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AAON, INC. — Call Transcript 2026
Jun 2, 2026
All right. Why don't we get started, everyone? Thanks for being here. This is the AAON presentation. I'm Ryan Merkel. I cover building products at William Blair. Before we begin, I need to remind you that a complete list of disclosures and conflicts of interest is available on our website. With us today is Matt Tobolski, CEO, and Andy Cheung, CFO. Andy joined the company in April. Andy is very new. AAON is a leading OEM of premium equipment for the light commercial and data center markets. The company wins by designing custom solutions that deliver superior total cost of ownership. We believe AAON will be one of the fastest-growing companies in our coverage list the next few years. I'm going to turn it over to Matt, who's going to do a few minutes of introduction. We're going to do a fireside chat format. Matt? Fantastic. Yeah. Thanks, Ryan. Just kind of at a high level in really talking about AAON as a business, we really run the business through two brands. The AAON brand, which is really the legacy of the business, and the BASX brand, which is where all the data center exposure comes into play. Both sides of the business have a common theme, which is really selling semi-custom and custom solutions that provide a total cost of ownership, a value sales conversation to our owner base. On the rooftop side of the business, we do that on the AAON brand through a highly configurable software platform that allows us to really fine-tune selections for commercial rooftop units, to maximize performance for a given owner's application. That really resonates with the owner operators. 25% of our revenue comes from the K-12 market. A lot of the growth that we're seeing in the AAON side of the business, obviously, we have the anchor, the core of the business and our transactional side of the business. Over the last two years, we put a lot of investment into a national account strategy to really capitalize on that value proposition that we're selling into the national account market. Think everything from healthcare markets to big box retail to warehouse and distribution centers. We've seen a lot of good momentum that is really providing some outsized growth and market share acquisition on the rooftop side of the business, coupled with a recovering, kind of more traditional light commercial market. It's providing a lot of good growth in 2026 and beyond. On the BASX side of the business, obviously, I think we can all acknowledge the dynamic growth inside the data center space. The BASX brand really goes to market with a customization aspect of it, which is really focused on providing a fit-for-purpose solution for our customers. That really resonates with large hyperscale and large developers of co-location and neocloud facilities. We've seen a tremendous amount of growth and a lot of resonation with that value proposition, with dynamic growth inside the BASX side of the world and capitalizing on good demand in the data center space. The biggest piece of where we've focused in the last 12 months has been beyond just the product side of it. It's really about building out the platform to operate at scale. We rewind the clock 4.5 years ago, when AAON was primarily a single-site manufacturer out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. We've gone from 2 million square feet or under 2 million square feet of factory space to over 4 million square feet of space in four years. We've gone from 2,000 employees to 7,000 employees, and really seen very aggressive growth inside both sides of the business. A lot of the work that we've been focused on over the last 12 months is really a natural evolution of this business to operate at that scale, that we've invested heavily in our operations and our supply chain teams, bringing on Andy on board from a finance and really building out capabilities to really enhance the operating discipline and allow this business to thrive, not just today, but far into the future with a much better and tighter operating discipline. All right. Fantastic. Matt, why don't we start with a question on the macro? What's your outlook for the light commercial market in 2026, and do you expect AAON to outperform that market? Yeah. We've definitely seen signs of recovery inside the commercial [audio distortion] market. I would start off by saying, just looking at 2025, kind of coming into 2026, but 2025, we had volumes that were down, but relative to the overall market, were down nowhere near as much as the rest of the market. We saw good, strong outperformance in 2025, at the kind of light commercial side of the business. As we exited 2025, and we talked about this a little bit on the Q1 call, we've continued to see more and more conversations in our traditional transactional type business. That's your more, your everyday light commercial market. The amount of new prospects that our sales channel partners are bringing forward continue to accelerate, we continue to see more and more opportunities coming forth. If you asked me this in Q3 to Q4, I'd say there were signs of life, but we weren't seeing that convert to actual bookings. I would say in Q1, we saw a lot of that inertia really start translating into strength in bookings, and we are seeing signs of basically a recovery, not a fast recovery, but we're seeing signs of momentum in the right direction on the light commercial market. Definitely are seeing an outperformance in our side with bookings in that transactional market relative to the greater market as a whole. We see 2026 as being a good, strong recovery year for the AAON side of the business, the AAON brand of the business, and definitely see it being a market share gap for you. Okay, that's great. Great to hear. Let's talk about the last quarter. AAON had production issues in 2025 and a little bit in the first quarter of 2026. Are those issues behind you, and what has changed? When we look at the production issues of 2025 and kind of what was in front of us at 2026, and I just want to kind of start off by saying they're different in kind of what they were. 2025, some of the production issues, 2025 had a lot of noise. I mean, I'm just going to be very open on the AAON side of the business. There was a lot of noise in 2025. We were coming out of the EPA-mandated refrigerant transition, which caused a lot of noise in our bookings cadence in 2024 and 2025. That caused a lot of pressure in the first half of the year on the AAON side of the business. That was exacerbated by just supply chain constraints as our supply base changed to a new refrigerant and all the components. We had a lot of noise at the beginning of the year. We went live with an ERP, which caused some disruption in our coil production down in our Longview site, which caused kind of reduced capacity and throughput in our Longview site; it also bled into our Tulsa site, given our internal supply of coil from Longview to Tulsa. We had a lot of basically operational noise kind of throughout 2025. Coming out of the year, a lot of that momentum was in the right direction, there were still pockets of noise. In 2026, I would just start off by saying Q1 of 2026 on the AAON side, in the Oklahoma side of the business, we had really good strength. We were running record run rates inside of the Oklahoma segment. We came out of the back end of Q1, and the velocity and volume through Tulsa, Oklahoma, were at record high, things we had never done before as a company in volume. We've recovered well. Now, the question mark around the operational challenges comes to margin. The conversation on margin, we talked about this in the Q1 call, part of the margin pressure, about 200 basis points of depression in margin, was outsourcing. It was outsourcing because we were having to prioritize coil production in support of BASX product in Longview. That's because of our data center customers. We have tighter quality requirements to qualify vendors that makes multi-sourcing take more time. We had to prioritize internal capacity in support of BASX, which meant we outsourced AAON coil. That created a margin pressure in the AAON Oklahoma segment of the business. There was also some price-cost dynamics that we identified in Q3, Q4 of last year, and have already put pricing actions in place. We had some temporary constraints that certainly put some margin pressures on us. Going forward, we're definitely getting a lot of better-priced product flowing through the factory, which will show margin improvement. The coil outsourcing, though, will continue. That is just a dynamic of how much growth we're seeing. We updated our guidance on the Q1 call to a 40% year-over-year growth rate from a consolidated basis. That rate of growth is such that the internal coil capacity is not ramping quite as fast. We will leverage outsourcing in the near term to basically allow it to capture that volume. The net economic effect, the net earnings growth, is very reasonable to make those decisions. Okay. That's helpful. On gross margins, can you talk about what will be normalized gross margins for both the AAON business and BASX in the long term? From a long-term perspective, the AAON side of the business, that mid to high 30s range that we've gotten to in the past, is very much the target that we're driving back towards. There's going to be some good near to mid-term recovery on kind of margin from Q1 of this year throughout this year, and that's given the price cost dynamics I talked about that we have embedded in the backlog. The outsourcing definitely will cause some pressures on a little bit more of an extended basis. We don't necessarily expect to exit the year back at that on the Oklahoma segment, but certainly building momentum back towards that. On the BASX side of the business, the target margin profile that we talk about is more in that 30% range. Really, part of that constraint is just the rate of growth. The BASX side of the business has doubled last year, doubling this year, it doubled the year before that. That rate of growth has just put some pressure just on the execution of things that is pressuring margins. As we get more of this capacity to have its legs underneath it, there'll definitely be opportunity to make some intentional efforts to keep driving that forward. Well, let's shift and talk about data centers. On the last call, you raised your outlook for data centers to $1 billion. Talk about why demand is strong, and then is most of the growth for liquid cooling? Yeah. At a high level, the demand has been there. The demand certainly didn't materialize over the quarter. We've talked about this really over the last three quarters, and that is, we believe firmly in ensuring that what we sell, we deliver at the quality and delivery schedule that our customers expect. As we rapidly ramp up our facility capacity, it becomes an important balance for us to commit to orders that we can fulfill in the timeframe that we commit to. The Memphis site that we brought online, that was the first really large-scale investment that AAON has ever made from a new facility perspective. I guess you could say 1988, when the company was founded, that might have been the first. Since then, it's all been incremental expansions have been the primary growth driver of the facility expansions at AAON. Memphis, adding 800,000 square feet under roof, that was the first really big stair step that we've made as an organization. In that, it's very easy to get excited and try to go sell through that capacity. From a discipline standpoint, we've got to have surety of our ramp rate. We've got to make sure that we're bringing on that facility at the quality expectations that we have for ourselves. We have to make sure that we have confidence in the rate of growth that's going to come through there. Three quarters ago, when we talk about why didn't the backlog grow so much in Q3, Q2 of last year, it's because we weren't sure of exactly when that ramp was going to happen, and we wanted to get more runtime underneath it. As we got runtime in Q2 and Q3 into Q4, we knew now what we could sell and where that would convert to from a delivery perspective. That's what's allowed us to continue now capturing more and more of that demand. Really, that discipline, even through this growth with all this new production capacity coming online, it is that discipline that we will not stray from to make sure that we don't overcommit our capacity, and we do deliver what we say. What we've seen over the last couple of quarters is really that surety of supply that's allowed us to basically take on some more of these orders. As we continue getting more and more runtime and more and more visibility into how that facility and all of our facilities as a whole are ramping, it'll allow us to continue taking on more and more of those orders. What types of equipment are you mainly selling? Are you selling CDUs, fan walls? Are you selling chillers? Just give people a sense. It's broad-based, and I think that's the one thing I always in all the AI conversation, all of the liquid cooling conversation, to a certain extent, I feel like people forget that there still is a very large amount of demand for the traditional airside product that we built this business on in the first place. We continue to see very strong demand for the airside product that we've always manufactured. They go into both cloud data centers as well as AI data centers. Even a liquid cool data center, you're still going to have to buy 30%-40% of your capacity via air. You're still seeing that demand basically in the marketplace. The backlog growth that you see in Q1, it's actually relatively even with airside product, chiller product, and liquid cool product, kind of in that order, both for the quarter. Okay. Talk about the outlook for BASX growth the next couple of years. Obviously, '26 is pretty strong, but should we be penciling in like a 40%, 50% CAGR over the next few years? How should we think about it? Yeah, going back to the comment I made earlier, it really comes into how that capacity matures and comes online. When we look at Memphis today, really, maybe let's talk fleet-wide for a second. The Oregon site is relatively close to capacity. There's always a little bit of incremental capacity that we're going to be able to unlock, but Oregon, roughly in that $300 million range, that's what it is. You might see a little bit of growth out of that, but not a lot. Longview, certainly two years ago, a year ago, that was a lot of the growth that we saw as we brought on that new expansion. A lot of that Longview capacity coming online has really been some of that more last year of growth that you've seen on liquid cooling products. Even Longview, we haven't turned on all the production lines. There still are production lines that we can turn on, and there's still ability to run that facility with more shifts. That comes down to that facility continuing to mature. We see that continuing to grow throughout this year into next year, as we continue getting that operation really fine-tuned from an execution standpoint. There's some growth that you're going to see out of that. The biggest single site that's going to be the sort of uptick in capacity and really volume, that is the Memphis site. We're really only running one product through that today. We're doing that very intentionally because it's a brand-new site. We are focused on execution. As we get more runtime within that facility, we have four production lines that are sitting vacant right now. We've got four production lines that are sitting there ready to basically be turned on, and we will continue turning those on. You'll see some of those turn on towards the end of this year, more into next year. When we look at that ramp, we anticipate seeing basically a decent stair stepping capacity come online at the end of this year, another one next year, and then seeing more of a linear capacity ramp inside the Longview site. The rate of growth, we certainly haven't guided next year, but I would just say that continued strong growth rates, not 100%. You're not going to keep seeing that in the BASX side. Definitely, you're going to see meaningful growth coming through. How much data center revenue capacity do you have today? Yeah, in the BASX side of the business, we have over $2 billion of capacity sitting inside that fleet. Now, I always say it's not a light switch, so it's not like I can just walk in and say, "Here's $2 billion of revenue." We are ramping these new facilities, but inside these new facilities, we know we have at least $2 billion of capacity as a whole from the BASX brand. The big goal, though, is and really the challenge to our operations team is to really quantify how much more than $2 billion exists inside that investment. We were talking earlier, in one of our one-on-ones, discussing cash management and talking about inventory reduction. I joke that Andy looks at inventory reduction from a cash perspective. I look at inventory reduction actually as a lever to get more capacity. I say that because if you walk through a lot of our facilities, or especially our legacy facilities, you see racking all across the production floor. You see a lot of space taken up by storing inventory on our production floor. As we continue to evolve and we really invest heavily in a lean transformation effort inside of our fleet, one of our big objectives there in our lean transformation is actually a reduction in inventory to free up more production space. If I can free up in Tulsa, just one production line in Tulsa, that is a huge amount of incremental revenue capacity that we've just gained with relatively little investment dollars. That's a lot of the focus that we have is across all the fleet to say, "Hey, we've got $2 billion that we know on the BASX side of the business." The challenge is, let's figure out how much more. Let's figure out what those rocks are that are in the way of that, and let's make much smaller incremental investments and actually drive as much volume to our existing investments as possible. Yep. Great. Who would you consider your top competitors for liquid cooling? Yeah, I would say out of the gate, if anyone walked through any data center show and walked down an exhibit center, you're going to see CDUs from everybody and their brother. There are CDUs everywhere out there. I always start off by saying, just because everyone makes a CDU doesn't mean we're competing. I mean that the same way I would say it on the AAON rooftop units. We don't go after every type of data center. We don't go after every project on a rooftop unit because we know where the value proposition resonates and where it doesn't. When we think about where we go after and what are we focused on from a CDU perspective, we are not focused on selling a 500 kW commoditized CDU. That is not even in the product roadmap. That's not a focus of where we go. We're talking about highly customized solutions for hyperscale operators. We're talking about large capacity CDUs, not in the kilowatts, but in the megawatts, in 2, 4, 5, 6 MW CDUs. That tends to be where we focus. In that space, while we may walk through a data center hall and see from a trade show perspective, 100 manufacturers of CDUs, there's only maybe 5 or 10 of those that truly are doing what we're doing inside that space. That's the likes we see to a certain extent, Motivair, we see certainly some on the Modine side of the business, a little bit on the Vertiv side. We certainly see some of the big players kind of in that space. I would also say the vast majority of CDU liquid cooling manufacturers we see, we're not really competing from a product perspective. Got it. All right, let's transition and talk about the ERP implementation. What is the game plan by location, and can you comment on Longview? Is that back to normal operations or not yet? At a high level on the ERP side of things, we talked about this. We basically said, "Hey, we're pressing pause on additional sites right now." The reason we're pressing pause is because the rate of growth, we updated guidance from high teens to 40% growth rate this calendar year. That is a market increase in the overall top-line revenue that we're going to push through our facilities. We made the decision to say, we're going to pause kind of scheduling other ERP go lives given that rate of growth. We want operational focus to be on execution, and don't want to add any additional noise into that with additional go-lives. Where we sit today, we're live in Longview, we're live in Memphis. The intended next site would be Oregon, and then after that would be Tulsa, but we really have no date assigned to those next two go-live. The focus is to make sure this system is not only allowing us to run as fast as we want to in Longview and in Memphis, but also to put the additional work in right now, in adding some additional features that weren't part of the additional go-live strategy. If we rewind the clock a few years ago, the whole philosophy was we're going to go live, get all of our sites live, and then add some additional enhancements along the way. What we've actually come to the realization on is those enhancements are actually pretty essential to how we want to operate. We're going to basically focus on getting some of those additional enhancements in place in Longview and in Memphis, have all that vetted to ensure we're operating properly, and really drive as much velocity through those sites before we even have a conversation on a Longview or on a Tulsa or a Redmond. Makes sense. Okay. Let's transition and talk about the rooftop business. What is your price premium today versus your competitors who sell standard equipment? Is that allowing you to take market share if it's a lower premium in the industry? I always want to start off by saying there's a range of what we say standard equipment. The reason I say that is when we talk price premium, we're talking to our closest competitor, kind of in that more catalog product. I say that out of the gate to say there are products you can buy for 20%, 30% less than an AAON rooftop, but the feature set is nowhere near the same. I mean, it's an apples-and-oranges conversation. When we talk about this 10-ish% premium that we sit at today, that's relative to, I'll say, a relatively close competitor that still is not doing everything that we do. In that case, we're selling those competitors, or sorry, against those competitors, really around the energy efficiency. We're selling it on the durability and longevity of the cabinet, on the ability to configure more for indoor air quality requirements, as well as just the life cycle of the product as a whole. We kind of do that math to show that that 10% premium for an owner/operator is more than paid for within a relatively short period of time. There definitely is the focus on the value sale, the value proposition, and where we sit today, with that premium, we continue to see our ability to take market share. Obviously, you're seeing that in the numbers. That's what I would expect, yeah. You're seeing us be able to take that, and that 10% premium certainly is seeming to be a pretty good kind of area. We probably dipped into the 7% for a bit there, and kind of have had some price discipline pushing it back up. Okay. Talk about that Alpha Class cold climate heat pump. What is unique about it, and how is it helping you unlock a national account opportunity? The Alpha Class product, out of the gate, it's not just one type of heat pump. The Alpha Class really is a 3-tiered heat pump solution for rooftops. We have the ECO, the PRO, and the EXTREME SERIES inside of the Alpha Class. I always want to clarify that to say the ECO SERIES, that is as close to a traditional heat pump that you buy from a competitor. The Alpha Class ECO SERIES, you're going to get basically a heat pump heating solution down to about 37 degrees Fahrenheit. That's the relatively standard heat pump solution. If I'm delivering a heat pump to, let's just say, a southern Florida market, that's all I need. When we move on to the PRO SERIES, the PRO SERIES provides heating down to zero degrees Fahrenheit outdoor ambient temperatures, and the EXTREME SERIES goes all the way to a -20 degrees Fahrenheit heat pump operating condition. It's a platform, basically, of three series of products that provide electric heating inside a heat pump solution. Why that's important for a national account is a national account owner doesn't have all of their sites in one geographic region. A national account owner is talking about geographic diversity across the country. If we want to go in and talk hypothetically to a big box retailer who has sites from the northern border down to the southern border, it doesn't make sense for me to try to sell that customer the EXTREME SERIES product that works in northern climates down in the southern climate. It doesn't make any sense from a price point standpoint. Having that full platform of the ECO, PRO and EXTREME SERIES, it allows us to go in there with one of the national account customers and be able to provide a platform that is right-sized for the various geographic regions, that you're optimizing your price efficiency in a southern climate relative to a northern climate, but still getting the benefit of the overall heat pump solution. It's been something we've seen resonate really well with our national accounts. I would also say that the success that we have in national accounts, it's not limited. We're not selling just heat pumps into the national accounts. Our traditional units are also seeing tremendous success in the national accounts. Yes, we're seeing great benefit of the Alpha Class product helping us get in with national accounts, but by no means are we only winning national accounts because of heat pumps. Got it. All right. My next question is a little more open-ended. What investments are you making, excluding the ERP, to help professionalize the business? I feel like that's maybe underappreciated by investors. Maybe Andy can pitch in as well, if he's got some thoughts. I'll start at a high level. Andy, you can deeply dive into the finance side. I made the comment earlier that 4.5 years ago, AAON was really a single-site, multi-location company. That's the way it was run, that's the way it operated. 4.5 years ago, at roughly $500, I think, $20 million of revenue, to this year, we're talking about $2 billion of revenue. It's a markedly different company. Much more footprint, much more people inside the organization, much more sophisticated customer. Data center customers have a level of sophistication in buying that is much different than a transactional rooftop unit customer. The business is fundamentally different than it was 4.5, five years ago. The demands on the business, the complexity of operations, everything is markedly different. I've been in this seat, I guess, 12.5 months now, and in that 12.5 months, the real focus has been to not just build this organization to be successful today, but to maintain this momentum that we have and allow us to really succeed five years, 10 years down the road. When we talk about $2 billion this year, and we think about a $3 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion kind of organization, we've got to run it differently. In the last 12 months, we've been very focused on evolving this organization. I would say transform has a little bit of a kind of four-letter word kind of connotation to it, because AAON was tremendously successful. AAON built a great business, and this is a natural evolution. It's not something was broken in AAON, it's just the growth and the success that we've had is fundamentally changing the way we need to lead this business. We're evolving the organization to be successful. 12 months ago, we didn't have a supply chain department at AAON. We had a purchasing department at AAON. We bought based on whatever someone told us we needed. We didn't have long-term contracts. We didn't do strategic sourcing. We've built out in the last 12 months from the ground up, a true professional supply chain organization that is unlocking a tremendous amount of value in not just cost savings, but cost avoidance in inflationary markets. Beyond that, we're getting a lot better supply surety. We're getting vendor scorecards, and vendor management is getting much more sophisticated so that we know that when I say I need a part, that part's going to show up. On the operations side, we've built out and really rethought the way that we run operations. We've brought in a true focus on lean manufacturing and building best-in-class multi-site manufacturing model. We didn't have, 12 months ago, a robust KPI set for operating a 5-site manufacturing organization. You can't fix what you can't measure. I mean, a very simple principle. You've got to measure it to be able to fix it and improve it. We've been very disciplined on building out operational discipline and cadence, and really have invested heavily in bringing in top-tier talent to help transform this. Lean manufacturing wasn't a thing that was talked about at AAON 12 months ago. We're seeing on our highest volume line in Tulsa, which is our 30-ton line in Tulsa, we ran through a series of eight Kaizen events over the last, starting back in November. We increased volume 20% on that line and reduced the work on that line just through eight lean initiatives. Just very simple, focused, low-hanging fruit type opportunities. We're driving that throughout the organization and then bringing in finance to then connect all the dots and understand what to focus on to drive the most value. Yeah, absolutely. I would say, I have a background in automotive, industrial. What AAON did in the last decade was incredible, but we are just really scratching on the surface in terms of the efficiency, the optimization. There's a lot to be gained here. Really investing in people, the training, and then the process. That's what I see is the opportunity lie ahead of AAON right now. If you just go back to the story about Matt and I look at inventory maybe a little bit differently, right? Matt is thinking about growth. I'm thinking about maximizing cash, minimizing risk. That kind of complementary views, and now we're investing in people connecting the dots, is where we think that is the next return on investment. Fantastic. Well, we're out of time. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 3: All right. Why don't we get started, everyone? Thanks for being here. This is the AAON presentation. I'm Ryan Merkel. I cover building products at William Blair. Before we begin, I need to remind you that a complete list of disclosures and conflicts of interest is available on our website. With us today is Matt Tobolski, CEO, and Andy Cheung, CFO. Andy joined the company in April. Andy is very new. AAON is a leading OEM of premium equipment for the light commercial and data center markets. All right. all right Why don't we get started, everyone? why don't we get started everyone Thanks for being here. thanks for being here This is the AAON presentation. this is the aaon presentation I'm Ryan Merkel. i'm ryan merkel I cover building products at William Blair. i cover building products at william blair Before we begin, I need to remind you that a complete list of disclosures and conflicts of interest is available on our website. before we begin i need to remind you that a complete list of disclosures and conflicts of interest is available on our website With us today is Matt Tobolski, CEO, and Andy Cheung, CFO. with us today is matt tobolski ceo and andy cheung cfo Andy joined the company in April. andy joined the company in april Andy is very new. andy is very new AAON is a leading OEM of premium equipment for the light commercial and data center markets. aaon is a leading oem of premium equipment for the light commercial and data center markets The company wins by designing custom solutions that deliver superior total cost of ownership. We believe AAON will be one of the fastest-growing companies in our coverage list the next few years. I'm going to turn it over to Matt, who's going to do a few minutes of introduction. We're going to do a fireside chat format. Matt? The company wins by designing custom solutions that deliver superior total cost of ownership. the company wins by designing custom solutions that deliver superior total cost of ownership We believe AAON will be one of the fastest-growing companies in our coverage list the next few years. we believe aaon will be one of the fastest-growing companies in our coverage list the next few years I'm going to turn it over to Matt, who's going to do a few minutes of introduction. i'm going to turn it over to matt who's going to do a few minutes of introduction We're going to do a fireside chat format. we're going to do a fireside chat format Matt? matt
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Yeah. Thanks, Ryan. Just kind of at a high level in really talking about AAON as a business, we really run the business through two brands. The AAON brand, which is really the legacy of the business, and the BASX brand, which is where all the data center exposure comes into play. Both sides of the business have a common theme, which is really selling semi-custom and custom solutions that provide a total cost of ownership, a value sales conversation to our owner base. On the rooftop side of the business, we do that on the AAON brand through a highly configurable software platform that allows us to really fine-tune selections for commercial rooftop units, to maximize performance for a given owner's application. That really resonates with the owner operators. 25% of our revenue comes from the K-12 market. Fantastic. fantastic Yeah. yeah Thanks, Ryan. thanks ryan Just kind of at a high level in really talking about AAON as a business, we really run the business through two brands. just kind of at a high level in really talking about aaon as a business we really run the business through two brands The AAON brand, which is really the legacy of the business, and the BASX brand, which is where all the data center exposure comes into play. the aaon brand which is really the legacy of the business and the basx brand which is where all the data center exposure comes into play Both sides of the business have a common theme, which is really selling semi-custom and custom solutions that provide a total cost of ownership, a value sales conversation to our owner base. both sides of the business have a common theme which is really selling semi-custom and custom solutions that provide a total cost of ownership a value sales conversation to our owner base On the rooftop side of the business, we do that on the AAON brand through a highly configurable software platform that allows us to really fine-tune selections for commercial rooftop units, to maximize performance for a given owner's application. on the rooftop side of the business we do that on the aaon brand through a highly configurable software platform that allows us to really fine-tune selections for commercial rooftop units to maximize performance for a given owner's application That really resonates with the owner operators. 25% of our revenue comes from the K-12 market. that really resonates with the owner operators 25% of our revenue comes from the k-12 market A lot of the growth that we're seeing in the AAON side of the business, obviously, we have the anchor, the core of the business and our transactional side of the business. Over the last two years, we put a lot of investment into a national account strategy to really capitalize on that value proposition that we're selling into the national account market. Think everything from healthcare markets to big box retail to warehouse and distribution centers. We've seen a lot of good momentum that is really providing some outsized growth and market share acquisition on the rooftop side of the business, coupled with a recovering, kind of more traditional light commercial market. It's providing a lot of good growth in 2026 and beyond. A lot of the growth that we're seeing in the AAON side of the business, obviously, we have the anchor, the core of the business and our transactional side of the business. a lot of the growth that we're seeing in the aaon side of the business obviously we have the anchor the core of the business and our transactional side of the business Over the last two years, we put a lot of investment into a national account strategy to really capitalize on that value proposition that we're selling into the national account market. over the last two years we put a lot of investment into a national account strategy to really capitalize on that value proposition that we're selling into the national account market Think everything from healthcare markets to big box retail to warehouse and distribution centers. think everything from healthcare markets to big box retail to warehouse and distribution centers We've seen a lot of good momentum that is really providing some outsized growth and market share acquisition on the rooftop side of the business, coupled with a recovering, kind of more traditional light commercial market. we've seen a lot of good momentum that is really providing some outsized growth and market share acquisition on the rooftop side of the business coupled with a recovering kind of more traditional light commercial market It's providing a lot of good growth in 2026 and beyond. it's providing a lot of good growth in 2026 and beyond On the BASX side of the business, obviously, I think we can all acknowledge the dynamic growth inside the data center space. The BASX brand really goes to market with a customization aspect of it, which is really focused on providing a fit-for-purpose solution for our customers. That really resonates with large hyperscale and large developers of co-location and neocloud facilities. We've seen a tremendous amount of growth and a lot of resonation with that value proposition, with dynamic growth inside the BASX side of the world and capitalizing on good demand in the data center space. The biggest piece of where we've focused in the last 12 months has been beyond just the product side of it. It's really about building out the platform to operate at scale. On the BASX side of the business, obviously, I think we can all acknowledge the dynamic growth inside the data center space. on the basx side of the business obviously i think we can all acknowledge the dynamic growth inside the data center space The BASX brand really goes to market with a customization aspect of it, which is really focused on providing a fit-for-purpose solution for our customers. the basx brand really goes to market with a customization aspect of it which is really focused on providing a fit-for-purpose solution for our customers That really resonates with large hyperscale and large developers of co-location and neocloud facilities. that really resonates with large hyperscale and large developers of co-location and neocloud facilities We've seen a tremendous amount of growth and a lot of resonation with that value proposition, with dynamic growth inside the BASX side of the world and capitalizing on good demand in the data center space. we've seen a tremendous amount of growth and a lot of resonation with that value proposition with dynamic growth inside the basx side of the world and capitalizing on good demand in the data center space The biggest piece of where we've focused in the last 12 months has been beyond just the product side of it. the biggest piece of where we've focused in the last 12 months has been beyond just the product side of it It's really about building out the platform to operate at scale. it's really about building out the platform to operate at scale We rewind the clock 4.5 years ago, when AAON was primarily a single-site manufacturer out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. We've gone from 2 million square feet or under 2 million square feet of factory space to over 4 million square feet of space in four years. We've gone from 2,000 employees to 7,000 employees, and really seen very aggressive growth inside both sides of the business. We rewind the clock 4.5 years ago, when AAON was primarily a single-site manufacturer out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. we rewind the clock 4.5 years ago when aaon was primarily a single-site manufacturer out of tulsa oklahoma We've gone from 2 million square feet or under 2 million square feet of factory space to over 4 million square feet of space in four years. we've gone from 2 million square feet or under 2 million square feet of factory space to over 4 million square feet of space in four years We've gone from 2,000 employees to 7,000 employees, and really seen very aggressive growth inside both sides of the business. we've gone from 2,000 employees to 7,000 employees and really seen very aggressive growth inside both sides of the business A lot of the work that we've been focused on over the last 12 months is really a natural evolution of this business to operate at that scale, that we've invested heavily in our operations and our supply chain teams, bringing on Andy on board from a finance and really building out capabilities to really enhance the operating discipline and allow this business to thrive, not just today, but far into the future with a much better and tighter operating discipline. A lot of the work that we've been focused on over the last 12 months is really a natural evolution of this business to operate at that scale, that we've invested heavily in our operations and our supply chain teams, bringing on Andy on board from a finance and really building out capabilities to really enhance the operating discipline and allow this business to thrive, not just today, but far into the future with a much better and tighter operating discipline. a lot of the work that we've been focused on over the last 12 months is really a natural evolution of this business to operate at that scale that we've invested heavily in our operations and our supply chain teams bringing on andy on board from a finance and really building out capabilities to really enhance the operating discipline and allow this business to thrive not just today but far into the future with a much better and tighter operating discipline
Speaker 3: All right. Fantastic. Matt, why don't we start with a question on the macro? What's your outlook for the light commercial market in 2026, and do you expect AAON to outperform that market? All right. all right Fantastic. fantastic Matt, why don't we start with a question on the macro? matt why don't we start with a question on the macro What's your outlook for the light commercial market in 2026, and do you expect AAON to outperform that market? what's your outlook for the light commercial market in 2026 and do you expect aaon to outperform that market
Speaker 2: Yeah. We've definitely seen signs of recovery inside the commercial [audio distortion] market. I would start off by saying, just looking at 2025, kind of coming into 2026, but 2025, we had volumes that were down, but relative to the overall market, were down nowhere near as much as the rest of the market. We saw good, strong outperformance in 2025, at the kind of light commercial side of the business. As we exited 2025, and we talked about this a little bit on the Q1 call, we've continued to see more and more conversations in our traditional transactional type business. That's your more, your everyday light commercial market. The amount of new prospects that our sales channel partners are bringing forward continue to accelerate, we continue to see more and more opportunities coming forth. Yeah. yeah We've definitely seen signs of recovery inside the commercial [audio distortion] market. we've definitely seen signs of recovery inside the commercial [audio distortion] market I would start off by saying, just looking at 2025, kind of coming into 2026, but 2025, we had volumes that were down, but relative to the overall market, were down nowhere near as much as the rest of the market. i would start off by saying just looking at 2025 kind of coming into 2026 but 2025 we had volumes that were down but relative to the overall market were down nowhere near as much as the rest of the market We saw good, strong outperformance in 2025, at the kind of light commercial side of the business. we saw good strong outperformance in 2025 at the kind of light commercial side of the business As we exited 2025, and we talked about this a little bit on the Q1 call, we've continued to see more and more conversations in our traditional transactional type business. as we exited 2025 and we talked about this a little bit on the q1 call we've continued to see more and more conversations in our traditional transactional type business That's your more, your everyday light commercial market. that's your more your everyday light commercial market The amount of new prospects that our sales channel partners are bringing forward continue to accelerate, we continue to see more and more opportunities coming forth. the amount of new prospects that our sales channel partners are bringing forward continue to accelerate we continue to see more and more opportunities coming forth If you asked me this in Q3 to Q4, I'd say there were signs of life, but we weren't seeing that convert to actual bookings. I would say in Q1, we saw a lot of that inertia really start translating into strength in bookings, and we are seeing signs of basically a recovery, not a fast recovery, but we're seeing signs of momentum in the right direction on the light commercial market. Definitely are seeing an outperformance in our side with bookings in that transactional market relative to the greater market as a whole. We see 2026 as being a good, strong recovery year for the AAON side of the business, the AAON brand of the business, and definitely see it being a market share gap for you. If you asked me this in Q3 to Q4, I'd say there were signs of life, but we weren't seeing that convert to actual bookings. if you asked me this in q3 to q4 i'd say there were signs of life but we weren't seeing that convert to actual bookings I would say in Q1, we saw a lot of that inertia really start translating into strength in bookings, and we are seeing signs of basically a recovery, not a fast recovery, but we're seeing signs of momentum in the right direction on the light commercial market. i would say in q1 we saw a lot of that inertia really start translating into strength in bookings and we are seeing signs of basically a recovery not a fast recovery but we're seeing signs of momentum in the right direction on the light commercial market Definitely are seeing an outperformance in our side with bookings in that transactional market relative to the greater market as a whole. definitely are seeing an outperformance in our side with bookings in that transactional market relative to the greater market as a whole We see 2026 as being a good, strong recovery year for the AAON side of the business, the AAON brand of the business, and definitely see it being a market share gap for you. we see 2026 as being a good strong recovery year for the aaon side of the business the aaon brand of the business and definitely see it being a market share gap for you
Speaker 3: Okay, that's great. Great to hear. Let's talk about the last quarter. AAON had production issues in 2025 and a little bit in the first quarter of 2026. Are those issues behind you, and what has changed? Okay, that's great. okay that's great Great to hear. great to hear Let's talk about the last quarter. let's talk about the last quarter AAON had production issues in 2025 and a little bit in the first quarter of 2026. aaon had production issues in 2025 and a little bit in the first quarter of 2026 Are those issues behind you, and what has changed? are those issues behind you and what has changed
Speaker 2: When we look at the production issues of 2025 and kind of what was in front of us at 2026, and I just want to kind of start off by saying they're different in kind of what they were. 2025, some of the production issues, 2025 had a lot of noise. I mean, I'm just going to be very open on the AAON side of the business. There was a lot of noise in 2025. We were coming out of the EPA-mandated refrigerant transition, which caused a lot of noise in our bookings cadence in 2024 and 2025. That caused a lot of pressure in the first half of the year on the AAON side of the business. That was exacerbated by just supply chain constraints as our supply base changed to a new refrigerant and all the components. When we look at the production issues of 2025 and kind of what was in front of us at 2026, and I just want to kind of start off by saying they're different in kind of what they were. 2025, some of the production issues, 2025 had a lot of noise. when we look at the production issues of 2025 and kind of what was in front of us at 2026 and i just want to kind of start off by saying they're different in kind of what they were 2025 some of the production issues 2025 had a lot of noise I mean, I'm just going to be very open on the AAON side of the business. i mean i'm just going to be very open on the aaon side of the business There was a lot of noise in 2025. there was a lot of noise in 2025 We were coming out of the EPA-mandated refrigerant transition, which caused a lot of noise in our bookings cadence in 2024 and 2025. we were coming out of the epa-mandated refrigerant transition which caused a lot of noise in our bookings cadence in 2024 and 2025 That caused a lot of pressure in the first half of the year on the AAON side of the business. that caused a lot of pressure in the first half of the year on the aaon side of the business That was exacerbated by just supply chain constraints as our supply base changed to a new refrigerant and all the components. that was exacerbated by just supply chain constraints as our supply base changed to a new refrigerant and all the components We had a lot of noise at the beginning of the year. We went live with an ERP, which caused some disruption in our coil production down in our Longview site, which caused kind of reduced capacity and throughput in our Longview site; it also bled into our Tulsa site, given our internal supply of coil from Longview to Tulsa. We had a lot of basically operational noise kind of throughout 2025. Coming out of the year, a lot of that momentum was in the right direction, there were still pockets of noise. In 2026, I would just start off by saying Q1 of 2026 on the AAON side, in the Oklahoma side of the business, we had really good strength. We were running record run rates inside of the Oklahoma segment. We had a lot of noise at the beginning of the year. we had a lot of noise at the beginning of the year We went live with an ERP, which caused some disruption in our coil production down in our Longview site, which caused kind of reduced capacity and throughput in our Longview site; it also bled into our Tulsa site, given our internal supply of coil from Longview to Tulsa. we went live with an erp which caused some disruption in our coil production down in our longview site which caused kind of reduced capacity and throughput in our longview site it also bled into our tulsa site given our internal supply of coil from longview to tulsa We had a lot of basically operational noise kind of throughout 2025. we had a lot of basically operational noise kind of throughout 2025 Coming out of the year, a lot of that momentum was in the right direction, there were still pockets of noise. coming out of the year a lot of that momentum was in the right direction there were still pockets of noise In 2026, I would just start off by saying Q1 of 2026 on the AAON side, in the Oklahoma side of the business, we had really good strength. in 2026 i would just start off by saying q1 of 2026 on the aaon side in the oklahoma side of the business we had really good strength We were running record run rates inside of the Oklahoma segment. we were running record run rates inside of the oklahoma segment We came out of the back end of Q1, and the velocity and volume through Tulsa, Oklahoma, were at record high, things we had never done before as a company in volume. We've recovered well. Now, the question mark around the operational challenges comes to margin. The conversation on margin, we talked about this in the Q1 call, part of the margin pressure, about 200 basis points of depression in margin, was outsourcing. It was outsourcing because we were having to prioritize coil production in support of BASX product in Longview. That's because of our data center customers. We have tighter quality requirements to qualify vendors that makes multi-sourcing take more time. We had to prioritize internal capacity in support of BASX, which meant we outsourced AAON coil. That created a margin pressure in the AAON Oklahoma segment of the business. We came out of the back end of Q1, and the velocity and volume through Tulsa, Oklahoma, were at record high, things we had never done before as a company in volume. we came out of the back end of q1 and the velocity and volume through tulsa oklahoma were at record high things we had never done before as a company in volume We've recovered well. we've recovered well Now, the question mark around the operational challenges comes to margin. now the question mark around the operational challenges comes to margin The conversation on margin, we talked about this in the Q1 call, part of the margin pressure, about 200 basis points of depression in margin, was outsourcing. the conversation on margin we talked about this in the q1 call part of the margin pressure about 200 basis points of depression in margin was outsourcing It was outsourcing because we were having to prioritize coil production in support of BASX product in Longview. it was outsourcing because we were having to prioritize coil production in support of basx product in longview That's because of our data center customers. that's because of our data center customers We have tighter quality requirements to qualify vendors that makes multi-sourcing take more time. we have tighter quality requirements to qualify vendors that makes multi-sourcing take more time We had to prioritize internal capacity in support of BASX, which meant we outsourced AAON coil. we had to prioritize internal capacity in support of basx which meant we outsourced aaon coil That created a margin pressure in the AAON Oklahoma segment of the business. that created a margin pressure in the aaon oklahoma segment of the business There was also some price-cost dynamics that we identified in Q3, Q4 of last year, and have already put pricing actions in place. We had some temporary constraints that certainly put some margin pressures on us. Going forward, we're definitely getting a lot of better-priced product flowing through the factory, which will show margin improvement. The coil outsourcing, though, will continue. That is just a dynamic of how much growth we're seeing. We updated our guidance on the Q1 call to a 40% year-over-year growth rate from a consolidated basis. That rate of growth is such that the internal coil capacity is not ramping quite as fast. We will leverage outsourcing in the near term to basically allow it to capture that volume. The net economic effect, the net earnings growth, is very reasonable to make those decisions. There was also some price-cost dynamics that we identified in Q3, Q4 of last year, and have already put pricing actions in place. there was also some price-cost dynamics that we identified in q3 q4 of last year and have already put pricing actions in place We had some temporary constraints that certainly put some margin pressures on us. we had some temporary constraints that certainly put some margin pressures on us Going forward, we're definitely getting a lot of better-priced product flowing through the factory, which will show margin improvement. going forward we're definitely getting a lot of better-priced product flowing through the factory which will show margin improvement The coil outsourcing, though, will continue. the coil outsourcing though will continue That is just a dynamic of how much growth we're seeing. that is just a dynamic of how much growth we're seeing We updated our guidance on the Q1 call to a 40% year-over-year growth rate from a consolidated basis. we updated our guidance on the q1 call to a 40% year-over-year growth rate from a consolidated basis That rate of growth is such that the internal coil capacity is not ramping quite as fast. that rate of growth is such that the internal coil capacity is not ramping quite as fast We will leverage outsourcing in the near term to basically allow it to capture that volume. we will leverage outsourcing in the near term to basically allow it to capture that volume The net economic effect, the net earnings growth, is very reasonable to make those decisions. the net economic effect the net earnings growth is very reasonable to make those decisions
Speaker 3: Okay. That's helpful. On gross margins, can you talk about what will be normalized gross margins for both the AAON business and BASX in the long term? Okay. okay That's helpful. that's helpful On gross margins, can you talk about what will be normalized gross margins for both the AAON business and BASX in the long term? on gross margins can you talk about what will be normalized gross margins for both the aaon business and basx in the long term
Speaker 2: From a long-term perspective, the AAON side of the business, that mid to high 30s range that we've gotten to in the past, is very much the target that we're driving back towards. There's going to be some good near to mid-term recovery on kind of margin from Q1 of this year throughout this year, and that's given the price cost dynamics I talked about that we have embedded in the backlog. The outsourcing definitely will cause some pressures on a little bit more of an extended basis. We don't necessarily expect to exit the year back at that on the Oklahoma segment, but certainly building momentum back towards that. On the BASX side of the business, the target margin profile that we talk about is more in that 30% range. Really, part of that constraint is just the rate of growth. From a long-term perspective, the AAON side of the business, that mid to high 30s range that we've gotten to in the past, is very much the target that we're driving back towards. from a long-term perspective the aaon side of the business that mid to high 30s range that we've gotten to in the past is very much the target that we're driving back towards There's going to be some good near to mid-term recovery on kind of margin from Q1 of this year throughout this year, and that's given the price cost dynamics I talked about that we have embedded in the backlog. there's going to be some good near to mid-term recovery on kind of margin from q1 of this year throughout this year and that's given the price cost dynamics i talked about that we have embedded in the backlog The outsourcing definitely will cause some pressures on a little bit more of an extended basis. the outsourcing definitely will cause some pressures on a little bit more of an extended basis We don't necessarily expect to exit the year back at that on the Oklahoma segment, but certainly building momentum back towards that. we don't necessarily expect to exit the year back at that on the oklahoma segment but certainly building momentum back towards that On the BASX side of the business, the target margin profile that we talk about is more in that 30% range. on the basx side of the business the target margin profile that we talk about is more in that 30% range Really, part of that constraint is just the rate of growth. really part of that constraint is just the rate of growth The BASX side of the business has doubled last year, doubling this year, it doubled the year before that. That rate of growth has just put some pressure just on the execution of things that is pressuring margins. As we get more of this capacity to have its legs underneath it, there'll definitely be opportunity to make some intentional efforts to keep driving that forward. The BASX side of the business has doubled last year, doubling this year, it doubled the year before that. the basx side of the business has doubled last year doubling this year it doubled the year before that That rate of growth has just put some pressure just on the execution of things that is pressuring margins. that rate of growth has just put some pressure just on the execution of things that is pressuring margins As we get more of this capacity to have its legs underneath it, there'll definitely be opportunity to make some intentional efforts to keep driving that forward. as we get more of this capacity to have its legs underneath it there'll definitely be opportunity to make some intentional efforts to keep driving that forward
Speaker 3: Well, let's shift and talk about data centers. On the last call, you raised your outlook for data centers to $1 billion. Talk about why demand is strong, and then is most of the growth for liquid cooling? Well, let's shift and talk about data centers. well let's shift and talk about data centers On the last call, you raised your outlook for data centers to $1 billion. on the last call you raised your outlook for data centers to $1 billion Talk about why demand is strong, and then is most of the growth for liquid cooling? talk about why demand is strong and then is most of the growth for liquid cooling
Speaker 2: Yeah. At a high level, the demand has been there. The demand certainly didn't materialize over the quarter. We've talked about this really over the last three quarters, and that is, we believe firmly in ensuring that what we sell, we deliver at the quality and delivery schedule that our customers expect. As we rapidly ramp up our facility capacity, it becomes an important balance for us to commit to orders that we can fulfill in the timeframe that we commit to. The Memphis site that we brought online, that was the first really large-scale investment that AAON has ever made from a new facility perspective. I guess you could say 1988, when the company was founded, that might have been the first. Since then, it's all been incremental expansions have been the primary growth driver of the facility expansions at AAON. Yeah. yeah At a high level, the demand has been there. at a high level the demand has been there The demand certainly didn't materialize over the quarter. the demand certainly didn't materialize over the quarter We've talked about this really over the last three quarters, and that is, we believe firmly in ensuring that what we sell, we deliver at the quality and delivery schedule that our customers expect. we've talked about this really over the last three quarters and that is we believe firmly in ensuring that what we sell we deliver at the quality and delivery schedule that our customers expect As we rapidly ramp up our facility capacity, it becomes an important balance for us to commit to orders that we can fulfill in the timeframe that we commit to. as we rapidly ramp up our facility capacity it becomes an important balance for us to commit to orders that we can fulfill in the timeframe that we commit to The Memphis site that we brought online, that was the first really large-scale investment that AAON has ever made from a new facility perspective. the memphis site that we brought online that was the first really large-scale investment that aaon has ever made from a new facility perspective I guess you could say 1988, when the company was founded, that might have been the first. i guess you could say 1988 when the company was founded that might have been the first Since then, it's all been incremental expansions have been the primary growth driver of the facility expansions at AAON. since then it's all been incremental expansions have been the primary growth driver of the facility expansions at aaon Memphis, adding 800,000 square feet under roof, that was the first really big stair step that we've made as an organization. In that, it's very easy to get excited and try to go sell through that capacity. From a discipline standpoint, we've got to have surety of our ramp rate. We've got to make sure that we're bringing on that facility at the quality expectations that we have for ourselves. We have to make sure that we have confidence in the rate of growth that's going to come through there. Three quarters ago, when we talk about why didn't the backlog grow so much in Q3, Q2 of last year, it's because we weren't sure of exactly when that ramp was going to happen, and we wanted to get more runtime underneath it. Memphis, adding 800,000 square feet under roof, that was the first really big stair step that we've made as an organization. memphis adding 800,000 square feet under roof that was the first really big stair step that we've made as an organization In that, it's very easy to get excited and try to go sell through that capacity. in that it's very easy to get excited and try to go sell through that capacity From a discipline standpoint, we've got to have surety of our ramp rate. from a discipline standpoint we've got to have surety of our ramp rate We've got to make sure that we're bringing on that facility at the quality expectations that we have for ourselves. we've got to make sure that we're bringing on that facility at the quality expectations that we have for ourselves We have to make sure that we have confidence in the rate of growth that's going to come through there. we have to make sure that we have confidence in the rate of growth that's going to come through there Three quarters ago, when we talk about why didn't the backlog grow so much in Q3, Q2 of last year, it's because we weren't sure of exactly when that ramp was going to happen, and we wanted to get more runtime underneath it. three quarters ago when we talk about why didn't the backlog grow so much in q3 q2 of last year it's because we weren't sure of exactly when that ramp was going to happen and we wanted to get more runtime underneath it As we got runtime in Q2 and Q3 into Q4, we knew now what we could sell and where that would convert to from a delivery perspective. That's what's allowed us to continue now capturing more and more of that demand. Really, that discipline, even through this growth with all this new production capacity coming online, it is that discipline that we will not stray from to make sure that we don't overcommit our capacity, and we do deliver what we say. What we've seen over the last couple of quarters is really that surety of supply that's allowed us to basically take on some more of these orders. As we got runtime in Q2 and Q3 into Q4, we knew now what we could sell and where that would convert to from a delivery perspective. as we got runtime in q2 and q3 into q4 we knew now what we could sell and where that would convert to from a delivery perspective That's what's allowed us to continue now capturing more and more of that demand. that's what's allowed us to continue now capturing more and more of that demand Really, that discipline, even through this growth with all this new production capacity coming online, it is that discipline that we will not stray from to make sure that we don't overcommit our capacity, and we do deliver what we say. really that discipline even through this growth with all this new production capacity coming online it is that discipline that we will not stray from to make sure that we don't overcommit our capacity and we do deliver what we say What we've seen over the last couple of quarters is really that surety of supply that's allowed us to basically take on some more of these orders. what we've seen over the last couple of quarters is really that surety of supply that's allowed us to basically take on some more of these orders As we continue getting more and more runtime and more and more visibility into how that facility and all of our facilities as a whole are ramping, it'll allow us to continue taking on more and more of those orders. As we continue getting more and more runtime and more and more visibility into how that facility and all of our facilities as a whole are ramping, it'll allow us to continue taking on more and more of those orders. as we continue getting more and more runtime and more and more visibility into how that facility and all of our facilities as a whole are ramping it'll allow us to continue taking on more and more of those orders
Speaker 3: What types of equipment are you mainly selling? Are you selling CDUs, fan walls? Are you selling chillers? Just give people a sense. What types of equipment are you mainly selling? what types of equipment are you mainly selling Are you selling CDUs, fan walls? are you selling cdus fan walls Are you selling chillers? are you selling chillers Just give people a sense. just give people a sense
Speaker 2: It's broad-based, and I think that's the one thing I always in all the AI conversation, all of the liquid cooling conversation, to a certain extent, I feel like people forget that there still is a very large amount of demand for the traditional airside product that we built this business on in the first place. We continue to see very strong demand for the airside product that we've always manufactured. They go into both cloud data centers as well as AI data centers. It's broad-based, and I think that's the one thing I always in all the AI conversation, all of the liquid cooling conversation, to a certain extent, I feel like people forget that there still is a very large amount of demand for the traditional airside product that we built this business on in the first place. it's broad-based and i think that's the one thing i always in all the ai conversation all of the liquid cooling conversation to a certain extent i feel like people forget that there still is a very large amount of demand for the traditional airside product that we built this business on in the first place We continue to see very strong demand for the airside product that we've always manufactured. we continue to see very strong demand for the airside product that we've always manufactured They go into both cloud data centers as well as AI data centers. they go into both cloud data centers as well as ai data centers Even a liquid cool data center, you're still going to have to buy 30%-40% of your capacity via air. You're still seeing that demand basically in the marketplace. The backlog growth that you see in Q1, it's actually relatively even with airside product, chiller product, and liquid cool product, kind of in that order, both for the quarter. Even a liquid cool data center, you're still going to have to buy 30%-40% of your capacity via air. even a liquid cool data center you're still going to have to buy 30%-40% of your capacity via air You're still seeing that demand basically in the marketplace. you're still seeing that demand basically in the marketplace The backlog growth that you see in Q1, it's actually relatively even with airside product, chiller product, and liquid cool product, kind of in that order, both for the quarter. the backlog growth that you see in q1 it's actually relatively even with airside product chiller product and liquid cool product kind of in that order both for the quarter
Speaker 3: Okay. Talk about the outlook for BASX growth the next couple of years. Obviously, '26 is pretty strong, but should we be penciling in like a 40%, 50% CAGR over the next few years? How should we think about it? Okay. okay Talk about the outlook for BASX growth the next couple of years. talk about the outlook for basx growth the next couple of years Obviously, '26 is pretty strong, but should we be penciling in like a 40%, 50% CAGR over the next few years? obviously '26 is pretty strong but should we be penciling in like a 40% 50% cagr over the next few years How should we think about it? how should we think about it
Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to the comment I made earlier, it really comes into how that capacity matures and comes online. When we look at Memphis today, really, maybe let's talk fleet-wide for a second. The Oregon site is relatively close to capacity. There's always a little bit of incremental capacity that we're going to be able to unlock, but Oregon, roughly in that $300 million range, that's what it is. You might see a little bit of growth out of that, but not a lot. Longview, certainly two years ago, a year ago, that was a lot of the growth that we saw as we brought on that new expansion. Yeah, going back to the comment I made earlier, it really comes into how that capacity matures and comes online. yeah going back to the comment i made earlier it really comes into how that capacity matures and comes online When we look at Memphis today, really, maybe let's talk fleet-wide for a second. when we look at memphis today really maybe let's talk fleet-wide for a second The Oregon site is relatively close to capacity. the oregon site is relatively close to capacity There's always a little bit of incremental capacity that we're going to be able to unlock, but Oregon, roughly in that $300 million range, that's what it is. there's always a little bit of incremental capacity that we're going to be able to unlock but oregon roughly in that $300 million range that's what it is You might see a little bit of growth out of that, but not a lot. you might see a little bit of growth out of that but not a lot Longview, certainly two years ago, a year ago, that was a lot of the growth that we saw as we brought on that new expansion. longview certainly two years ago a year ago that was a lot of the growth that we saw as we brought on that new expansion A lot of that Longview capacity coming online has really been some of that more last year of growth that you've seen on liquid cooling products. Even Longview, we haven't turned on all the production lines. A lot of that Longview capacity coming online has really been some of that more last year of growth that you've seen on liquid cooling products. a lot of that longview capacity coming online has really been some of that more last year of growth that you've seen on liquid cooling products Even Longview, we haven't turned on all the production lines. even longview we haven't turned on all the production lines There still are production lines that we can turn on, and there's still ability to run that facility with more shifts. That comes down to that facility continuing to mature. We see that continuing to grow throughout this year into next year, as we continue getting that operation really fine-tuned from an execution standpoint. There's some growth that you're going to see out of that. The biggest single site that's going to be the sort of uptick in capacity and really volume, that is the Memphis site. We're really only running one product through that today. We're doing that very intentionally because it's a brand-new site. We are focused on execution. As we get more runtime within that facility, we have four production lines that are sitting vacant right now. There still are production lines that we can turn on, and there's still ability to run that facility with more shifts. there still are production lines that we can turn on and there's still ability to run that facility with more shifts That comes down to that facility continuing to mature. that comes down to that facility continuing to mature We see that continuing to grow throughout this year into next year, as we continue getting that operation really fine-tuned from an execution standpoint. we see that continuing to grow throughout this year into next year as we continue getting that operation really fine-tuned from an execution standpoint There's some growth that you're going to see out of that. there's some growth that you're going to see out of that The biggest single site that's going to be the sort of uptick in capacity and really volume, that is the Memphis site. the biggest single site that's going to be the sort of uptick in capacity and really volume that is the memphis site We're really only running one product through that today. we're really only running one product through that today We're doing that very intentionally because it's a brand-new site. we're doing that very intentionally because it's a brand-new site We are focused on execution. we are focused on execution As we get more runtime within that facility, we have four production lines that are sitting vacant right now. as we get more runtime within that facility we have four production lines that are sitting vacant right now We've got four production lines that are sitting there ready to basically be turned on, and we will continue turning those on. You'll see some of those turn on towards the end of this year, more into next year. When we look at that ramp, we anticipate seeing basically a decent stair stepping capacity come online at the end of this year, another one next year, and then seeing more of a linear capacity ramp inside the Longview site. The rate of growth, we certainly haven't guided next year, but I would just say that continued strong growth rates, not 100%. You're not going to keep seeing that in the BASX side. Definitely, you're going to see meaningful growth coming through. We've got four production lines that are sitting there ready to basically be turned on, and we will continue turning those on. we've got four production lines that are sitting there ready to basically be turned on and we will continue turning those on You'll see some of those turn on towards the end of this year, more into next year. you'll see some of those turn on towards the end of this year more into next year When we look at that ramp, we anticipate seeing basically a decent stair stepping capacity come online at the end of this year, another one next year, and then seeing more of a linear capacity ramp inside the Longview site. when we look at that ramp we anticipate seeing basically a decent stair stepping capacity come online at the end of this year another one next year and then seeing more of a linear capacity ramp inside the longview site The rate of growth, we certainly haven't guided next year, but I would just say that continued strong growth rates, not 100%. the rate of growth we certainly haven't guided next year but i would just say that continued strong growth rates not 100% You're not going to keep seeing that in the BASX side. you're not going to keep seeing that in the basx side Definitely, you're going to see meaningful growth coming through. definitely you're going to see meaningful growth coming through
Speaker 3: How much data center revenue capacity do you have today? How much data center revenue capacity do you have today? how much data center revenue capacity do you have today
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the BASX side of the business, we have over $2 billion of capacity sitting inside that fleet. Now, I always say it's not a light switch, so it's not like I can just walk in and say, "Here's $2 billion of revenue." We are ramping these new facilities, but inside these new facilities, we know we have at least $2 billion of capacity as a whole from the BASX brand. The big goal, though, is and really the challenge to our operations team is to really quantify how much more than $2 billion exists inside that investment. We were talking earlier, in one of our one-on-ones, discussing cash management and talking about inventory reduction. I joke that Andy looks at inventory reduction from a cash perspective. I look at inventory reduction actually as a lever to get more capacity. Yeah, in the BASX side of the business, we have over $2 billion of capacity sitting inside that fleet. yeah in the basx side of the business we have over $2 billion of capacity sitting inside that fleet Now, I always say it's not a light switch, so it's not like I can just walk in and say, "Here's $2 billion of revenue." We are ramping these new facilities, but inside these new facilities, we know we have at least $2 billion of capacity as a whole from the BASX brand. now i always say it's not a light switch so it's not like i can just walk in and say "here's $2 billion of revenue." we are ramping these new facilities but inside these new facilities we know we have at least $2 billion of capacity as a whole from the basx brand The big goal, though, is and really the challenge to our operations team is to really quantify how much more than $2 billion exists inside that investment. the big goal though is and really the challenge to our operations team is to really quantify how much more than $2 billion exists inside that investment We were talking earlier, in one of our one-on-ones, discussing cash management and talking about inventory reduction. we were talking earlier in one of our one-on-ones discussing cash management and talking about inventory reduction I joke that Andy looks at inventory reduction from a cash perspective. i joke that andy looks at inventory reduction from a cash perspective I look at inventory reduction actually as a lever to get more capacity. i look at inventory reduction actually as a lever to get more capacity I say that because if you walk through a lot of our facilities, or especially our legacy facilities, you see racking all across the production floor. You see a lot of space taken up by storing inventory on our production floor. As we continue to evolve and we really invest heavily in a lean transformation effort inside of our fleet, one of our big objectives there in our lean transformation is actually a reduction in inventory to free up more production space. If I can free up in Tulsa, just one production line in Tulsa, that is a huge amount of incremental revenue capacity that we've just gained with relatively little investment dollars. I say that because if you walk through a lot of our facilities, or especially our legacy facilities, you see racking all across the production floor. i say that because if you walk through a lot of our facilities or especially our legacy facilities you see racking all across the production floor You see a lot of space taken up by storing inventory on our production floor. you see a lot of space taken up by storing inventory on our production floor As we continue to evolve and we really invest heavily in a lean transformation effort inside of our fleet, one of our big objectives there in our lean transformation is actually a reduction in inventory to free up more production space. as we continue to evolve and we really invest heavily in a lean transformation effort inside of our fleet one of our big objectives there in our lean transformation is actually a reduction in inventory to free up more production space If I can free up in Tulsa, just one production line in Tulsa, that is a huge amount of incremental revenue capacity that we've just gained with relatively little investment dollars. if i can free up in tulsa just one production line in tulsa that is a huge amount of incremental revenue capacity that we've just gained with relatively little investment dollars That's a lot of the focus that we have is across all the fleet to say, "Hey, we've got $2 billion that we know on the BASX side of the business." The challenge is, let's figure out how much more. Let's figure out what those rocks are that are in the way of that, and let's make much smaller incremental investments and actually drive as much volume to our existing investments as possible. That's a lot of the focus that we have is across all the fleet to say, "Hey, we've got $2 billion that we know on the BASX side of the business." The challenge is, let's figure out how much more. that's a lot of the focus that we have is across all the fleet to say "hey we've got $2 billion that we know on the basx side of the business." the challenge is let's figure out how much more Let's figure out what those rocks are that are in the way of that, and let's make much smaller incremental investments and actually drive as much volume to our existing investments as possible. let's figure out what those rocks are that are in the way of that and let's make much smaller incremental investments and actually drive as much volume to our existing investments as possible
Speaker 3: Yep. Great. Who would you consider your top competitors for liquid cooling? Yep. yep Great. great Who would you consider your top competitors for liquid cooling? who would you consider your top competitors for liquid cooling
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say out of the gate, if anyone walked through any data center show and walked down an exhibit center, you're going to see CDUs from everybody and their brother. There are CDUs everywhere out there. I always start off by saying, just because everyone makes a CDU doesn't mean we're competing. I mean that the same way I would say it on the AAON rooftop units. We don't go after every type of data center. Yeah, I would say out of the gate, if anyone walked through any data center show and walked down an exhibit center, you're going to see CDUs from everybody and their brother. yeah i would say out of the gate if anyone walked through any data center show and walked down an exhibit center you're going to see cdus from everybody and their brother There are CDUs everywhere out there. there are cdus everywhere out there I always start off by saying, just because everyone makes a CDU doesn't mean we're competing. i always start off by saying just because everyone makes a cdu doesn't mean we're competing I mean that the same way I would say it on the AAON rooftop units. i mean that the same way i would say it on the aaon rooftop units We don't go after every type of data center. we don't go after every type of data center We don't go after every project on a rooftop unit because we know where the value proposition resonates and where it doesn't. When we think about where we go after and what are we focused on from a CDU perspective, we are not focused on selling a 500 kW commoditized CDU. That is not even in the product roadmap. That's not a focus of where we go. We don't go after every project on a rooftop unit because we know where the value proposition resonates and where it doesn't. we don't go after every project on a rooftop unit because we know where the value proposition resonates and where it doesn't When we think about where we go after and what are we focused on from a CDU perspective, we are not focused on selling a 500 kW commoditized CDU. when we think about where we go after and what are we focused on from a cdu perspective we are not focused on selling a 500 kw commoditized cdu That is not even in the product roadmap. that is not even in the product roadmap That's not a focus of where we go. that's not a focus of where we go We're talking about highly customized solutions for hyperscale operators. We're talking about large capacity CDUs, not in the kilowatts, but in the megawatts, in 2, 4, 5, 6 MW CDUs. That tends to be where we focus. In that space, while we may walk through a data center hall and see from a trade show perspective, 100 manufacturers of CDUs, there's only maybe 5 or 10 of those that truly are doing what we're doing inside that space. That's the likes we see to a certain extent, Motivair, we see certainly some on the Modine side of the business, a little bit on the Vertiv side. We certainly see some of the big players kind of in that space. I would also say the vast majority of CDU liquid cooling manufacturers we see, we're not really competing from a product perspective. We're talking about highly customized solutions for hyperscale operators. we're talking about highly customized solutions for hyperscale operators We're talking about large capacity CDUs, not in the kilowatts, but in the megawatts, in 2, 4, 5, 6 MW CDUs. we're talking about large capacity cdus not in the kilowatts but in the megawatts in 2 4 5 6 mw cdus That tends to be where we focus. that tends to be where we focus In that space, while we may walk through a data center hall and see from a trade show perspective, 100 manufacturers of CDUs, there's only maybe 5 or 10 of those that truly are doing what we're doing inside that space. in that space while we may walk through a data center hall and see from a trade show perspective 100 manufacturers of cdus there's only maybe 5 or 10 of those that truly are doing what we're doing inside that space That's the likes we see to a certain extent, Motivair, we see certainly some on the Modine side of the business, a little bit on the Vertiv side. that's the likes we see to a certain extent motivair we see certainly some on the modine side of the business a little bit on the vertiv side We certainly see some of the big players kind of in that space. we certainly see some of the big players kind of in that space I would also say the vast majority of CDU liquid cooling manufacturers we see, we're not really competing from a product perspective. i would also say the vast majority of cdu liquid cooling manufacturers we see we're not really competing from a product perspective
Speaker 3: Got it. All right, let's transition and talk about the ERP implementation. What is the game plan by location, and can you comment on Longview? Is that back to normal operations or not yet? Got it. got it All right, let's transition and talk about the ERP implementation. all right let's transition and talk about the erp implementation What is the game plan by location, and can you comment on Longview? what is the game plan by location and can you comment on longview Is that back to normal operations or not yet? is that back to normal operations or not yet
Speaker 2: At a high level on the ERP side of things, we talked about this. We basically said, "Hey, we're pressing pause on additional sites right now." The reason we're pressing pause is because the rate of growth, we updated guidance from high teens to 40% growth rate this calendar year. That is a market increase in the overall top-line revenue that we're going to push through our facilities. We made the decision to say, we're going to pause kind of scheduling other ERP go lives given that rate of growth. We want operational focus to be on execution, and don't want to add any additional noise into that with additional go-lives. Where we sit today, we're live in Longview, we're live in Memphis. At a high level on the ERP side of things, we talked about this. at a high level on the erp side of things we talked about this We basically said, "Hey, we're pressing pause on additional sites right now." The reason we're pressing pause is because the rate of growth, we updated guidance from high teens to 40% growth rate this calendar year. we basically said "hey we're pressing pause on additional sites right now." the reason we're pressing pause is because the rate of growth we updated guidance from high teens to 40% growth rate this calendar year That is a market increase in the overall top-line revenue that we're going to push through our facilities. that is a market increase in the overall top-line revenue that we're going to push through our facilities We made the decision to say, we're going to pause kind of scheduling other ERP go lives given that rate of growth. we made the decision to say we're going to pause kind of scheduling other erp go lives given that rate of growth We want operational focus to be on execution, and don't want to add any additional noise into that with additional go- lives. we want operational focus to be on execution and don't want to add any additional noise into that with additional go- lives Where we sit today, we're live in Longview, we're live in Memphis. where we sit today we're live in longview we're live in memphis The intended next site would be Oregon, and then after that would be Tulsa, but we really have no date assigned to those next two go-live. The focus is to make sure this system is not only allowing us to run as fast as we want to in Longview and in Memphis, but also to put the additional work in right now, in adding some additional features that weren't part of the additional go-live strategy. If we rewind the clock a few years ago, the whole philosophy was we're going to go live, get all of our sites live, and then add some additional enhancements along the way. What we've actually come to the realization on is those enhancements are actually pretty essential to how we want to operate. The intended next site would be Oregon, and then after that would be Tulsa, but we really have no date assigned to those next two go- live. the intended next site would be oregon and then after that would be tulsa but we really have no date assigned to those next two go- live The focus is to make sure this system is not only allowing us to run as fast as we want to in Longview and in Memphis, but also to put the additional work in right now, in adding some additional features that weren't part of the additional go- live strategy. the focus is to make sure this system is not only allowing us to run as fast as we want to in longview and in memphis but also to put the additional work in right now in adding some additional features that weren't part of the additional go- live strategy If we rewind the clock a few years ago, the whole philosophy was we're going to go live, get all of our sites live, and then add some additional enhancements along the way. if we rewind the clock a few years ago the whole philosophy was we're going to go live get all of our sites live and then add some additional enhancements along the way What we've actually come to the realization on is those enhancements are actually pretty essential to how we want to operate. what we've actually come to the realization on is those enhancements are actually pretty essential to how we want to operate We're going to basically focus on getting some of those additional enhancements in place in Longview and in Memphis, have all that vetted to ensure we're operating properly, and really drive as much velocity through those sites before we even have a conversation on a Longview or on a Tulsa or a Redmond. We're going to basically focus on getting some of those additional enhancements in place in Longview and in Memphis, have all that vetted to ensure we're operating properly, and really drive as much velocity through those sites before we even have a conversation on a Longview or on a Tulsa or a Redmond. we're going to basically focus on getting some of those additional enhancements in place in longview and in memphis have all that vetted to ensure we're operating properly and really drive as much velocity through those sites before we even have a conversation on a longview or on a tulsa or a redmond
Speaker 3: Makes sense. Okay. Let's transition and talk about the rooftop business. What is your price premium today versus your competitors who sell standard equipment? Is that allowing you to take market share if it's a lower premium in the industry? Makes sense. makes sense Okay. okay Let's transition and talk about the rooftop business. let's transition and talk about the rooftop business What is your price premium today versus your competitors who sell standard equipment? what is your price premium today versus your competitors who sell standard equipment Is that allowing you to take market share if it's a lower premium in the industry? is that allowing you to take market share if it's a lower premium in the industry
Speaker 2: I always want to start off by saying there's a range of what we say standard equipment. The reason I say that is when we talk price premium, we're talking to our closest competitor, kind of in that more catalog product. I say that out of the gate to say there are products you can buy for 20%, 30% less than an AAON rooftop, but the feature set is nowhere near the same. I mean, it's an apples-and-oranges conversation. When we talk about this 10-ish% premium that we sit at today, that's relative to, I'll say, a relatively close competitor that still is not doing everything that we do. In that case, we're selling those competitors, or sorry, against those competitors, really around the energy efficiency. I always want to start off by saying there's a range of what we say standard equipment. i always want to start off by saying there's a range of what we say standard equipment The reason I say that is when we talk price premium, we're talking to our closest competitor, kind of in that more catalog product. the reason i say that is when we talk price premium we're talking to our closest competitor kind of in that more catalog product I say that out of the gate to say there are products you can buy for 20%, 30% less than an AAON rooftop, but the feature set is nowhere near the same. i say that out of the gate to say there are products you can buy for 20% 30% less than an aaon rooftop but the feature set is nowhere near the same I mean, it's an apples-and-oranges conversation. i mean it's an apples-and-oranges conversation When we talk about this 10-ish% premium that we sit at today, that's relative to, I'll say, a relatively close competitor that still is not doing everything that we do. when we talk about this 10-ish% premium that we sit at today that's relative to i'll say a relatively close competitor that still is not doing everything that we do In that case, we're selling those competitors, or sorry, against those competitors, really around the energy efficiency. in that case we're selling those competitors or sorry against those competitors really around the energy efficiency We're selling it on the durability and longevity of the cabinet, on the ability to configure more for indoor air quality requirements, as well as just the life cycle of the product as a whole. We kind of do that math to show that that 10% premium for an owner/operator is more than paid for within a relatively short period of time. There definitely is the focus on the value sale, the value proposition, and where we sit today, with that premium, we continue to see our ability to take market share. Obviously, you're seeing that in the numbers. We're selling it on the durability and longevity of the cabinet, on the ability to configure more for indoor air quality requirements, as well as just the life cycle of the product as a whole. we're selling it on the durability and longevity of the cabinet on the ability to configure more for indoor air quality requirements as well as just the life cycle of the product as a whole We kind of do that math to show that that 10% premium for an owner/operator is more than paid for within a relatively short period of time. we kind of do that math to show that that 10% premium for an owner/operator is more than paid for within a relatively short period of time There definitely is the focus on the value sale, the value proposition, and where we sit today, with that premium, we continue to see our ability to take market share. there definitely is the focus on the value sale the value proposition and where we sit today with that premium we continue to see our ability to take market share Obviously, you're seeing that in the numbers. obviously you're seeing that in the numbers
Speaker 3: That's what I would expect, yeah. That's what I would expect, yeah. that's what i would expect yeah
Speaker 2: You're seeing us be able to take that, and that 10% premium certainly is seeming to be a pretty good kind of area. We probably dipped into the 7% for a bit there, and kind of have had some price discipline pushing it back up. You're seeing us be able to take that, and that 10% premium certainly is seeming to be a pretty good kind of area. you're seeing us be able to take that and that 10% premium certainly is seeming to be a pretty good kind of area We probably dipped into the 7% for a bit there, and kind of have had some price discipline pushing it back up. we probably dipped into the 7% for a bit there and kind of have had some price discipline pushing it back up
Speaker 3: Okay. Talk about that Alpha Class cold climate heat pump. What is unique about it, and how is it helping you unlock a national account opportunity? Okay. okay Talk about that Alpha Class cold climate heat pump. talk about that alpha class cold climate heat pump What is unique about it, and how is it helping you unlock a national account opportunity? what is unique about it and how is it helping you unlock a national account opportunity
Speaker 2: The Alpha Class product, out of the gate, it's not just one type of heat pump. The Alpha Class really is a 3-tiered heat pump solution for rooftops. We have the ECO, the PRO, and the EXTREME SERIES inside of the Alpha Class. I always want to clarify that to say the ECO SERIES, that is as close to a traditional heat pump that you buy from a competitor. The Alpha Class ECO SERIES, you're going to get basically a heat pump heating solution down to about 37 degrees Fahrenheit. That's the relatively standard heat pump solution. If I'm delivering a heat pump to, let's just say, a southern Florida market, that's all I need. The Alpha Class product, out of the gate, it's not just one type of heat pump. the alpha class product out of the gate it's not just one type of heat pump The Alpha Class really is a 3-tiered heat pump solution for rooftops. the alpha class really is a 3-tiered heat pump solution for rooftops We have the ECO, the PRO, and the EXTREME SERIES inside of the Alpha Class. we have the eco the pro and the extreme series inside of the alpha class I always want to clarify that to say the ECO SERIES, that is as close to a traditional heat pump that you buy from a competitor. i always want to clarify that to say the eco series that is as close to a traditional heat pump that you buy from a competitor The Alpha Class ECO SERIES, you're going to get basically a heat pump heating solution down to about 37 degrees Fahrenheit. the alpha class eco series you're going to get basically a heat pump heating solution down to about 37 degrees fahrenheit That's the relatively standard heat pump solution. that's the relatively standard heat pump solution If I'm delivering a heat pump to, let's just say, a southern Florida market, that's all I need. if i'm delivering a heat pump to let's just say a southern florida market that's all i need When we move on to the PRO SERIES, the PRO SERIES provides heating down to zero degrees Fahrenheit outdoor ambient temperatures, and the EXTREME SERIES goes all the way to a -20 degrees Fahrenheit heat pump operating condition. It's a platform, basically, of three series of products that provide electric heating inside a heat pump solution. Why that's important for a national account is a national account owner doesn't have all of their sites in one geographic region. A national account owner is talking about geographic diversity across the country. If we want to go in and talk hypothetically to a big box retailer who has sites from the northern border down to the southern border, it doesn't make sense for me to try to sell that customer the EXTREME SERIES product that works in northern climates down in the southern climate. When we move on to the PRO SERIES, the PRO SERIES provides heating down to zero degrees Fahrenheit outdoor ambient temperatures, and the EXTREME SERIES goes all the way to a -20 degrees Fahrenheit heat pump operating condition. when we move on to the pro series the pro series provides heating down to zero degrees fahrenheit outdoor ambient temperatures and the extreme series goes all the way to a -20 degrees fahrenheit heat pump operating condition It's a platform, basically, of three series of products that provide electric heating inside a heat pump solution. it's a platform basically of three series of products that provide electric heating inside a heat pump solution Why that's important for a national account is a national account owner doesn't have all of their sites in one geographic region. why that's important for a national account is a national account owner doesn't have all of their sites in one geographic region A national account owner is talking about geographic diversity across the country. a national account owner is talking about geographic diversity across the country If we want to go in and talk hypothetically to a big box retailer who has sites from the northern border down to the southern border, it doesn't make sense for me to try to sell that customer the EXTREME SERIES product that works in northern climates down in the southern climate. if we want to go in and talk hypothetically to a big box retailer who has sites from the northern border down to the southern border it doesn't make sense for me to try to sell that customer the extreme series product that works in northern climates down in the southern climate It doesn't make any sense from a price point standpoint. Having that full platform of the ECO, PRO and EXTREME SERIES, it allows us to go in there with one of the national account customers and be able to provide a platform that is right-sized for the various geographic regions, that you're optimizing your price efficiency in a southern climate relative to a northern climate, but still getting the benefit of the overall heat pump solution. It's been something we've seen resonate really well with our national accounts. I would also say that the success that we have in national accounts, it's not limited. We're not selling just heat pumps into the national accounts. Our traditional units are also seeing tremendous success in the national accounts. It doesn't make any sense from a price point standpoint. it doesn't make any sense from a price point standpoint Having that full platform of the ECO, PRO and EXTREME SERIES, it allows us to go in there with one of the national account customers and be able to provide a platform that is right-sized for the various geographic regions, that you're optimizing your price efficiency in a southern climate relative to a northern climate, but still getting the benefit of the overall heat pump solution. having that full platform of the eco, pro and extreme series it allows us to go in there with one of the national account customers and be able to provide a platform that is right-sized for the various geographic regions that you're optimizing your price efficiency in a southern climate relative to a northern climate but still getting the benefit of the overall heat pump solution It's been something we've seen resonate really well with our national accounts. it's been something we've seen resonate really well with our national accounts I would also say that the success that we have in national accounts, it's not limited. i would also say that the success that we have in national accounts it's not limited We're not selling just heat pumps into the national accounts. we're not selling just heat pumps into the national accounts Our traditional units are also seeing tremendous success in the national accounts. our traditional units are also seeing tremendous success in the national accounts Yes, we're seeing great benefit of the Alpha Class product helping us get in with national accounts, but by no means are we only winning national accounts because of heat pumps. Yes, we're seeing great benefit of the Alpha Class product helping us get in with national accounts, but by no means are we only winning national accounts because of heat pumps. yes we're seeing great benefit of the alpha class product helping us get in with national accounts but by no means are we only winning national accounts because of heat pumps
Speaker 3: Got it. All right. My next question is a little more open-ended. What investments are you making, excluding the ERP, to help professionalize the business? I feel like that's maybe underappreciated by investors. Maybe Andy can pitch in as well, if he's got some thoughts. Got it. got it All right. all right My next question is a little more open-ended. my next question is a little more open-ended What investments are you making, excluding the ERP, to help professionalize the business? what investments are you making excluding the erp to help professionalize the business I feel like that's maybe underappreciated by investors. i feel like that's maybe underappreciated by investors Maybe Andy can pitch in as well, if he's got some thoughts. maybe andy can pitch in as well if he's got some thoughts
Speaker 2: I'll start at a high level. Andy, you can deeply dive into the finance side. I made the comment earlier that 4.5 years ago, AAON was really a single-site, multi-location company. That's the way it was run, that's the way it operated. 4.5 years ago, at roughly $500, I think, $20 million of revenue, to this year, we're talking about $2 billion of revenue. It's a markedly different company. Much more footprint, much more people inside the organization, much more sophisticated customer. Data center customers have a level of sophistication in buying that is much different than a transactional rooftop unit customer. The business is fundamentally different than it was 4.5, five years ago. The demands on the business, the complexity of operations, everything is markedly different. I'll start at a high level. i'll start at a high level Andy , you can deeply dive into the finance side. andy you can deeply dive into the finance side I made the comment earlier that 4.5 years ago, AAON was really a single-site, multi-location company. i made the comment earlier that 4.5 years ago aaon was really a single-site multi-location company That's the way it was run, that's the way it operated. 4.5 years ago, at roughly $500, I think, $20 million of revenue, to this year, we're talking about $2 billion of revenue. that's the way it was run that's the way it operated 4.5 years ago at roughly $500 i think $20 million of revenue to this year we're talking about $2 billion of revenue It's a markedly different company. it's a markedly different company Much more footprint, much more people inside the organization, much more sophisticated customer. much more footprint much more people inside the organization much more sophisticated customer Data center customers have a level of sophistication in buying that is much different than a transactional rooftop unit customer. data center customers have a level of sophistication in buying that is much different than a transactional rooftop unit customer The business is fundamentally different than it was 4.5 , five years ago. the business is fundamentally different than it was 4.5 five years ago The demands on the business, the complexity of operations, everything is markedly different. the demands on the business the complexity of operations everything is markedly different I've been in this seat, I guess, 12.5 months now, and in that 12.5 months, the real focus has been to not just build this organization to be successful today, but to maintain this momentum that we have and allow us to really succeed five years, 10 years down the road. When we talk about $2 billion this year, and we think about a $3 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion kind of organization, we've got to run it differently. In the last 12 months, we've been very focused on evolving this organization. I would say transform has a little bit of a kind of four-letter word kind of connotation to it, because AAON was tremendously successful. AAON built a great business, and this is a natural evolution. I've been in this seat, I guess, 12.5 months now, and in that 12.5 months, the real focus has been to not just build this organization to be successful today, but to maintain this momentum that we have and allow us to really succeed five years, 10 years down the road. i've been in this seat i guess 12.5 months now and in that 12.5 months the real focus has been to not just build this organization to be successful today but to maintain this momentum that we have and allow us to really succeed five years 10 years down the road When we talk about $2 billion this year, and we think about a $3 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion kind of organization, we've got to run it differently. when we talk about $2 billion this year and we think about a $3 billion $4 billion, $5 billion kind of organization we've got to run it differently In the last 12 months, we've been very focused on evolving this organization. in the last 12 months we've been very focused on evolving this organization I would say transform has a little bit of a kind of four-letter word kind of connotation to it, because AAON was tremendously successful. i would say transform has a little bit of a kind of four-letter word kind of connotation to it because aaon was tremendously successful AAON built a great business, and this is a natural evolution. aaon built a great business and this is a natural evolution It's not something was broken in AAON, it's just the growth and the success that we've had is fundamentally changing the way we need to lead this business. We're evolving the organization to be successful. 12 months ago, we didn't have a supply chain department at AAON. We had a purchasing department at AAON. We bought based on whatever someone told us we needed. We didn't have long-term contracts. We didn't do strategic sourcing. We've built out in the last 12 months from the ground up, a true professional supply chain organization that is unlocking a tremendous amount of value in not just cost savings, but cost avoidance in inflationary markets. Beyond that, we're getting a lot better supply surety. It's not something was broken in AAON, it's just the growth and the success that we've had is fundamentally changing the way we need to lead this business. it's not something was broken in aaon it's just the growth and the success that we've had is fundamentally changing the way we need to lead this business We're evolving the organization to be successful. 12 months ago, we didn't have a supply chain department at AAON. we're evolving the organization to be successful 12 months ago we didn't have a supply chain department at aaon We had a purchasing department at AAON. we had a purchasing department at aaon We bought based on whatever someone told us we needed. we bought based on whatever someone told us we needed We didn't have long-term contracts. we didn't have long-term contracts We didn't do strategic sourcing. we didn't do strategic sourcing We've built out in the last 12 months from the ground up, a true professional supply chain organization that is unlocking a tremendous amount of value in not just cost savings, but cost avoidance in inflationary markets. we've built out in the last 12 months from the ground up a true professional supply chain organization that is unlocking a tremendous amount of value in not just cost savings but cost avoidance in inflationary markets Beyond that, we're getting a lot better supply surety. beyond that we're getting a lot better supply surety We're getting vendor scorecards, and vendor management is getting much more sophisticated so that we know that when I say I need a part, that part's going to show up. On the operations side, we've built out and really rethought the way that we run operations. We've brought in a true focus on lean manufacturing and building best-in-class multi-site manufacturing model. We didn't have, 12 months ago, a robust KPI set for operating a 5-site manufacturing organization. You can't fix what you can't measure. We're getting vendor scorecards, and vendor management is getting much more sophisticated so that we know that when I say I need a part, that part's going to show up. we're getting vendor scorecards and vendor management is getting much more sophisticated so that we know that when i say i need a part that part's going to show up On the operations side, we've built out and really rethought the way that we run operations. on the operations side we've built out and really rethought the way that we run operations We've brought in a true focus on lean manufacturing and building best-in-class multi-site manufacturing model. we've brought in a true focus on lean manufacturing and building best-in-class multi-site manufacturing model We didn't have, 12 months ago, a robust KPI set for operating a 5-site manufacturing organization. we didn't have 12 months ago a robust kpi set for operating a 5-site manufacturing organization You can't fix what you can't measure. you can't fix what you can't measure I mean, a very simple principle. You've got to measure it to be able to fix it and improve it. We've been very disciplined on building out operational discipline and cadence, and really have invested heavily in bringing in top-tier talent to help transform this. Lean manufacturing wasn't a thing that was talked about at AAON 12 months ago. I mean, a very simple principle. i mean a very simple principle You've got to measure it to be able to fix it and improve it. you've got to measure it to be able to fix it and improve it We've been very disciplined on building out operational discipline and cadence, and really have invested heavily in bringing in top-tier talent to help transform this. we've been very disciplined on building out operational discipline and cadence and really have invested heavily in bringing in top-tier talent to help transform this Lean manufacturing wasn't a thing that was talked about at AAON 12 months ago. lean manufacturing wasn't a thing that was talked about at aaon 12 months ago We're seeing on our highest volume line in Tulsa, which is our 30-ton line in Tulsa, we ran through a series of eight Kaizen events over the last, starting back in November. We increased volume 20% on that line and reduced the work on that line just through eight lean initiatives. Just very simple, focused, low-hanging fruit type opportunities. We're driving that throughout the organization and then bringing in finance to then connect all the dots and understand what to focus on to drive the most value. We're seeing on our highest volume line in Tulsa, which is our 30-ton line in Tulsa, we ran through a series of eight Kaizen events over the last, starting back in November. we're seeing on our highest volume line in tulsa which is our 30-ton line in tulsa we ran through a series of eight kaizen events over the last starting back in november We increased volume 20% on that line and reduced the work on that line just through eight lean initiatives. we increased volume 20% on that line and reduced the work on that line just through eight lean initiatives Just very simple, focused, low-hanging fruit type opportunities. just very simple focused low-hanging fruit type opportunities We're driving that throughout the organization and then bringing in finance to then connect all the dots and understand what to focus on to drive the most value. we're driving that throughout the organization and then bringing in finance to then connect all the dots and understand what to focus on to drive the most value
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I would say, I have a background in automotive, industrial. What AAON did in the last decade was incredible, but we are just really scratching on the surface in terms of the efficiency, the optimization. There's a lot to be gained here. Really investing in people, the training, and then the process. That's what I see is the opportunity lie ahead of AAON right now. If you just go back to the story about Matt and I look at inventory maybe a little bit differently, right? Matt is thinking about growth. I'm thinking about maximizing cash, minimizing risk. That kind of complementary views, and now we're investing in people connecting the dots, is where we think that is the next return on investment. Yeah, absolutely. yeah absolutely I would say, I have a background in automotive, industrial. i would say i have a background in automotive industrial What AAON did in the last decade was incredible, but we are just really scratching on the surface in terms of the efficiency, the optimization. what aaon did in the last decade was incredible but we are just really scratching on the surface in terms of the efficiency the optimization There's a lot to be gained here. there's a lot to be gained here Really investing in people, the training, and then the process. really investing in people the training and then the process That's what I see is the opportunity lie ahead of AAON right now. that's what i see is the opportunity lie ahead of aaon right now If you just go back to the story about Matt and I look at inventory maybe a little bit differently, right? if you just go back to the story about matt and i look at inventory maybe a little bit differently right Matt is thinking about growth. matt is thinking about growth I'm thinking about maximizing cash, minimizing risk. i'm thinking about maximizing cash minimizing risk That kind of complementary views, and now we're investing in people connecting the dots, is where we think that is the next return on investment. that kind of complementary views and now we're investing in people connecting the dots is where we think that is the next return on investment
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Well, we're out of time. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it. Fantastic. fantastic Well, we're out of time. well we're out of time Thanks, everyone. thanks everyone Appreciate it. appreciate it
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. thank you