fiber optic interconnects offer significant advantages over copper wiring, including higher data rates, lower power consumption, longer reach, improved thermal performance, and reduced electromagnetic interference. These advantages are driving rapid adoption of silicon photonics transceivers across hyperscale and enterprise data centers worldwide, and increasing demand for cost-effective, production-proven burn-in solutions that can ensure device quality and long-term reliability at volume. Aehr is the market leader in wafer level burn-in for silicon photonics transceivers, with a large installed base at leading global semiconductor and photonics companies. They too, have given us a forecast for additional production systems as they ramp into next calendar year. they too have given us a forecast for additional production systems as they ramp into next calendar year As data center architectures scale to support AI, cloud computing, and high-performance networking, fiber optic interconnects offer significant advantages over copper wiring, including higher data rates, lower power consumption, longer reach, improved thermal performance, and reduced electromagnetic interference. as data center architectures scale to support ai cloud computing and high-performance networking fiber optic interconnects offer significant advantages over copper wiring including higher data rates lower power consumption longer reach improved thermal performance and reduced electromagnetic interference These advantages are driving rapid adoption of silicon photonics transceivers across hyperscale and enterprise data centers worldwide, and increasing demand for cost-effective, production-proven burn-in solutions that can ensure device quality and long-term reliability at volume. these advantages are driving rapid adoption of silicon photonics transceivers across hyperscale and enterprise data centers worldwide and increasing demand for cost-effective production-proven burn-in solutions that can ensure device quality and long-term reliability at volume Aehr is the market leader in wafer level burn-in for silicon photonics transceivers, with a large installed base at leading global semiconductor and photonics companies. aehr is the market leader in wafer level burn-in for silicon photonics transceivers with a large installed base at leading global semiconductor and photonics companies The company’s or our FOX-XP platform enables high parallelism, high temperature, and the high power wafer level burn-in, allowing customers to stabilize their devices, a critical manufacturing process step in the laser diode emitters for these devices, as well as to identify early life failures before packaging to significantly reduce the cost of test. In gallium nitride and silicon carbide power semiconductors, we’ve been working with our lead GaN production customer on a significant number of new devices aimed at multiple markets that include automotive, [audio distortion] bus conversion, data center, and electrical infrastructure. This continues to be a great partnership, and we continue to work on and believe we have solved the key challenges with full wafer burn-in of GaN devices on silicon. The company’s or our FOX-XP platform enables high parallelism, high temperature, and the high power wafer level burn-in, allowing customers to stabilize their devices, a critical manufacturing process step in the laser diode emitters for these devices, as well as to identify early life failures before packaging to significantly reduce the cost of test. the company’s or our fox-xp platform enables high parallelism high temperature and the high power wafer level burn-in allowing customers to stabilize their devices a critical manufacturing process step in the laser diode emitters for these devices as well as to identify early life failures before packaging to significantly reduce the cost of test In gallium nitride and silicon carbide power semiconductors, we’ve been working with our lead GaN production customer on a significant number of new devices aimed at multiple markets that include automotive, [audio distortion] bus conversion, data center, and electrical infrastructure. in gallium nitride and silicon carbide power semiconductors we’ve been working with our lead gan production customer on a significant number of new devices aimed at multiple markets that include automotive [audio distortion] bus conversion data center and electrical infrastructure This continues to be a great partnership, and we continue to work on and believe we have solved the key challenges with full wafer burn-in of GaN devices on silicon. this continues to be a great partnership and we continue to work on and believe we have solved the key challenges with full wafer burn-in of gan devices on silicon Wafer level burn-in of their GaN devices for both qualification and production burn-in is an extremely valuable capability that is critical to their roadmap and plan, and we're both very excited to see them meet their growth projections. We continue to see GaN and silicon carbide power semiconductors as critical to the electrification of the world's infrastructure, in addition to key market opportunities such as data center power delivery, electric vehicles, and charging infrastructure. We won a new customer in silicon carbide this quarter with a company in Taiwan focused on the Asian and particularly greater EV market. Greater China EV market, sorry. They placed an order for a small configured FOX-XP system for qualification and production. Wafer level burn-in of their GaN devices for both qualification and production burn-in is an extremely valuable capability that is critical to their roadmap and plan, and we're both very excited to see them meet their growth projections. wafer level burn-in of their gan devices for both qualification and production burn-in is an extremely valuable capability that is critical to their roadmap and plan and we're both very excited to see them meet their growth projections We continue to see GaN and silicon carbide power semiconductors as critical to the electrification of the world's infrastructure, in addition to key market opportunities such as data center power delivery, electric vehicles, and charging infrastructure. we continue to see gan and silicon carbide power semiconductors as critical to the electrification of the world's infrastructure in addition to key market opportunities such as data center power delivery electric vehicles and charging infrastructure We won a new customer in silicon carbide this quarter with a company in Taiwan focused on the Asian and particularly greater EV market. we won a new customer in silicon carbide this quarter with a company in taiwan focused on the asian and particularly greater ev market Greater China EV market, sorry. greater china ev market sorry They placed an order for a small configured FOX-XP system for qualification and production. they placed an order for a small configured fox-xp system for qualification and production Key elements of their decision included our ability to demonstrate all the capabilities they needed with our systems in Fremont, California, as well as the feedback they received from customers who have data and confidence in Aehr's wafer level burn-in systems used for testing and burning silicon carbide wafers across a large number of silicon carbide suppliers. We see an uptick in activity and forecast from the silicon carbide players. This makes sense as we see major OEM EV suppliers in Japan and Germany roll out a number of new EVs later this year. These EV suppliers understand the value and need for wafer level burn-in of these six devices before they're put into modules containing many devices in parallel for the EV engine drive inverters. Key elements of their decision included our ability to demonstrate all the capabilities they needed with our systems in Fremont, California, as well as the feedback they received from customers who have data and confidence in Aehr's wafer level burn-in systems used for testing and burning silicon carbide wafers across a large number of silicon carbide suppliers. key elements of their decision included our ability to demonstrate all the capabilities they needed with our systems in fremont california as well as the feedback they received from customers who have data and confidence in aehr's wafer level burn-in systems used for testing and burning silicon carbide wafers across a large number of silicon carbide suppliers We see an uptick in activity and forecast from the silicon carbide players. we see an uptick in activity and forecast from the silicon carbide players This makes sense as we see major OEM EV suppliers in Japan and Germany roll out a number of new EVs later this year. this makes sense as we see major oem ev suppliers in japan and germany roll out a number of new evs later this year These EV suppliers understand the value and need for wafer level burn-in of these six devices before they're put into modules containing many devices in parallel for the EV engine drive inverters. these ev suppliers understand the value and need for wafer level burn-in of these six devices before they're put into modules containing many devices in parallel for the ev engine drive inverters This is well understood in the industry, and Aehr is seen as the market leader and proven solution for wafer level burn-in silicon carbide devices used in EV inverters by a significant number of EV suppliers. We're still conservative about forecasts from customers, and while we have plenty of capacity and believe we have the world's most cost-effective and highest performance wafer level burn-in solution on the market, we're not yet counting on significant revenue from this segment to return yet. However, it could still be a very good performing segment for us next year. We'll see. Now let me talk about wafer-level burn-in for memory. Our engagement with a key memory supplier continues to progress with additional wafer testing just this last week. This is well understood in the industry, and Aehr is seen as the market leader and proven solution for wafer level burn-in silicon carbide devices used in EV inverters by a significant number of EV suppliers. this is well understood in the industry and aehr is seen as the market leader and proven solution for wafer level burn-in silicon carbide devices used in ev inverters by a significant number of ev suppliers We're still conservative about forecasts from customers, and while we have plenty of capacity and believe we have the world's most cost-effective and highest performance wafer level burn-in solution on the market, we're not yet counting on significant revenue from this segment to return yet. However, it could still be a very good performing segment for us next year. we're still conservative about forecasts from customers and while we have plenty of capacity and believe we have the world's most cost-effective and highest performance wafer level burn-in solution on the market we're not yet counting on significant revenue from this segment to return yet. however it could still be a very good performing segment for us next year We'll see. we'll see Now let me talk about wafer-level burn-in for memory. now let me talk about wafer-level burn-in for memory Our engagement with a key memory supplier continues to progress with additional wafer testing just this last week. our engagement with a key memory supplier continues to progress with additional wafer testing just this last week We've been able to achieve the correlation they're asking for and are now in discussions about test system specifications needed for their next generation flash memories, and in particular, their high-bandwidth flash devices. We hope to close on this in the next few months, which would lead to a development agreement to supply systems and WaferPaks to them after a 12-18 month development of our new memory-optimized blades for our FOX-XP and NP multi-wafer test and burn-in platform. We're also now in discussions with other key memory suppliers that also produce high-bandwidth memory, the new DRAM standard being used in AI GPUs in addition to standard DRAM and flash memories. The HBM memories, as they're referred to, are embedded into multi-chip packages with advanced substrates such as the CoWoS packaging from TSMC. We've been able to achieve the correlation they're asking for and are now in discussions about test system specifications needed for their next generation flash memories, and in particular, their high-bandwidth flash devices. we've been able to achieve the correlation they're asking for and are now in discussions about test system specifications needed for their next generation flash memories and in particular their high-bandwidth flash devices We hope to close on this in the next few months, which would lead to a development agreement to supply systems and WaferPaks to them after a 12-18 month development of our new memory-optimized blades for our FOX-XP and NP multi-wafer test and burn-in platform. we hope to close on this in the next few months which would lead to a development agreement to supply systems and waferpaks to them after a 12-18 month development of our new memory-optimized blades for our fox-xp and np multi-wafer test and burn-in platform We're also now in discussions with other key memory suppliers that also produce high-bandwidth memory, the new DRAM standard being used in AI GPUs in addition to standard DRAM and flash memories. we're also now in discussions with other key memory suppliers that also produce high-bandwidth memory the new dram standard being used in ai gpus in addition to standard dram and flash memories The HBM memories, as they're referred to, are embedded into multi-chip packages with advanced substrates such as the CoWoS packaging from TSMC. the hbm memories as they're referred to are embedded into multi-chip packages with advanced substrates such as the cowos packaging from tsmc NVIDIA's roadmap is aggressively pushing toward higher capacity, faster HBM standards to address the memory wall in AI training and inference. The upcoming roadmap transitions from HBM3E to 4 in 2026, and then from HBM4E and HBM5 in the following years, with capacity per GPU expected to increase from 80 GB in the A100 class to over 1 TB in the Rubin Ultra by 2027 per SemiAnalysis. We are seeing the added potential for HBM insertions with our FOX multi-wafer test and burn-in system roadmap that extends to flash, High Bandwidth Flash, DRAM, and HBM memories. This is a key focus for Aehr this year, to drive to an agreement to work with these customers in the development of the enhancements needed to extend our FOX systems to these markets. This is a market that we believe could drive orders in fiscal 2027 with ramps in fiscal 2028. NVIDIA's roadmap is aggressively pushing toward higher capacity, faster HBM standards to address the memory wall in AI training and inference. nvidia's roadmap is aggressively pushing toward higher capacity faster hbm standards to address the memory wall in ai training and inference The upcoming roadmap transitions from HBM3E to 4 in 2026, and then from HBM4E and HBM5 in the following years, with capacity per GPU expected to increase from 80 GB in the A100 class to over 1 TB in the Rubin Ultra by 2027 per SemiAnalysis. the upcoming roadmap transitions from hbm3e to 4 in 2026 and then from hbm4e and hbm5 in the following years with capacity per gpu expected to increase from 80 gb in the a100 class to over 1 tb in the rubin ultra by 2027 per semianalysis We are seeing the added potential for HBM insertions with our FOX multi-wafer test and burn-in system roadmap that extends to flash, High Bandwidth Flash, DRAM, and HBM memories. we are seeing the added potential for hbm insertions with our fox multi-wafer test and burn-in system roadmap that extends to flash high bandwidth flash dram and hbm memories This is a key focus for Aehr this year, to drive to an agreement to work with these customers in the development of the enhancements needed to extend our FOX systems to these markets. this is a key focus for aehr this year to drive to an agreement to work with these customers in the development of the enhancements needed to extend our fox systems to these markets This is a market that we believe could drive orders in fiscal 2027 with ramps in fiscal 2028. this is a market that we believe could drive orders in fiscal 2027 with ramps in fiscal 2028 Now turning to package-level burn-in. Let me start by highlighting that we're trying to change our own vocabulary from package part burn-in to package-level burn-in. This may seem subtle, but to give a little background, traditionally there was one semiconductor integrated circuit per single package. The package was used to protect the die from elements and wire out to a standard pattern of pins or pads that allowed easy handling assembly onto a printed circuit board. This pattern or pitch between pins is much, much larger than the pitch on the individual die, so contacting the devices is very different for us between our package-level and wafer-level solutions. Historically, about 20 years ago, there was a package concept called multi-chip packages, where multiple individual die were wire bonded into a single package. This was driven at the time for size and performance. Now turning to package-level burn-in. now turning to package-level burn-in Let me start by highlighting that we're trying to change our own vocabulary from package part burn-in to package-level burn-in. let me start by highlighting that we're trying to change our own vocabulary from package part burn-in to package-level burn-in This may seem subtle, but to give a little background, traditionally there was one semiconductor integrated circuit per single package. this may seem subtle but to give a little background traditionally there was one semiconductor integrated circuit per single package The package was used to protect the die from elements and wire out to a standard pattern of pins or pads that allowed easy handling assembly onto a printed circuit board. the package was used to protect the die from elements and wire out to a standard pattern of pins or pads that allowed easy handling assembly onto a printed circuit board This pattern or pitch between pins is much, much larger than the pitch on the individual die, so contacting the devices is very different for us between our package-level and wafer-level solutions. this pattern or pitch between pins is much much larger than the pitch on the individual die so contacting the devices is very different for us between our package-level and wafer-level solutions Historically, about 20 years ago, there was a package concept called multi-chip packages, where multiple individual die were wire bonded into a single package. historically about 20 years ago there was a package concept called multi-chip packages where multiple individual die were wire bonded into a single package This was driven at the time for size and performance. this was driven at the time for size and performance Typically, this was much more expensive and generally this faded out in time to other smaller package sizes. Recently, in the last handful of years, there have been three major drivers of the need for new multi-chip packages, but this has been called advanced packaging or modules rather than MCPs. One driver, which is the biggest one, is that the multi-decade long trend that was referred to as Moore's Law has come to an end. This law was the number of transistors was doubling every 1.5-2 years, while the die size was staying the same, and therefore costs were staying flat or decreasing. This allowed higher and higher performance, smaller die, and therefore lower cost die to be made via process improvements or die shrinks. Typically, this was much more expensive and generally this faded out in time to other smaller package sizes. typically this was much more expensive and generally this faded out in time to other smaller package sizes Recently, in the last handful of years, there have been three major drivers of the need for new multi-chip packages, but this has been called advanced packaging or modules rather than MCPs. recently in the last handful of years there have been three major drivers of the need for new multi-chip packages but this has been called advanced packaging or modules rather than mcps One driver, which is the biggest one, is that the multi-decade long trend that was referred to as Moore's Law has come to an end. one driver which is the biggest one is that the multi-decade long trend that was referred to as moore's law has come to an end This law was the number of transistors was doubling every 1.5-2 years, while the die size was staying the same, and therefore costs were staying flat or decreasing. this law was the number of transistors was doubling every 1.5-2 years while the die size was staying the same and therefore costs were staying flat or decreasing This allowed higher and higher performance, smaller die, and therefore lower cost die to be made via process improvements or die shrinks. this allowed higher and higher performance smaller die and therefore lower cost die to be made via process improvements or die shrinks This drove the industry for 40 years or so until around 2010, plus or minus, when shrinks started to slow materially. As several applications such as AI processors, extremely high-density memory such as flash and DRAM, power semiconductors, were being driven by massive markets such as data center, AI, and electric vehicles. The extremely high value and need for multiple devices in the same package came to fruition. This time it was functionality and feasibility that drove this. We now refer to these devices in two camps, really three camps, wafer level, die level, and package level, where package level includes both single die per package and also multi-chip modules or advanced package multi-die packages such as those found in AI GPUs with HBM DRAM stacks. Multi-stack flash SSDs and also multi-die silicon carbide modules for EV inverters and charging infrastructure. This drove the industry for 40 years or so until around 2010, plus or minus, when shrinks started to slow materially. this drove the industry for 40 years or so until around 2010 plus or minus when shrinks started to slow materially As several applications such as AI processors, extremely high-density memory such as flash and DRAM, power semiconductors, were being driven by massive markets such as data center, AI, and electric vehicles. as several applications such as ai processors extremely high-density memory such as flash and dram power semiconductors were being driven by massive markets such as data center ai and electric vehicles The extremely high value and need for multiple devices in the same package came to fruition. the extremely high value and need for multiple devices in the same package came to fruition This time it was functionality and feasibility that drove this. this time it was functionality and feasibility that drove this We now refer to these devices in two camps, really three camps, wafer level, die level, and package level, where package level includes both single die per package and also multi-chip modules or advanced package multi-die packages such as those found in AI GPUs with HBM DRAM stacks. we now refer to these devices in two camps really three camps wafer level die level and package level where package level includes both single die per package and also multi-chip modules or advanced package multi-die packages such as those found in ai gpus with hbm dram stacks Multi-stack flash SSDs and also multi-die silicon carbide modules for EV inverters and charging infrastructure. multi-stack flash ssds and also multi-die silicon carbide modules for ev inverters and charging infrastructure At least I hope this helps as we talk through this and make it more clear what the difference is between wafer level and package level. You may catch me still saying package part at times, as old habits are hard to break, but we'll try to refer to these as package level from now on. Okay. During the quarter, we announced a key production win with our lead package level hyperscale customer. This customer is a premier large-scale data center provider and selected Aehr for production burn-in of their next generation, significantly higher power AI processor with an initial production order of our high-power Sonoma systems. This next generation AI ASIC is expected to move to production later this year and is believed to be even higher volumes than the first device that this customer is ramping our Sonoma systems on right now. At least I hope this helps as we talk through this and make it more clear what the difference is between wafer level and package level. at least i hope this helps as we talk through this and make it more clear what the difference is between wafer level and package level You may catch me still saying package part at times, as old habits are hard to break, but we'll try to refer to these as package level from now on. you may catch me still saying package part at times as old habits are hard to break but we'll try to refer to these as package level from now on Okay. okay During the quarter, we announced a key production win with our lead package level hyperscale customer. during the quarter we announced a key production win with our lead package level hyperscale customer This customer is a premier large-scale data center provider and selected Aehr for production burn-in of their next generation, significantly higher power AI processor with an initial production order of our high-power Sonoma systems. this customer is a premier large-scale data center provider and selected aehr for production burn-in of their next generation significantly higher power ai processor with an initial production order of our high-power sonoma systems This next generation AI ASIC is expected to move to production later this year and is believed to be even higher volumes than the first device that this customer is ramping our Sonoma systems on right now. this next generation ai asic is expected to move to production later this year and is believed to be even higher volumes than the first device that this customer is ramping our sonoma systems on right now We also expect a significant near-term follow-on order from this customer for package level burn-in systems to support their high volume manufacturing of their custom AI processors today, the current one used in data center training and inference. They are forecasting a substantial expansion of Sonoma systems purchases beginning the second half of calendar 2026 and continuing into 2027. We believe it's likely that there is overlapping ramps between the current and next generation devices, which should significantly expand both our installed base and long-term consumable opportunity with this customer. We're also engaged with multiple potential customers for package level qualification test of AI accelerators, ASICs, network processors, and edge AI processors for automotive and robotics. These engagements also represent opportunities to move to production burn-in over time, and interestingly, about half of these have also expressed interest in wafer-level burn-in in addition to our package-level burn-in solutions. We also expect a significant near-term follow-on order from this customer for package level burn-in systems to support their high volume manufacturing of their custom AI processors today, the current one used in data center training and inference. we also expect a significant near-term follow-on order from this customer for package level burn-in systems to support their high volume manufacturing of their custom ai processors today the current one used in data center training and inference They are forecasting a substantial expansion of Sonoma systems purchases beginning the second half of calendar 2026 and continuing into 2027. they are forecasting a substantial expansion of sonoma systems purchases beginning the second half of calendar 2026 and continuing into 2027 We believe it's likely that there is overlapping ramps between the current and next generation devices, which should significantly expand both our installed base and long-term consumable opportunity with this customer. We're also engaged with multiple potential customers for package level qualification test of AI accelerators, ASICs, network processors, and edge AI processors for automotive and robotics. we believe it's likely that there is overlapping ramps between the current and next generation devices which should significantly expand both our installed base and long-term consumable opportunity with this customer. we're also engaged with multiple potential customers for package level qualification test of ai accelerators asics network processors and edge ai processors for automotive and robotics These engagements also represent opportunities to move to production burn-in over time, and interestingly, about half of these have also expressed interest in wafer-level burn-in in addition to our package-level burn-in solutions. these engagements also represent opportunities to move to production burn-in over time and interestingly about half of these have also expressed interest in wafer-level burn-in in addition to our package-level burn-in solutions Yesterday afternoon, in fact, we received an order from a brand-new customer for Sonoma to be used for reliability qualification of their new AI processor, but they may also do production burn-in with this device, which they can do with the exact same platform using Sonoma. This momentum reinforces our leadership in high-power burn-in for AI processors. The broader demand environment remains very strong. Industry forecasts indicate that hyperscale data center capacity is expected to nearly triple by 2030, driven by both new builds and upgrades to existing infrastructure. This is driving substantial growth in high-performance semiconductors and in turn, demand for advanced burn-in solutions. As we've noted before, as our installed base of systems continues to grow, our consumables, which includes our WaferPak, full wafer contactors for wafer level, and our burn-in board and modules for package-level burn-in, can continue to grow beyond our systems. Yesterday afternoon, in fact, we received an order from a brand-new customer for Sonoma to be used for reliability qualification of their new AI processor, but they may also do production burn-in with this device, which they can do with the exact same platform using Sonoma. yesterday afternoon in fact we received an order from a brand-new customer for sonoma to be used for reliability qualification of their new ai processor but they may also do production burn-in with this device which they can do with the exact same platform using sonoma This momentum reinforces our leadership in high-power burn-in for AI processors. this momentum reinforces our leadership in high-power burn-in for ai processors The broader demand environment remains very strong. the broader demand environment remains very strong Industry forecasts indicate that hyperscale data center capacity is expected to nearly triple by 2030, driven by both new builds and upgrades to existing infrastructure. industry forecasts indicate that hyperscale data center capacity is expected to nearly triple by 2030 driven by both new builds and upgrades to existing infrastructure This is driving substantial growth in high-performance semiconductors and in turn, demand for advanced burn-in solutions. this is driving substantial growth in high-performance semiconductors and in turn demand for advanced burn-in solutions As we've noted before, as our installed base of systems continues to grow, our consumables, which includes our WaferPak, full wafer contactors for wafer level, and our burn-in board and modules for package-level burn-in, can continue to grow beyond our systems. as we've noted before as our installed base of systems continues to grow our consumables which includes our waferpak full wafer contactors for wafer level and our burn-in board and modules for package-level burn-in can continue to grow beyond our systems While this year has been lighter in terms of consumable sales, particularly WaferPaks, we believe it's an outlier. Some customers had bought systems ahead of the need and have grown into capacity, and this seems to be running its course. We believe over time, our consumables business will consistently be at 30% or more of our total revenue, and our margins will increase as sales of these value-add consumables grow. To support growing demand, we're continuing to scale manufacturing capacity. In addition to our Fremont expansion, this quarter we'll begin shipping Sonoma systems from one of our current contract manufacturers, adding capacity of more than 20 additional Sonoma systems per month. This meaningfully increases our ability to support future growth. While this year has been lighter in terms of consumable sales, particularly WaferPaks, we believe it's an outlier. while this year has been lighter in terms of consumable sales particularly waferpaks we believe it's an outlier Some customers had bought systems ahead of the need and have grown into capacity, and this seems to be running its course. some customers had bought systems ahead of the need and have grown into capacity and this seems to be running its course We believe over time, our consumables business will consistently be at 30% or more of our total revenue, and our margins will increase as sales of these value-add consumables grow. we believe over time our consumables business will consistently be at 30% or more of our total revenue and our margins will increase as sales of these value-add consumables grow To support growing demand, we're continuing to scale manufacturing capacity. to support growing demand we're continuing to scale manufacturing capacity In addition to our Fremont expansion, this quarter we'll begin shipping Sonoma systems from one of our current contract manufacturers, adding capacity of more than 20 additional Sonoma systems per month. in addition to our fremont expansion this quarter we'll begin shipping sonoma systems from one of our current contract manufacturers adding capacity of more than 20 additional sonoma systems per month This meaningfully increases our ability to support future growth. this meaningfully increases our ability to support future growth With expanding AI infrastructure deployments and our recent manufacturing capacity enhancements, we believe we're well positioned to support significant growth both in our wafer-level and package-level burn-in systems as customers ramp production. With strong second half bookings so far and a strong funnel of additional orders expected this quarter, we believe we're well positioned to exit the fiscal year ending May 29th with a strong backlog and deliver significant revenue growth in fiscal 2027. We currently expect full-year fiscal 2026 revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter. We also expect our bookings for the second half of the fiscal year to be on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million range provided last quarter. With expanding AI infrastructure deployments and our recent manufacturing capacity enhancements, we believe we're well positioned to support significant growth both in our wafer-level and package-level burn-in systems as customers ramp production. with expanding ai infrastructure deployments and our recent manufacturing capacity enhancements we believe we're well positioned to support significant growth both in our wafer-level and package-level burn-in systems as customers ramp production With strong second half bookings so far and a strong funnel of additional orders expected this quarter, we believe we're well positioned to exit the fiscal year ending May 29th with a strong backlog and deliver significant revenue growth in fiscal 2027. with strong second half bookings so far and a strong funnel of additional orders expected this quarter we believe we're well positioned to exit the fiscal year ending may 29th with a strong backlog and deliver significant revenue growth in fiscal 2027 We currently expect full-year fiscal 2026 revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter. we currently expect full-year fiscal 2026 revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter We also expect our bookings for the second half of the fiscal year to be on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million range provided last quarter. we also expect our bookings for the second half of the fiscal year to be on the high side of the $60 million-$80 million range provided last quarter More broadly, we believe we have a clear path to sustain long-term growth as our installed base expands across AI, silicon photonics, power semiconductors, memories, and other high-performance applications. As semiconductor performance and reliability requirements continue to rise, burn-in is becoming increasingly critical across a growing set of applications. We believe Aehr is uniquely positioned as the only provider offering both wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions at scale. With that, I'll turn it over to Chris. More broadly, we believe we have a clear path to sustain long-term growth as our installed base expands across AI, silicon photonics, power semiconductors, memories, and other high-performance applications. more broadly we believe we have a clear path to sustain long-term growth as our installed base expands across ai silicon photonics power semiconductors memories and other high-performance applications As semiconductor performance and reliability requirements continue to rise, burn-in is becoming increasingly critical across a growing set of applications. as semiconductor performance and reliability requirements continue to rise burn-in is becoming increasingly critical across a growing set of applications We believe Aehr is uniquely positioned as the only provider offering both wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions at scale. we believe aehr is uniquely positioned as the only provider offering both wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions at scale With that, I'll turn it over to Chris. with that i'll turn it over to chris
Speaker 1: Thank you Gayn, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with bookings and backlog, then walk through our third quarter financial performance, cash position, outlook, and investor activity. The company recognized bookings of $37.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2026, significantly higher than the $6.2 million in the second quarter, as we have received multiple purchase orders for FOX systems, WaferPaks, and [audio distortion] Auto Aligners from different customers for AI, silicon photonics, and silicon carbide applications. At the end of the quarter, our backlog was $38.7 million. During the first five weeks of the fourth quarter, we received an additional $12.2 million in bookings. This increase was driven primarily by a major new silicon photonics customer for wafer-level burn-in with an initial order for multiple FOX systems for both engineering qualification and high volume production, which we recently announced. Thank you Gayn, and good afternoon, everyone. thank you gayn and good afternoon everyone I'll begin with bookings and backlog, then walk through our third quarter financial performance, cash position, outlook, and investor activity. i'll begin with bookings and backlog then walk through our third quarter financial performance cash position outlook and investor activity The company recognized bookings of $37.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2026, significantly higher than the $6.2 million in the second quarter, as we have received multiple purchase orders for FOX systems, WaferPaks, and [audio distortion] Auto Aligners from different customers for AI, silicon photonics, and silicon carbide applications. the company recognized bookings of $37.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2026 significantly higher than the $6.2 million in the second quarter as we have received multiple purchase orders for fox systems waferpaks and [audio distortion] auto aligners from different customers for ai silicon photonics and silicon carbide applications At the end of the quarter, our backlog was $38.7 million. at the end of the quarter our backlog was $38.7 million During the first five weeks of the fourth quarter, we received an additional $12.2 million in bookings. during the first five weeks of the fourth quarter we received an additional $12.2 million in bookings This increase was driven primarily by a major new silicon photonics customer for wafer-level burn-in with an initial order for multiple FOX systems for both engineering qualification and high volume production, which we recently announced. this increase was driven primarily by a major new silicon photonics customer for wafer-level burn-in with an initial order for multiple fox systems for both engineering qualification and high volume production which we recently announced With this recent bookings, our effective backlog, which includes our quarter end backlog plus additional bookings received since the end of the third quarter, has now grown to a record of $50.9 million, providing strong visibility for the remainder of fiscal 2026 and positioning us for significant growth for fiscal 2027. Our strong bookings include increased demand for both our wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions. We believe this reflects the proven value of these differentiated solutions, which are increasingly integral to the production and reliability strategies of our customers in the AI, data center, and other key markets we serve. Turning to our Q3 performance. While we did not provide quarterly guidance, our third quarter revenue of $10.3 million was in line with internal expectations due to delayed orders. Q3 revenue was slightly below consensus and down 44% from $18.3 million prior year period. With this recent bookings, our effective backlog, which includes our quarter end backlog plus additional bookings received since the end of the third quarter, has now grown to a record of $50.9 million, providing strong visibility for the remainder of fiscal 2026 and positioning us for significant growth for fiscal 2027. with this recent bookings our effective backlog which includes our quarter end backlog plus additional bookings received since the end of the third quarter has now grown to a record of $50.9 million providing strong visibility for the remainder of fiscal 2026 and positioning us for significant growth for fiscal 2027 Our strong bookings include increased demand for both our wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions. our strong bookings include increased demand for both our wafer-level and package-level burn-in solutions We believe this reflects the proven value of these differentiated solutions, which are increasingly integral to the production and reliability strategies of our customers in the AI, data center, and other key markets we serve. we believe this reflects the proven value of these differentiated solutions which are increasingly integral to the production and reliability strategies of our customers in the ai data center and other key markets we serve Turning to our Q3 performance. turning to our q3 performance While we did not provide quarterly guidance, our third quarter revenue of $10.3 million was in line with internal expectations due to delayed orders. while we did not provide quarterly guidance our third quarter revenue of $10.3 million was in line with internal expectations due to delayed orders Q3 revenue was slightly below consensus and down 44% from $18.3 million prior year period. q3 revenue was slightly below consensus and down 44% from $18.3 million prior year period The decline was primarily driven by lower shipments of FOX systems and WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, partially offset by stronger demand for our Sonoma systems and BIMs from our hyperscale customer. Contactor revenues, which include WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, and BIMs and BIBs for our package-level burn-in business, total $3 million, representing 29% of total revenue in the third quarter. This compares to $5.9 million or 32% of revenue in Q3 last year. Non-GAAP gross margin for the third quarter was 36.5%, compared to 42.7% a year ago. The year-over-year decline reflects lower overall sales volume and a less favorable product mix, as last year's quarter included a higher proportion of high-margin WaferPak revenue. Non-GAAP operating expenses in the third quarter was $6.3 million, flat from $6.3 million in Q3 last year. The decline was primarily driven by lower shipments of FOX systems and WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, partially offset by stronger demand for our Sonoma systems and BIMs from our hyperscale customer. the decline was primarily driven by lower shipments of fox systems and waferpaks for our wafer-level burn-in business partially offset by stronger demand for our sonoma systems and bims from our hyperscale customer Contactor revenues, which include WaferPaks for our wafer-level burn-in business, and BIMs and BIBs for our package-level burn-in business, total $3 million, representing 29% of total revenue in the third quarter. contactor revenues which include waferpaks for our wafer-level burn-in business and bims and bibs for our package-level burn-in business total $3 million representing 29% of total revenue in the third quarter This compares to $5.9 million or 32% of revenue in Q3 last year. Non-GAAP gross margin for the third quarter was 36.5%, compared to 42.7% a year ago. this compares to $5.9 million or 32% of revenue in q3 last year. non-gaap gross margin for the third quarter was 36.5% compared to 42.7% a year ago The year-over-year decline reflects lower overall sales volume and a less favorable product mix, as last year's quarter included a higher proportion of high-margin WaferPak revenue. the year-over-year decline reflects lower overall sales volume and a less favorable product mix as last year's quarter included a higher proportion of high-margin waferpak revenue Non-GAAP operating expenses in the third quarter was $6.3 million, flat from $6.3 million in Q3 last year. non-gaap operating expenses in the third quarter was $6.3 million flat from $6.3 million in q3 last year We continue to invest significant resources in our AI benchmark and memory projects. During the quarter, we recorded an income tax benefit of $0.8 million, resulting in an effective tax rate of 19.9%. Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter, which excludes the impact of stock-based compensation and acquisition-related adjustments, was $1.5 million, or a loss of $0.05 per diluted share, compared to net income of $2 million or $0.07 per diluted share in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter exceeded consensus by $0.02. Turning to cash flow. We used $3.7 million in operating cash during the third quarter. We ended the quarter with $37.1 million in cash equivalents, and restricted cash, up from $31 million at the end of Q2. The increase was primarily due to proceeds from our at-the-market, or ATM equity program. We continue to invest significant resources in our AI benchmark and memory projects. we continue to invest significant resources in our ai benchmark and memory projects During the quarter, we recorded an income tax benefit of $0.8 million, resulting in an effective tax rate of 19.9%. during the quarter we recorded an income tax benefit of $0.8 million resulting in an effective tax rate of 19.9% Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter, which excludes the impact of stock-based compensation and acquisition-related adjustments, was $1.5 million, or a loss of $0.05 per diluted share, compared to net income of $2 million or $0.07 per diluted share in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. non-gaap net loss for the third quarter which excludes the impact of stock-based compensation and acquisition-related adjustments was $1.5 million or a loss of $0.05 per diluted share compared to net income of $2 million or $0.07 per diluted share in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 Non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter exceeded consensus by $0.02. non-gaap net loss for the third quarter exceeded consensus by $0.02 Turning to cash flow. turning to cash flow We used $3.7 million in operating cash during the third quarter. we used $3.7 million in operating cash during the third quarter We ended the quarter with $37.1 million in cash equivalents, and restricted cash, up from $31 million at the end of Q2. we ended the quarter with $37.1 million in cash equivalents and restricted cash up from $31 million at the end of q2 The increase was primarily due to proceeds from our at-the-market, or ATM equity program. the increase was primarily due to proceeds from our at-the-market or atm equity program During the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we raised $10.5 million in gross proceeds through the sale of about 269,000 shares. Since the end of Q3, we've raised another $19.5 million gross proceeds through the sale of about 477,000 shares. With the $9.9 million we raised in Q2, we have now fully utilized the $40 million available under the ATM and have sold over 1.13 million shares at an average price of $35.38. We also announced this afternoon that we'll be changing our fiscal year from the last Friday of May to the last Friday of June, effective after our fiscal year ends on May 29th, 2026. Our new fiscal year 2027 will begin on June 27th, 2026, and end on June 25th, 2027, continuing with the 4-4-5 calendar. During the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we raised $10.5 million in gross proceeds through the sale of about 269,000 shares. during the third quarter of fiscal 2026 we raised $10.5 million in gross proceeds through the sale of about 269,000 shares Since the end of Q3, we've raised another $19.5 million gross proceeds through the sale of about 477,000 shares. since the end of q3 we've raised another $19.5 million gross proceeds through the sale of about 477,000 shares With the $9.9 million we raised in Q2, we have now fully utilized the $40 million available under the ATM and have sold over 1.13 million shares at an average price of $35.38. with the $9.9 million we raised in q2 we have now fully utilized the $40 million available under the atm and have sold over 1.13 million shares at an average price of $35.38 We also announced this afternoon that we'll be changing our fiscal year from the last Friday of May to the last Friday of June, effective after our fiscal year ends on May 29th, 2026. we also announced this afternoon that we'll be changing our fiscal year from the last friday of may to the last friday of june effective after our fiscal year ends on may 29th 2026 Our new fiscal year 2027 will begin on June 27th, 2026, and end on June 25th, 2027, continuing with the 4-4-5 calendar. our new fiscal year 2027 will begin on june 27th 2026 and end on june 25th 2027 continuing with the 4-4-5 calendar As a result, we will have one month of financial results from May 30th, 2026 to June 26th, 2026, which will be reported as a transition period when we file our Form 10-Q in the first quarter ending September 25th, 2026. We believe our new fiscal year will align more closely with the reporting periods of our customers and our peers in the semiconductor test equipment industry. Moving to our outlook. For the full year fiscal 2026 ending on May 29th, 2026, we currently expect total revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter, and non-GAAP net loss per diluted share to be between -$0.13 and -$0.09 for the full fiscal year. As a result, we will have one month of financial results from May 30th, 2026 to June 26th, 2026, which will be reported as a transition period when we file our Form 10-Q in the first quarter ending September 25th, 2026. as a result we will have one month of financial results from may 30th 2026 to june 26th 2026 which will be reported as a transition period when we file our form 10-q in the first quarter ending september 25th 2026 We believe our new fiscal year will align more closely with the reporting periods of our customers and our peers in the semiconductor test equipment industry. we believe our new fiscal year will align more closely with the reporting periods of our customers and our peers in the semiconductor test equipment industry Moving to our outlook. moving to our outlook For the full year fiscal 2026 ending on May 29th, 2026, we currently expect total revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter, and non-GAAP net loss per diluted share to be between - $0.13 and - $0.09 for the full fiscal year. for the full year fiscal 2026 ending on may 29th 2026 we currently expect total revenue to be on the high side of the $45 million-$50 million range provided last quarter and non-gaap net loss per diluted share to be between - $0.13 and - $0.09 for the full fiscal year We expect our gross margin to improve as our manufacturing activity increases to support higher sales volume and better absorb our fixed costs. We also expect to return to profitability on a non-GAAP basis in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026. Lastly, looking at the investor relations calendar, Aehr Test will be participating in two investor conferences over the next couple of months. We'll be meeting with investors at the Craig-Hallum Institutional Investor Conference taking place in Minneapolis on May 28th, and we'll be presenting a meeting with investors on June 2nd at the William Blair 46th Annual Growth Conference taking place in Chicago. We hope to see some of you at these conferences. That concludes our prepared remarks. We're now happy to take your questions. Operator, please go ahead. We expect our gross margin to improve as our manufacturing activity increases to support higher sales volume and better absorb our fixed costs. we expect our gross margin to improve as our manufacturing activity increases to support higher sales volume and better absorb our fixed costs We also expect to return to profitability on a non-GAAP basis in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026. we also expect to return to profitability on a non-gaap basis in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026 Lastly, looking at the investor relations calendar, Aehr Test will be participating in two investor conferences over the next couple of months. lastly looking at the investor relations calendar aehr test will be participating in two investor conferences over the next couple of months We'll be meeting with investors at the Craig-Hallum Institutional Investor Conference taking place in Minneapolis on May 28th, and we'll be presenting a meeting with investors on June 2nd at the William Blair 46th Annual Growth Conference taking place in Chicago. we'll be meeting with investors at the craig-hallum institutional investor conference taking place in minneapolis on may 28th and we'll be presenting a meeting with investors on june 2nd at the william blair 46th annual growth conference taking place in chicago We hope to see some of you at these conferences. we hope to see some of you at these conferences That concludes our prepared remarks. that concludes our prepared remarks We're now happy to take your questions. we're now happy to take your questions Operator, please go ahead. operator please go ahead
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Speaker 6: Hey, gang. Hey, Chris. You have Mark Shooter on here for Jed Dorsheimer. Hey, gang. hey gang Hey, Chris. hey chris You have Mark Shooter on here for Jed Dorsheimer. you have mark shooter on here for jed dorsheimer
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Speaker 6: Congrats on all the progress, especially with the hyperscaler. I'm curious how you guys are looking at this internally and what percentage of GPUs or ASICs or XPUs do you think are burnt in today? How do you guys size the vector space? Congrats on all the progress, especially with the hyperscaler. congrats on all the progress especially with the hyperscaler I'm curious how you guys are looking at this internally and what percentage of GPUs or ASICs or XPUs do you think are burnt in today? i'm curious how you guys are looking at this internally and what percentage of gpus or asics or xpus do you think are burnt in today How do you guys size the vector space? how do you guys size the vector space
Speaker 3: That's a really good question, and I think we're still getting our arms around it a little bit here. I would say that we've been a little bit surprised at how many devices are not yet doing production burn-in. One of the things that we mentioned strategically when we purchased Incal, what, 18 months ago or so, Intel does a type of burn-in, and they were known for it, called qualification reliability burn-in, which all processors go through. In fact, all semiconductors. It's what determines their. That's a really good question, and I think we're still getting our arms around it a little bit here. that's a really good question and i think we're still getting our arms around it a little bit here I would say that we've been a little bit surprised at how many devices are not yet doing production burn-in. i would say that we've been a little bit surprised at how many devices are not yet doing production burn-in One of the things that we mentioned strategically when we purchased Incal, what, 18 months ago or so, Intel does a type of burn-in, and they were known for it, called qualification reliability burn-in, which all processors go through. one of the things that we mentioned strategically when we purchased incal what 18 months ago or so intel does a type of burn-in and they were known for it called qualification reliability burn-in which all processors go through In fact, all semiconductors. in fact all semiconductors It's what determines their. it's what determines their Lifetime reliability specs and that they will last long enough, et cetera. It's sort of a one-time deal you do with a large number of devices to do the statistics on it. Certain devices go through a screening in production to weed out infant mortalities because the failure rate is higher than the market will bear. Incal was doing this with a large number of AI customers, but actually prior to that, wasn't doing any production burn-in. When we acquired them, we've now, because of the capacity we have in terms of people and infrastructure, we've been able to capture this large hyperscaler and are engaged with multiple others. One of the things that I've been surprised at is that how many of the, I guess, particularly the ASIC suppliers, don't do production burn-in yet or are talking about doing it. Lifetime reliability specs and that they will last long enough, et cetera. lifetime reliability specs and that they will last long enough et cetera It's sort of a one-time deal you do with a large number of devices to do the statistics on it. it's sort of a one-time deal you do with a large number of devices to do the statistics on it Certain devices go through a screening in production to weed out infant mortalities because the failure rate is higher than the market will bear. certain devices go through a screening in production to weed out infant mortalities because the failure rate is higher than the market will bear Incal was doing this with a large number of AI customers, but actually prior to that, wasn't doing any production burn-in. incal was doing this with a large number of ai customers but actually prior to that wasn't doing any production burn-in When we acquired them, we've now, because of the capacity we have in terms of people and infrastructure, we've been able to capture this large hyperscaler and are engaged with multiple others. when we acquired them we've now because of the capacity we have in terms of people and infrastructure we've been able to capture this large hyperscaler and are engaged with multiple others One of the things that I've been surprised at is that how many of the, I guess, particularly the ASIC suppliers, don't do production burn-in yet or are talking about doing it. one of the things that i've been surprised at is that how many of the i guess particularly the asic suppliers don't do production burn-in yet or are talking about doing it That goes for a lot of different devices that are out there from edge, robotic, ASIC, network processors, and even, I want to always be careful on GPU because everybody just associates GPU only with NVIDIA, but not all devices are burned in still today. There are certain ones that are, there are certain ones that aren't. Even within a company, they may have some of their products are burned in and others aren't. However, the common theme is they're all moving to burn-in. The data is out now that there's solutions out there like Sonoma or the WaferPak for low burn-in of our FOX system that can cost-effectively do it. Now there's a very viable alternative to doing it at the system level or the rack level. That goes for a lot of different devices that are out there from edge, robotic, ASIC, network processors, and even, I want to always be careful on GPU because everybody just associates GPU only with NVIDIA, but not all devices are burned in still today. that goes for a lot of different devices that are out there from edge robotic asic network processors and even i want to always be careful on gpu because everybody just associates gpu only with nvidia but not all devices are burned in still today There are certain ones that are, there are certain ones that aren't. there are certain ones that are there are certain ones that aren't Even within a company, they may have some of their products are burned in and others aren't. even within a company they may have some of their products are burned in and others aren't However, the common theme is they're all moving to burn-in. however the common theme is they're all moving to burn-in The data is out now that there's solutions out there like Sonoma or the WaferPak for low burn-in of our FOX system that can cost-effectively do it. the data is out now that there's solutions out there like sonoma or the waferpak for low burn-in of our fox system that can cost-effectively do it Now there's a very viable alternative to doing it at the system level or the rack level. now there's a very viable alternative to doing it at the system level or the rack level We've said in the past that many of these guys would actually build it all the way to the rack, and then at the system integrator, they would burn it in for a week or two and weed out the infant mortality to ship it, or in some cases with ASIC suppliers, they just shipped it into their data centers and dealt with the fallout. It's growing. I'm trying to think if I'd try and put a percentage. I think on ASICs, it might be by unit, like SKU, I mean, I don't know if it's 20%. Maybe it's 5% of the number. Most ASICs are not burned in. I would say on the AI accelerators that are out there across the wide variety, maybe half. We've said in the past that many of these guys would actually build it all the way to the rack, and then at the system integrator, they would burn it in for a week or two and weed out the infant mortality to ship it, or in some cases with ASIC suppliers, they just shipped it into their data centers and dealt with the fallout. we've said in the past that many of these guys would actually build it all the way to the rack and then at the system integrator they would burn it in for a week or two and weed out the infant mortality to ship it or in some cases with asic suppliers they just shipped it into their data centers and dealt with the fallout It's growing. it's growing I'm trying to think if I'd try and put a percentage. i'm trying to think if i'd try and put a percentage I think on ASICs, it might be by unit, like SKU, I mean, I don't know if it's 20%. i think on asics it might be by unit like sku i mean i don't know if it's 20% Maybe it's 5% of the number. maybe it's 5% of the number Most ASICs are not burned in. most asics are not burned in I would say on the AI accelerators that are out there across the wide variety, maybe half. i would say on the ai accelerators that are out there across the wide variety maybe half What's happening is the processors are getting higher power from generation to generation and breaking all the tools that are out there. Even the tools that were out there, and I'm not giving any inside information whatsoever, but just what's sort of classically understood, like NVIDIA's processors of couple generations ago compared to their current ones, their power is substantially more, which would require new tools. The ones that they're working on and others in a year and out, and again, just what's publicly available, break the current tools. There's a continuous roadmap, and so even within our Sonoma platform, we're continuing to add capabilities. It's one of the key features we have is ability to adapt it and add higher and higher current and power as you go forward. What's happening is the processors are getting higher power from generation to generation and breaking all the tools that are out there. what's happening is the processors are getting higher power from generation to generation and breaking all the tools that are out there Even the tools that were out there, and I'm not giving any inside information whatsoever, but just what's sort of classically understood, like NVIDIA's processors of couple generations ago compared to their current ones, their power is substantially more, which would require new tools. even the tools that were out there and i'm not giving any inside information whatsoever but just what's sort of classically understood like nvidia's processors of couple generations ago compared to their current ones their power is substantially more which would require new tools The ones that they're working on and others in a year and out, and again, just what's publicly available, break the current tools. the ones that they're working on and others in a year and out and again just what's publicly available break the current tools There's a continuous roadmap, and so even within our Sonoma platform, we're continuing to add capabilities. there's a continuous roadmap and so even within our sonoma platform we're continuing to add capabilities It's one of the key features we have is ability to adapt it and add higher and higher current and power as you go forward. it's one of the key features we have is ability to adapt it and add higher and higher current and power as you go forward How many times you hear a CEO say you're at the early innings, but this is still at the kind of the beginning phases of this, and over time, people will be buying a lot more burn-in systems, as a percentage, meaning to cover the percentage of total and then just ensure quantity. How many times you hear a CEO say you're at the early innings, but this is still at the kind of the beginning phases of this, and over time, people will be buying a lot more burn-in systems, as a percentage, meaning to cover the percentage of total and then just ensure quantity. how many times you hear a ceo say you're at the early innings but this is still at the kind of the beginning phases of this and over time people will be buying a lot more burn-in systems as a percentage meaning to cover the percentage of total and then just ensure quantity
Speaker 6: I appreciate all the color, Dean. That's very helpful. To zero in a bit on your hyperscaler customer, can you bring us a little into the room a bit here and what was the decision process to go with package level, right? Not wafer level anymore, it's package level versus wafer level. Do you see a transition potentially with this customer to move to wafer level? If you get a new customer, do you think that they'll make the same decision or is there a track towards wafer level? Like, try to help us out with that. I appreciate all the color, Dean. i appreciate all the color dean That's very helpful. that's very helpful To zero in a bit on your hyperscaler customer, can you bring us a little into the room a bit here and what was the decision process to go with package level, right? to zero in a bit on your hyperscaler customer can you bring us a little into the room a bit here and what was the decision process to go with package level right Not wafer level anymore, it's package level versus wafer level. not wafer level anymore it's package level versus wafer level Do you see a transition potentially with this customer to move to wafer level? do you see a transition potentially with this customer to move to wafer level If you get a new customer, do you think that they'll make the same decision or is there a track towards wafer level? if you get a new customer do you think that they'll make the same decision or is there a track towards wafer level Like, try to help us out with that. like try to help us out with that
Speaker 3: Okay. To be fair, two, three years ago, if you would have asked me, I've said this before, can you do wafer level burn of AI processors? I think we would have said absolutely not. We didn't have the power in the system, and the belief was that there weren't the test modes that we now understand there are to be able to do it. Now as we've gone from customer to customer across a wide variety, there's commonalities about it that allow us to be able to confidently tell them we can do wafer level burn-in. Prior to that, it was whether you did package level burn-in or nothing, or not, or did it at the, say, the rack level. People first have to decide, do I do burn-in? Then they're going to default to thinking I'm going to do it at the package level. Okay. okay To be fair, two, three years ago, if you would have asked me, I've said this before, can you do wafer level burn of AI processors? to be fair two, three years ago if you would have asked me i've said this before can you do wafer level burn of ai processors I think we would have said absolutely not. i think we would have said absolutely not We didn't have the power in the system, and the belief was that there weren't the test modes that we now understand there are to be able to do it. we didn't have the power in the system and the belief was that there weren't the test modes that we now understand there are to be able to do it Now as we've gone from customer to customer across a wide variety, there's commonalities about it that allow us to be able to confidently tell them we can do wafer level burn-in. now as we've gone from customer to customer across a wide variety there's commonalities about it that allow us to be able to confidently tell them we can do wafer level burn-in Prior to that, it was whether you did package level burn-in or nothing, or not, or did it at the, say, the rack level. prior to that it was whether you did package level burn-in or nothing or not or did it at the say the rack level People first have to decide, do I do burn-in? people first have to decide do i do burn-in Then they're going to default to thinking I'm going to do it at the package level. then they're going to default to thinking i'm going to do it at the package level What we're seeing, and I mentioned this before, we have customers. I don't want to get too carried away here, but the last two customers that were in the last two weeks, Alberto is our package level burn-in VP, and Vernon really runs kind of the wafer level side of things. The customer will come in and say, "I want to talk about package level." About halfway through the tour, they're like, "What is that?" We talk about wafer level, and they're like, "Whoa, how do I do that?" We kind of joke about it around here. It's like. But the reality is, we don't care which side you go to, we have both. What we're seeing, and I mentioned this before, we have customers. what we're seeing and i mentioned this before we have customers I don't want to get too carried away here, but the last two customers that were in the last two weeks, Alberto is our package level burn-in VP, and Vernon really runs kind of the wafer level side of things. i don't want to get too carried away here but the last two customers that were in the last two weeks alberto is our package level burn-in vp and vernon really runs kind of the wafer level side of things The customer will come in and say, "I want to talk about package level." About halfway through the tour, they're like, "What is that?" We talk about wafer level, and they're like, "Whoa, how do I do that?" We kind of joke about it around here. the customer will come in and say "i want to talk about package level." about halfway through the tour they're like "what is that?" we talk about wafer level and they're like "whoa how do i do that?" we kind of joke about it around here It's like. it's like But the reality is, we don't care which side you go to, we have both. but the reality is we don't care which side you go to we have both Specifically on the hyperscaler, and I've said this out loud before, the first device they ran with us, it's not their first device, but it's the first one they went to production on, is on Sonoma. Their second device, they just awarded us with production for that one and are planning the ramp of that with us right now. They're already on the roadmap talking about the third device, and they've asked us about the DFT to specifically put into the third device because they would like to consider that for wafer level on our FOX systems. I think that's sort of a progression that we will see, and I would actually imagine large customers that have multiple different product lines, some they would do wafer level on, and some they might do package level on. Specifically on the hyperscaler, and I've said this out loud before, the first device they ran with us, it's not their first device, but it's the first one they went to production on, is on Sonoma. specifically on the hyperscaler and i've said this out loud before the first device they ran with us it's not their first device but it's the first one they went to production on is on sonoma Their second device, they just awarded us with production for that one and are planning the ramp of that with us right now. their second device they just awarded us with production for that one and are planning the ramp of that with us right now They're already on the roadmap talking about the third device, and they've asked us about the DFT to specifically put into the third device because they would like to consider that for wafer level on our FOX systems. they're already on the roadmap talking about the third device and they've asked us about the dft to specifically put into the third device because they would like to consider that for wafer level on our fox systems I think that's sort of a progression that we will see, and I would actually imagine large customers that have multiple different product lines, some they would do wafer level on, and some they might do package level on. i think that's sort of a progression that we will see and i would actually imagine large customers that have multiple different product lines some they would do wafer level on and some they might do package level on It becomes particularly valuable when you have a package that has multiple processors in it, and all the HBM memory. In those particular ones, I mean the CoWoS substrate is more expensive than the silicon itself of the processor, which sounds crazy. They would be very interested in doing the wafer level to screen out the die before they have to throw away everything else. So I think there's a progression over time where people will move towards wafer level on the things they can, default to package level where they can't. It becomes particularly valuable when you have a package that has multiple processors in it, and all the HBM memory. it becomes particularly valuable when you have a package that has multiple processors in it and all the hbm memory In those particular ones, I mean the CoWoS substrate is more expensive than the silicon itself of the processor, which sounds crazy. in those particular ones i mean the cowos substrate is more expensive than the silicon itself of the processor which sounds crazy They would be very interested in doing the wafer level to screen out the die before they have to throw away everything else. they would be very interested in doing the wafer level to screen out the die before they have to throw away everything else So I think there's a progression over time where people will move towards wafer level on the things they can, default to package level where they can't. so i think there's a progression over time where people will move towards wafer level on the things they can default to package level where they can't
Speaker 6: It's really helpful. Thank you, Gayn. It's really helpful. it's really helpful Thank you, Gayn. thank you gayn
Speaker 3: Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Mark. thanks mark
Speaker 8: The next question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed. Christian. The next question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig-Hallum. the next question comes from christian schwab with craig-hallum Please proceed. please proceed Christian. christian
Speaker 2: Hey, Gayn. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for tremendous amount of detail regarding the different target markets and your success in each one of them. The most common question that I receive is there a way to gauge, over a multi-year timeframe, obviously, you gave guidance for this year in support of substantial growth the following year with bookings in hand and others to come. Have you had enough time to give some thought to the range of potential outcomes over a multi-year timeframe, that you guys could do in combination of your target markets and in potential entry into the memory market down the road? Hey, Gayn. hey gayn Hey, good afternoon. hey good afternoon Thanks for tremendous amount of detail regarding the different target markets and your success in each one of them. thanks for tremendous amount of detail regarding the different target markets and your success in each one of them The most common question that I receive is there a way to gauge, over a multi-year timeframe, obviously, you gave guidance for this year in support of substantial growth the following year with bookings in hand and others to come. the most common question that i receive is there a way to gauge over a multi-year timeframe obviously you gave guidance for this year in support of substantial growth the following year with bookings in hand and others to come Have you had enough time to give some thought to the range of potential outcomes over a multi-year timeframe, that you guys could do in combination of your target markets and in potential entry into the memory market down the road? have you had enough time to give some thought to the range of potential outcomes over a multi-year timeframe that you guys could do in combination of your target markets and in potential entry into the memory market down the road
Speaker 3: So the short answer is, we have. The long answer is, we're just really cautious about trying to get too carried away with our projections. But the numbers are very significant. Particularly now that there's some [audio distortion] with memory, kind of angle on this thing, too. If you look at the dollar spend that people are going to do on whether you call it compute or AI or. If you look at the compute capability that are going into training and inference in data centers, inference in edge, automotive, robotics, the number of different applications and the way people are using it and deploying it, the amount of silicon wafers is staggering. Why people talk about these enormous dollars. Those devices, a processor, has always been burnt in. It feels like I'm contradicting what I said earlier. So the short answer is, we have. so the short answer is we have The long answer is, we're just really cautious about trying to get too carried away with our projections. But the numbers are very significant. the long answer is we're just really cautious about trying to get too carried away with our projections. but the numbers are very significant Particularly now that there's some [audio distortion] with memory, kind of angle on this thing, too. particularly now that there's some [audio distortion] with memory kind of angle on this thing too If you look at the dollar spend that people are going to do on whether you call it compute or AI or. if you look at the dollar spend that people are going to do on whether you call it compute or ai or If you look at the compute capability that are going into training and inference in data centers, inference in edge, automotive, robotics, the number of different applications and the way people are using it and deploying it, the amount of silicon wafers is staggering. if you look at the compute capability that are going into training and inference in data centers inference in edge automotive robotics the number of different applications and the way people are using it and deploying it the amount of silicon wafers is staggering Why people talk about these enormous dollars. why people talk about these enormous dollars Those devices, a processor, has always been burnt in. those devices a processor has always been burnt in It feels like I'm contradicting what I said earlier. it feels like i'm contradicting what i said earlier It's widely known that Intel and AMD, the primary processor suppliers of the world, burned in every one of their processors and always have. When the first GPUs were coming out, those were using graphics, they were not burnt in. The initial people that are all related to AI are foundries, and they're out looking for burn-in capability. There were no burn-in systems in the foundry OSAT models. People weren't spending on it. They spend enormous amounts of money on test, and it's growing, and they're going to be spending a significant portion of their test budget on burn-in going forward. I hear it constantly from the customers rotating through. The TAMs are multi-hundreds of millions of dollars for package level burn-in. Wafer level burn-in, if you say it displaces package level, is even higher. It's widely known that Intel and AMD, the primary processor suppliers of the world, burned in every one of their processors and always have. it's widely known that intel and amd the primary processor suppliers of the world burned in every one of their processors and always have When the first GPUs were coming out, those were using graphics, they were not burnt in. when the first gpus were coming out those were using graphics they were not burnt in The initial people that are all related to AI are foundries, and they're out looking for burn-in capability. the initial people that are all related to ai are foundries and they're out looking for burn-in capability There were no burn-in systems in the foundry OSAT models. there were no burn-in systems in the foundry osat models People weren't spending on it. people weren't spending on it They spend enormous amounts of money on test, and it's growing, and they're going to be spending a significant portion of their test budget on burn-in going forward. they spend enormous amounts of money on test and it's growing and they're going to be spending a significant portion of their test budget on burn-in going forward I hear it constantly from the customers rotating through. i hear it constantly from the customers rotating through The TAMs are multi-hundreds of millions of dollars for package level burn-in. the tams are multi-hundreds of millions of dollars for package level burn-in Wafer level burn-in, if you say it displaces package level, is even higher. wafer level burn-in if you say it displaces package level is even higher The average actual price per unit time of wafer level is actually more expensive than package level. The yield pays for all of it. It's cheaper to the customer to spend more money, and so the TAMs are larger there. If you look at the memory side of things, if you look at the memory spend of the number of fabs that are coming out in the next five years, what percentage of budget is for their test budget, these are big numbers. The spend in burn-in probably total spend measured in multiple billions of dollars per year in the next couple of years on an annual basis. The question is, well, then, wait a minute. How come you guys aren't $500 million? The average actual price per unit time of wafer level is actually more expensive than package level. the average actual price per unit time of wafer level is actually more expensive than package level The yield pays for all of it. the yield pays for all of it It's cheaper to the customer to spend more money, and so the TAMs are larger there. it's cheaper to the customer to spend more money and so the tams are larger there If you look at the memory side of things, if you look at the memory spend of the number of fabs that are coming out in the next five years, what percentage of budget is for their test budget, these are big numbers. if you look at the memory side of things if you look at the memory spend of the number of fabs that are coming out in the next five years what percentage of budget is for their test budget these are big numbers The spend in burn-in probably total spend measured in multiple billions of dollars per year in the next couple of years on an annual basis. the spend in burn-in probably total spend measured in multiple billions of dollars per year in the next couple of years on an annual basis The question is, well, then, wait a minute. the question is well then wait a minute How come you guys aren't $500 million? how come you guys aren't $500 million The answer is, we think that we have a very good opportunity to significantly grow our package level and wafer level business across the biggest segments that are driving burn-in. One of the reasons we're leading with putting infrastructure and capacity in place to be able to have the conversations we're having with these customers, they're throwing out some really big numbers. Somebody, they're going to warn me, you're getting carried away here, but it's an awesome place to be, and it's not only silicon carbide for EVs where lots of people are wondering if the EVs are ever going to make it. As you guys know the history, it's like people got ahead of themselves, and I was even saying it. It's like, come on, you guys. We're not all going to be driving EVs. The answer is, we think that we have a very good opportunity to significantly grow our package level and wafer level business across the biggest segments that are driving burn-in. the answer is we think that we have a very good opportunity to significantly grow our package level and wafer level business across the biggest segments that are driving burn-in One of the reasons we're leading with putting infrastructure and capacity in place to be able to have the conversations we're having with these customers, they're throwing out some really big numbers. one of the reasons we're leading with putting infrastructure and capacity in place to be able to have the conversations we're having with these customers they're throwing out some really big numbers Somebody, they're going to warn me, you're getting carried away here, but it's an awesome place to be, and it's not only silicon carbide for EVs where lots of people are wondering if the EVs are ever going to make it. somebody they're going to warn me you're getting carried away here but it's an awesome place to be and it's not only silicon carbide for evs where lots of people are wondering if the evs are ever going to make it As you guys know the history, it's like people got ahead of themselves, and I was even saying it. as you guys know the history it's like people got ahead of themselves and i was even saying it It's like, come on, you guys. it's like come on you guys We're not all going to be driving EVs. we're not all going to be driving evs The TAMs in these segments are significantly larger than anything we ever talked about on the power semiconductor side. The TAMs in these segments are significantly larger than anything we ever talked about on the power semiconductor side. the tams in these segments are significantly larger than anything we ever talked about on the power semiconductor side
Speaker 2: Great. That gives me enough to work with. No other questions. Thanks, Gayn. Great. great That gives me enough to work with. that gives me enough to work with No other questions. no other questions Thanks, Gayn. thanks gayn
Speaker 3: Thanks, Christian. Thanks, Christian. thanks christian
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
Speaker 8: The next question comes from Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please proceed, Max. The next question comes from Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets. the next question comes from max michaelis with lake street capital markets Please proceed, Max. please proceed max
Speaker 7: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I want to start out here. We look at the demand environment from the package level and wafer level. Demand seems strong on both sides of the business here, but to me, it looks like wafer level is outpacing on the demand side and maybe the order side. Can you let me know if I'm wrong there? Anything else you can add as well? Hey, guys. hey guys Thanks for taking my questions. thanks for taking my questions First, I want to start out here. first, i want to start out here We look at the demand environment from the package level and wafer level. we look at the demand environment from the package level and wafer level Demand seems strong on both sides of the business here, but to me, it looks like wafer level is outpacing on the demand side and maybe the order side. demand seems strong on both sides of the business here but to me it looks like wafer level is outpacing on the demand side and maybe the order side Can you let me know if I'm wrong there? can you let me know if i'm wrong there Anything else you can add as well? anything else you can add as well
Speaker 3: The challenge with our business, and for all of our shareholders, is we know how to be lumpy. By having more markets and more customers, it can make it less lumpy. The ASP of a production order, a set, in wafer level burn-in, can be $10 million-$20 million in an order, let's say. Okay? Package level can be that big or bigger, too. Okay? When they come in, it looks like, oh, right now we see demand on both significant. Now, the engagement and the work to get a wafer level burn-in is definitely harder than package level. The obvious reason is, in many cases, we're already testing the part for the qual on our tool. So now they have to just say, "Oh, I need to buy a whole bunch of them and add automation and go to production." Does that make sense? The challenge with our business, and for all of our shareholders, is we know how to be lumpy. the challenge with our business and for all of our shareholders is we know how to be lumpy By having more markets and more customers, it can make it less lumpy. by having more markets and more customers it can make it less lumpy The ASP of a production order, a set, in wafer level burn-in, can be $10 million-$20 million in an order, let's say. the asp of a production order a set in wafer level burn-in can be $10 million-$20 million in an order let's say Okay? okay Package level can be that big or bigger, too. package level can be that big or bigger too Okay? okay When they come in, it looks like, oh, right now we see demand on both significant. when they come in it looks like oh right now we see demand on both significant Now, the engagement and the work to get a wafer level burn-in is definitely harder than package level. now the engagement and the work to get a wafer level burn-in is definitely harder than package level The obvious reason is, in many cases, we're already testing the part for the qual on our tool. the obvious reason is in many cases we're already testing the part for the qual on our tool So now they have to just say, "Oh, I need to buy a whole bunch of them and add automation and go to production." Does that make sense? so now they have to just say "oh i need to buy a whole bunch of them and add automation and go to production." does that make sense On wafer level, what we've found is that there's a learning process, by both sides a little bit, but to understand how they can use our tool to be able to test their part. In some cases, they're like, "Okay, I know if I just did this, it would make it a lot easier, but it's too late. I already taped out this part." That would be an example of this benchmark I'm in right now. It's like they're having to use some little fancier WaferPak to do it. If they just did some specific DFT, they could use a very simple WaferPak, the same WaferPak we're using for silicon photonics or silicon carbide and some of these others. Their vocabulary with us is, "Oh, I'll be able to do that for the next gen. On wafer level, what we've found is that there's a learning process, by both sides a little bit, but to understand how they can use our tool to be able to test their part. on wafer level what we've found is that there's a learning process by both sides a little bit but to understand how they can use our tool to be able to test their part In some cases, they're like, "Okay, I know if I just did this, it would make it a lot easier, but it's too late. in some cases they're like "okay i know if i just did this it would make it a lot easier but it's too late I already taped out this part." That would be an example of this benchmark I'm in right now. i already taped out this part." that would be an example of this benchmark i'm in right now It's like they're having to use some little fancier WaferPak to do it. it's like they're having to use some little fancier waferpak to do it If they just did some specific DFT, they could use a very simple WaferPak, the same WaferPak we're using for silicon photonics or silicon carbide and some of these others. if they just did some specific dft they could use a very simple waferpak the same waferpak we're using for silicon photonics or silicon carbide and some of these others Their vocabulary with us is, "Oh, I'll be able to do that for the next gen. their vocabulary with us is "oh i'll be able to do that for the next gen Can you just work around it with the current one?" Well, that's kind of harder. The other one, as I mentioned, I don't want to get a little too carried away. I get pretty techy on these things, but we had a miscommunication on the clocks, which is something really simple, candidly. If you do them wrong, it doesn't work. We've had to jury-rig some stuff to actually get it to work, and we're going to spin it to make it work. Nobody's freaking out about it because this isn't rocket science, but it would be something we would never mess up again with that customer because we now both have the same vocabulary. Second one is always easier. There's a little bit more startup thing with the wafer level burn-in. Can you just work around it with the current one?" Well, that's kind of harder. can you just work around it with the current one?" well that's kind of harder The other one, as I mentioned, I don't want to get a little too carried away. the other one as i mentioned i don't want to get a little too carried away I get pretty techy on these things, but we had a miscommunication on the clocks, which is something really simple, candidly. i get pretty techy on these things but we had a miscommunication on the clocks which is something really simple candidly If you do them wrong, it doesn't work. if you do them wrong it doesn't work We've had to jury-rig some stuff to actually get it to work, and we're going to spin it to make it work. we've had to jury-rig some stuff to actually get it to work and we're going to spin it to make it work Nobody's freaking out about it because this isn't rocket science, but it would be something we would never mess up again with that customer because we now both have the same vocabulary. nobody's freaking out about it because this isn't rocket science but it would be something we would never mess up again with that customer because we now both have the same vocabulary Second one is always easier. second one is always easier There's a little bit more startup thing with the wafer level burn-in. there's a little bit more startup thing with the wafer level burn-in If you're technically astute and engaged and you look at it, you're not going, "Oh, this isn't going to work." You just go, "Okay, gosh, that's too bad. Okay, now let's keep going." There's a learning process. We're getting faster at it. I think over time, wafer level burn-in, like the silicon carbide or the silicon photonics customer we won this last quarter, it was just, yes. There was no on-wafer benchmark. It went from, "Can you do it?" to, "How fast can you deliver?" Okay? I think that is a natural progression. You'll see it in our package level, and you'll see it in our wafer level over time, where customers will engage, they'll know we can do it, and they'll just say, "Let's go." [audio distortion]? If you're technically astute and engaged and you look at it, you're not going, "Oh, this isn't going to work." You just go, "Okay, gosh, that's too bad. if you're technically astute and engaged and you look at it you're not going "oh this isn't going to work." you just go "okay gosh that's too bad Okay, now let's keep going." There's a learning process. okay now let's keep going." there's a learning process We're getting faster at it. we're getting faster at it I think over time, wafer level burn-in, like the silicon carbide or the silicon photonics customer we won this last quarter, it was just, yes. i think over time wafer level burn-in like the silicon carbide or the silicon photonics customer we won this last quarter it was just yes There was no on-wafer benchmark. there was no on-wafer benchmark It went from, "Can you do it?" to, "How fast can you deliver?" Okay? it went from "can you do it?" to "how fast can you deliver?" okay I think that is a natural progression. i think that is a natural progression You'll see it in our package level, and you'll see it in our wafer level over time, where customers will engage, they'll know we can do it, and they'll just say, "Let's go." [audio distortion]? you'll see it in our package level and you'll see it in our wafer level over time where customers will engage they'll know we can do it and they'll just say "let's go." [audio distortion]
Speaker 7: No. Perfect. Thank you. That's it for me. Thank you. No. no Perfect. perfect Thank you. thank you That's it for me. that's it for me Thank you. thank you
Speaker 3: Thanks, Max. Thanks, Max. thanks max
Speaker 7: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
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Speaker 5: Hi, Gayn. Your contract manufacturer that you're starting up, when does that start, and when will it be fully capable of doing your 20 Sonomas a month? Hi, Gayn. hi gayn Your contract manufacturer that you're starting up, when does that start, and when will it be fully capable of doing your 20 Sonomas a month? your contract manufacturer that you're starting up when does that start and when will it be fully capable of doing your 20 sonomas a month
Speaker 3: They're in the process of building the first batch. I would say is the best way of looking at it. It's a little more complicated than the way I described, but there's actually two contract manufacturers together, and then one feeds into the other one. The one that feeds into the other one did their prototypes. They sent it to us. We were going through a kind of an acceptance process to validate it, to work out any kinks. Then those go to the other contract manufacturer for final system integration and shipping. The other one is when we were out there. We visited them last September, I think. We did kind of an audit of facility power infrastructure and cleanliness, and they did a kind of a remodel similar to ours, if people have seen it. They're in the process of building the first batch. they're in the process of building the first batch I would say is the best way of looking at it. i would say is the best way of looking at it It's a little more complicated than the way I described, but there's actually two contract manufacturers together, and then one feeds into the other one. it's a little more complicated than the way i described but there's actually two contract manufacturers together and then one feeds into the other one The one that feeds into the other one did their prototypes. the one that feeds into the other one did their prototypes They sent it to us. they sent it to us We were going through a kind of an acceptance process to validate it, to work out any kinks. we were going through a kind of an acceptance process to validate it to work out any kinks Then those go to the other contract manufacturer for final system integration and shipping. then those go to the other contract manufacturer for final system integration and shipping The other one is when we were out there. the other one is when we were out there We visited them last September, I think. we visited them last september i think We did kind of an audit of facility power infrastructure and cleanliness, and they did a kind of a remodel similar to ours, if people have seen it. we did kind of an audit of facility power infrastructure and cleanliness and they did a kind of a remodel similar to ours if people have seen it It's all white and fancy, clean floors, more clean room space so that we can actually build these things in a clean room area. They had facilities. They were doing some stuff for solar, as it turns out. We were able to leverage from that. That is in place now, and we think first products would be ready to ship to customers this quarter, through May. What we want to make sure is they're ready to go by late summer, when we see this Sonoma ramp hitting. It's all white and fancy, clean floors, more clean room space so that we can actually build these things in a clean room area. it's all white and fancy clean floors more clean room space so that we can actually build these things in a clean room area They had facilities. they had facilities They were doing some stuff for solar, as it turns out. they were doing some stuff for solar as it turns out We were able to leverage from that. we were able to leverage from that That is in place now, and we think first products would be ready to ship to customers this quarter, through May. that is in place now and we think first products would be ready to ship to customers this quarter through may What we want to make sure is they're ready to go by late summer, when we see this Sonoma ramp hitting. what we want to make sure is they're ready to go by late summer when we see this sonoma ramp hitting
Speaker 5: Right. That was the root of my question. Are you keeping any capacity? Are you planning on producing those systems in Fremont as well? Or is it? Right. right That was the root of my question. that was the root of my question Are you keeping any capacity? are you keeping any capacity Are you planning on producing those systems in Fremont as well? are you planning on producing those systems in fremont as well Or is it? or is it
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, for sure. This is in addition to. We've kind of talked about a 20 system per month capacity here from an infrastructure and footprint perspective. We'd actually still need to hire some more people, maybe take on a shift. We'll use that facility for large volume orders of the same SKU, if you will, make it simple, and then we'll continue to make Sonoma systems here, and all of the XPs will be built out of here, all the FOX products. Oh, yes, for sure. oh yes for sure This is in addition to. this is in addition to We've kind of talked about a 20 system per month capacity here from an infrastructure and footprint perspective. we've kind of talked about a 20 system per month capacity here from an infrastructure and footprint perspective We'd actually still need to hire some more people, maybe take on a shift. we'd actually still need to hire some more people maybe take on a shift We'll use that facility for large volume orders of the same SKU, if you will, make it simple, and then we'll continue to make Sonoma systems here, and all of the XPs will be built out of here, all the FOX products. we'll use that facility for large volume orders of the same sku if you will make it simple and then we'll continue to make sonoma systems here and all of the xps will be built out of here all the fox products
Speaker 5: Great. Did I hear you say that your first expected XP sales to an HBM customer will be this calendar year or next fiscal year, 2027? Great. great Did I hear you say that your first expected XP sales to an HBM customer will be this calendar year or next fiscal year, 2027? did i hear you say that your first expected xp sales to an hbm customer will be this calendar year or next fiscal year 2027
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't quite say anything. I was a little more elusive than that on purpose. What I will tell you is that we have identified some interesting opportunities with HBM, probably the new 4E, that it has some interesting challenges that people would really like to do this wafer-level burn-in on. Between our FOX system as it stands and the roadmap that we've been working on, as people know, with a team of people here for a memory extension to the FOX system to add what we would call channel modules into the FOX that make it memory-focused, we think that there's some real overlap there. That just, as you know, Larry, you follow this a lot, that's an uptick. Okay? I thought HBM. Yeah, I didn't quite say anything. yeah i didn't quite say anything I was a little more elusive than that on purpose. i was a little more elusive than that on purpose What I will tell you is that we have identified some interesting opportunities with HBM, probably the new 4E, that it has some interesting challenges that people would really like to do this wafer-level burn-in on. what i will tell you is that we have identified some interesting opportunities with hbm probably the new 4e that it has some interesting challenges that people would really like to do this wafer-level burn-in on Between our FOX system as it stands and the roadmap that we've been working on, as people know, with a team of people here for a memory extension to the FOX system to add what we would call channel modules into the FOX that make it memory-focused, we think that there's some real overlap there. between our fox system as it stands and the roadmap that we've been working on as people know with a team of people here for a memory extension to the fox system to add what we would call channel modules into the fox that make it memory-focused we think that there's some real overlap there That just, as you know, Larry, you follow this a lot, that's an uptick. that just as you know larry you follow this a lot that's an uptick Okay? okay I thought HBM. i thought hbm
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Speaker 3: I kind of passed flash. I kind of passed flash. i kind of passed flash
Speaker 5: I would. I would. i would
Speaker 3: It is in parallel with flash now. It is in parallel with flash now. it is in parallel with flash now
Speaker 5: I would say that would be an uptick. Yep, I agree. I would say that would be an uptick. i would say that would be an uptick Yep, I agree. yep i agree
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Speaker 5: A little bit of an uptick. A little bit of an uptick. a little bit of an uptick
Speaker 3: An order would be a good uptick. I'll agree with you, but right now I'm excited about the discussions. An order would be a good uptick. an order would be a good uptick I'll agree with you, but right now I'm excited about the discussions. i'll agree with you but right now i'm excited about the discussions
Speaker 5: Yep. The flash engagement, do you think that'll bear fruit on the enterprise side here shortly, before HBF gets underway, the effort that you're going to have on that front? Yep. yep The flash engagement, do you think that'll bear fruit on the enterprise side here shortly, before HBF gets underway, the effort that you're going to have on that front? the flash engagement do you think that'll bear fruit on the enterprise side here shortly before hbf gets underway the effort that you're going to have on that front
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I think it really is up to the customer. Kind of the timing of what we would build would be something that would be a superset that could do both. Yes, if HBF were delayed a little bit, maybe we would intercept their standard product. They've asked us to build it. The definition discussion has been to do both. In some ways, HBF is easier, okay? Because if you start saying it's all flash, a lot of times what happens is people say, "Well, I want to be able to test everything I've ever had before." Then as the interfaces evolve, they tend to converge in voltages and speed or whatever. If you say, "Well, I want legacy," it's like, well, okay, I've got to support this old voltage or something on a device you don't make anymore. That's a good question. that's a good question I think it really is up to the customer. i think it really is up to the customer Kind of the timing of what we would build would be something that would be a superset that could do both. kind of the timing of what we would build would be something that would be a superset that could do both Yes, if HBF were delayed a little bit, maybe we would intercept their standard product. yes if hbf were delayed a little bit maybe we would intercept their standard product They've asked us to build it. they've asked us to build it The definition discussion has been to do both. the definition discussion has been to do both In some ways, HBF is easier, okay? in some ways hbf is easier okay Because if you start saying it's all flash, a lot of times what happens is people say, "Well, I want to be able to test everything I've ever had before." Then as the interfaces evolve, they tend to converge in voltages and speed or whatever. because if you start saying it's all flash a lot of times what happens is people say "well i want to be able to test everything i've ever had before." then as the interfaces evolve they tend to converge in voltages and speed or whatever If you say, "Well, I want legacy," it's like, well, okay, I've got to support this old voltage or something on a device you don't make anymore. if you say "well i want legacy," it's like well okay i've got to support this old voltage or something on a device you don't make anymore Part of the challenge for us is to try and kind of converge on what do you really need going forward? Where are you going to spend the money? They'll probably never buy a system for legacy products from us in general. I think that's one of the challenges we get to work through. Part of the challenge for us is to try and kind of converge on what do you really need going forward? part of the challenge for us is to try and kind of converge on what do you really need going forward Where are you going to spend the money? where are you going to spend the money They'll probably never buy a system for legacy products from us in general. they'll probably never buy a system for legacy products from us in general I think that's one of the challenges we get to work through. i think that's one of the challenges we get to work through
Speaker 5: Well, that's all I had. Boy, you got a lot of irons in the fire. Well, that's all I had. well that's all i had Boy, you got a lot of irons in the fire. boy you got a lot of irons in the fire
Speaker 3: It is. It is. it is
Speaker 5: Besides. Besides. besides
Speaker 3: It is so much fun, you guys. I'm telling you. Yeah. Vernon and Alberto and the R&D teams and poor Nick and our WaferPak team is very busy right now. We're doing some things to offload that, adding additional resources. We're hiring. Anybody looking for a great job with a company that's growing, let us know. We've got a lot of recs out there, and we're looking for great people. So it's a. It is so much fun, you guys. it is so much fun you guys I'm telling you. i'm telling you Yeah. yeah Vernon and Alberto and the R&D teams and poor Nick and our WaferPak team is very busy right now. vernon and alberto and the r&d teams and poor nick and our waferpak team is very busy right now We're doing some things to offload that, adding additional resources. we're doing some things to offload that adding additional resources We're hiring. we're hiring Anybody looking for a great job with a company that's growing, let us know. anybody looking for a great job with a company that's growing let us know We've got a lot of recs out there, and we're looking for great people. So it's a. we've got a lot of recs out there and we're looking for great people. so it's a
Speaker 5: It sounds like it is a lot of fun, and congratulations. I know you've been working at it for a good while to get to this point. It sounds like it is a lot of fun, and congratulations. it sounds like it is a lot of fun and congratulations I know you've been working at it for a good while to get to this point. i know you've been working at it for a good while to get to this point
Speaker 3: Thanks, Larry. Thanks, Larry. thanks larry
Speaker 5: Take care. Take care. take care
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. thank you
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Speaker 3: something like that, but should work out. This will be a good thing for our customers, which honestly, that's the key to all of this. All right. Thank you very much, folks. Bye-bye. something like that, but should work out. something like that but should work out This will be a good thing for our customers, which honestly, that's the key to all of this. this will be a good thing for our customers which honestly that's the key to all of this All right. all right Thank you very much, folks. thank you very much folks Bye-bye. bye-bye
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